User talk:Shunker

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 * Was the page possibly deleted?  iMatthew //  talk  //  21:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a link to the page, please?  iMatthew //  talk  //  21:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, you don't need to add the template over and over. I watchlisted your talk page, so I'll see when you reply. The first link you gave is to a non-existent page. The second shows in the history that you edited the page, but you were reverted here. You'd have to take it up with the user who reverted you to find out why it was done though.  iMatthew //  talk  //  21:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * All the links were were links to a particular collection (in the case of Cavalcade of America anyway) in our library. Why would someone delete them? We would like to get the word out that we've got scripts for these shows.  How do I contact that person?
 * The other link was Popular culture studies. I typed it wrong.
 * Alright, well your edit was reverted there too, see here. If you'd like to ask him, go to his talk page. It would be "User talk:HISUSERNAME".  iMatthew //  talk  //  23:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * (moved from my talk)

Shunker (talk) 14:27, 19 February 2009 (UTC)shunker
 * I'm wondering why my edit (I added an external link) of the Popular culture studies page was deleted by you. It was a link to a legitimate academic library that specializes in popular culture materials.
 * Also wondering why you deleted my external links on another page Cavalcade of America which were legitimate links to our collection of scripts for this radio show.


 * About your...
 * "...adding external links to my library's web site"Shunker
 * While I'm sure you mean well, your contributions to wikipedia under Shunker, consist entirely of adding external links to http://.bgsu.edu and is considered WP:Spaming. Looking through your contributions as a whole, they all seem to be only adding bgsu.edu. Wikipedia is NOT a "repository of links" Avoid breaching those relevant policies. You're here to improve Wikipedia -- not just to add links to bgsu.edu right?  --Hu12 (talk) 18:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * In response to your assertion that my adding external links is spamming, I do not agree. We are a non-profit institution that exists for our users, internal and external, and if we can lead someone to valuable primary resources in an academic library, I don't think that is spam.  I have seen other external links that link to particular collections in libraries, why are mine any different?  Why is it when I found out that my first two external links had been deleted, the person I asked about it didn't say they thought it was spam?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shunker (talk • contribs) 15:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Herin lies a problem;
 * "We are a non-profit institution that exists for our users..."Shunker
 * Neutrality is an important objective at Wikipedia, Unfortunately the External links policy on Advertising and conflicts of interest states You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked, which is in line with the conflict of interest guidelines. Your contributions to wikipedia under Shunker, consist mainly of adding external links and is considered  WP:Spam. Looking through your contributions as a whole, the majority seem to be external link related only. Spamming is about promoting your own site or a site you love, not always about commercial sites. Links to commercial sites are often appropriate. Links to sites for the purpose of using Wikipedia to promote your site are not. Hope that helps clears up the policy issues. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links to the encyclopedia. See the welcome page to learn more. You're here to improve Wikipedia -- not just to funnel readers off Wikipedia and onto some other site, right?


 * Here are the related rules;


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 * Wikipedia is not a repository for links
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 * Persistent spamming
 * Accounts that appear, based on their edit history, to exist for the sole or primary purpose of promoting a person, company, product, service, or organization in apparent violation of Conflict of interest or anti-spam guidelines.--Hu12 (talk) 18:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

After all of this, I still disagree with this one editor. I realize, as a librarian, that some users (researchers, students, etc.) use Wikipedia as a resource and may not know where to find primary source material. I was merely trying to let people know that we have these incredible primary sources here that they may not find anywhere else and I saw Wikipedia as a step in their research path. If that constitutes spam, then I give up. I will not be using Wikipedia as an option when trying to find out something or recommending it as an option for others. Do other editors feel the same as Hu12? If so, I'd like to see your policies rethought. I was not trying to spam and self-promote. We have resources that people can use. They are not a substitute for Wikipedia. Wikipedia does not have the same kind of information that we have. I'm done. I'm not sure I'm not being picked on for some reason and I'd like to see all of the other links to academic library collections checked as well. I hope someone other than Hu12 answers this call.
 * Please do not use help me for non-help related business. You're using this template to vent, and that isn't what we're here for. Have a great day.  - Jameson L. Tai   talk ♦  guestbook  ♦  contribs  19:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I did not mean to offend, but how do I vent or disagree? If the helpme template is the wrong way to do it, how do I?  I need help with this, because I truly want to do the right thing here.


 * You couldn't find a way to vent on Wikipedia? If you have read the policies and guidelines on Wikipedia, you should abide by these policies and guidelines.  If you want to suggest something, you can take it to WP:VD.  If you have problems with the content of a specific article, you may use the article's talk page to discuss changes, find consensus, and approach improvement with other editor(s).  It seems like you're a new user who is frustrated by your inability to change something on an article, and repeatedly argue with several editors whenever he/she disagrees with you or point you to read something you don't feel like reading.  I suggest you become familiar with how Wikipedia before you request help again.  If you don't know where to find help, on my userpage the top right box should contain the list of Key Wikipedia Policies and Guidelines.  That should be some light bedtime reading you can take on to familiarize yourself.  Once you've completed that, you should be able to find your way around Wikipedia.  Remember that the  template is only for you do get help, not to vent.  If you need guided assistance, I suggest you go on IRC and there are channels where experienced editors may help you or may direct you to someone who can. , .   - Jameson L. Tai   talk  ♦  guestbook  ♦  contribs  23:02, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, remember that editors and administrators are volunteers - just like you - to improve an encyclopedia. We volunteer to improve the encyclopedia, not to be your sponge for you to vent.   - Jameson L. Tai   talk  ♦  guestbook  ♦  contribs  23:06, 23 February 2009 (UTC)