User talk:Shy1alize

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Hello, Shy1alize, and welcome to Wikipedia! My name is Adam and I work with the Wiki Education Foundation; I help support students who are editing as part of a class assignment.

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Margaret Atherton article
Hello, this looks pretty good for a first article - I've just been going through it and making some minor changes and corrections. Few minor thoughts: Otherwise all the best - hope your course goes well. Let me know if any questions or concerns. Blythwood (talk) 11:32, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia articles start with a lead section that explains the subject's significance, so you don't need a heading as the first thing in the article. WP:MOS is the formal explanation of this.
 * For some reason your citations didn't fill out - it's best to use the manual editor and the cite tool for this - this creates a form sheet that you fill out. I've fixed the first four of them as examples so you have something to compare against when fixing the remainder. Citations are annoying on Wikipedia because they do sometimes glitch - to be honest, my advice is clicking the preview button to examine a page and check that the citations have filled out properly before you sign off on it. Also, it's not right to cite Wikipedia articles (because after all, anyone can edit those - even me!) so you link to them and cite real sources written by trustworthy people. (Not me.)
 * It's polite to refer to people by their surname, and Wikipedia follows this rule - see MOS:SURNAME. So I've replaced 'Margaret' with 'Atherton' throughout.
 * I've cut a few obvious statements that feel like padding, like an explanation of what A.B. means. They're not really relevant to this article.
 * My main concern: have these pictures definitely been released into the public domain by their authors? In other words, do you have an email or a link to a webpage written by someone in a position of authority at Amazon and UWM (and possibly the book's publisher) telling you that they have decided to release them into the public domain? If you just downloaded them off the website and you don't have an explicit message from their creators telling you that they're donating the photo to Wikimedia - you can't use them on here. I'm afraid it's that simple.

New Page
Thanks, I think, for helping me out? I feel as if a lot of information was removed. I spent a lot of time searching for information to include. I had some questions: User:Blythwood
 * 1) the images that are on my page I found on google. The profile picture originated from UWM site, and the book cover is all over the internet. Copywriter material I am unable to save onto the computer.
 * 2) if these things are taken so seriously on wikipedia, such as references, image rights, and many others (about 30 in my class) then what is the issue of citing wikipedia?
 * 3) i understand the links in the references, well not really, if they are cited that is what is legally required, right? But what's up with the template? Is that a requirement too? I am not able to edit them because i have no idea what you did? When I attempt it says it is a template?!?

Shy1alize (talk) 07:50, 10 March 2016 (UTC) OK - just typing up an answer now. Will have a reply in a sec... Blythwood (talk) 08:10, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Point by point:

1) In going through the article, I made a few judgements about what to take out. It's my opinion, and you don't have to agree with it. I've never taken a philosophy course for credit in my life. But my instinct is that a few sections were unnecessary since they spelled out things someone reading the article would know, like what an A.B. is. And every academic publishes articles and books and conference papers - it's their job - so there's no real need to say this. It's better to write a short article that gets to the point - which is writing about the career of this person. I hope I didn't cut anything important by mistake and if I did I'm sorry.This is what you wrote if you want to compare and look for anything I cut by mistake. 2) Be really careful with photos. An image is copyright and belongs to the photographer if they say it is. It's up to them. You can download it off a web page - they can't stop you - but it belongs to them and they can sue you if you use it. See this for an excellent explanation of this by one of the world's top nature photographers. This is a real issue, especially for companies - shortly before I was a section editor on it my university's student newspaper was sued for a five-figure sum by someone whose photo they ripped off. They lost. Apart from very old photos and some unusual exceptions like corporate logos (see here for a list - you upload them through that form, not where you uploaded your pictures to), if you haven't been told you can put a photo on Wikipedia, you can't put it on Wikipedia. (Yes, I know everyone copies photos onto their blog. This is because nobody cares since it's free publicity.) If you want to find photos that are available for anyone to use, go to Flickr and in the search window select 'commercial use and mods allowed'. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any of Professor Atherton. Maybe you could email UWM and ask if they are willing to donate the photo - but the article doesn't really need it.

3) It's a convention - in Wikipedia articles, you link to other articles with hyperlinks, you don't cite them.

4) I don't know what you mean by template. Can you tell me what you're trying to do?

All the best. Blythwood (talk) 08:23, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Image upload
Hi, Shy1alize. I see you're having trouble uploading a photo of Margaret Atherton. If you're in contact w/ the owner of the photo's copyright (which may often not be the subject), you can submit their permission to release the photo via this process. It's described in a bit more user friendly terms in our Illustrating Wikipedia handout, but the procedure is the same. Please let me know if you need help with this. Adam (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:49, 11 March 2016 (UTC)