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Hardwickia binata
You set this up as a redirect to itself. I'm not sure where you intended it to redirect to, so I have deleted it and you can start again. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 15:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, what was I thinking... Shyamal (talk) 16:25, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Rishi Valley photographs
Hi Shyamal, For CC licenses do you mean we should put up all photographs on the school website with clear attributions and then port it to wikimedia?Dirachta (talk) 03:46, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * , replied on your talk page. Shyamal (talk) 05:37, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

File:Tabernaemontana by kudayathoor.jpg
Hi Shyamal:

Does Tabernaemontana heyneana and Tabernaemontana alternifolia are synonyms? http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Nag%20Kuda.html says so. Further, Wikipedia has only Tabernaemontana heyneana page and Commons has only Tabernaemontana alternifolia category. But Wikispecies has both species:Tabernaemontana alternifolia and species:Tabernaemontana heyneana. J Kadavoor J e e 16:53, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry J, the situation with plant synonymy is awfully more complicated and there may be situations where some descriptions are considered a synonym while others not - the way authorship and circumscriptions are dealt with is slightly different in plants and I think the best would be to ask a real botanist. My guess is that it is a bit more complex and possibly not easily resolvable. See IPNI which says Tabernaemontana alternifolia. (L.) is a basionym of Ervatamia alternifolia ( L. ) S.M.Almeida but not for Tabernaemontana alternifolia Roxb. The bottom line is that there can be multiple conflicting views...! Shyamal (talk) 02:55, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Shyamal; I made a request at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants. J Kadavoor J e e 04:42, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Category - Birds of Nepal
Hi Shyamal, I am checking IUCN list before adding this category to the article of birds. I use to add this category only to the native species of birds. I am not an expert of bird but also I am doing this so please suggest me whenever I do mistakes. I was thinking like: It would be better to use category: Birds of Asia would be better if a bird found in most of Asian country but somebody in commons suggested me to use lowermost category.... to maintain hierarchy. :p -Krish Dulal (talk) 15:57, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Krish - that bit about the lowest hierarchy category is indeed correct but even on Commons you will notice that the geographic category is different from what we have in the language Wikis. The most appropriate thing with organisms (which do not care about political boundaries) is to use broad geographic boundaries like continent and biogeographic regions rather than political boundaries (such as state, district and so on). At one time there were as many as 150 country categories for species like Arctic Tern leading to routine deletion drives of categories like this and this for example. List of birds of Nepal can actually do with referencing and improvement. The categories on the other hand are mostly not useful. Also note that there is also category related fauna vandalism - mainly to promote breakaway regions and other political ideas. Shyamal (talk) 16:44, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

New ant task force
Hello Shyamal! I see you have edited a lot of ant-related articles, including the FA Ant and Adetomyrma article. You may be interested in the recently created ant task force. Check out the task force's subpage and see if you're able to help out with any of the open tasks (or add new tasks). I've added links to an open access articles about Adetomyrma to this list. I hope you find it or any of the other links useful, cheers, jonkerz ♠talk 21:53, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Will try. Might be useful to try and recruit at http://www.antwiki.org/ - although they would probably want to work on their own project first. Shyamal (talk) 03:54, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * This could be very useful, a single dedicated user can do a lot for the project. Do you know any AntWiki editors? I've visited the site many times, but never edited. You need to be an ant biologists or "more than just an enthusiastic interest in ants" according to their about page. If you send an invite to any of the AW contributors it would be useful to link some of our best content, unfortunately I've been only able to find a single FA (Ant) and no GAs, but that is an area that will improve with time. jonkerz ♠talk 10:43, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe User:Gary Alpert is one of the key people on AntWiki but seeing their experience on Wikipedia I have second thoughts on whether they would warm up to the idea of working here. There are several generalist entomologists (User:Dyanega, User:Notafly) who tend to stick on and contribute over a long duration. Specialists, particularly systematics folks, find it hard to understand the rules of Wikipedia and often end up leaving due to poor initial experiences (see the reverts of Gary Alpert on the ant article history for instance - although it was mostly the addition of links to their own project) or prefer to work in a controlled environment with known colleagues. In some cases they also give up due to disputes (see for example User:Sirolo at Talk:Nothomyrmecia_macrops). Then there are specialist myrmecologists like User:Ameisendok who work on specific aspects like ant navigation but do not have the energy to create/edit on Wikipedia (and we have complaints from folks like User:Collettm). I guess the education project, especially students of User:Agelaia can do the best job here, particularly since they are in a better position to review literature with an open mind and also since a lot of literature has been made easily available through projects like antbase.org / antweb.org (and images too antbase images). I am not on AntWiki either. Shyamal (talk) 13:08, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The editing environment on Wikipedia is very different from the one in academia, mostly in a good way imo. Some of WP's expert retention problem is actually more an experts'-retention-of-Wikipedia problem.. but I guess we need to improve a lot in this area too. Anyway, I agree that assisting education projects may be the best way to expand the wiki; a lot of good articles have been created/expanded by students in the last month alone (e.g. Myrmecocystus mexicanus, Pharaoh ant, Leptothorax acervorum, Army ant), and just giving students a welcome with links to relevant wikiprojects and encourage them to post link to their new articles would help a lot. I'll message User:Agelaia whenever I have time, hopefully soon :) Thanks a lot! jonkerz ♠talk 06:14, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi again! I found a good open access article with a lot of valuable information on the Sri Lankan relict ant's distribution not known to science at the time you wrote the article back in 2009. The article, published in Journal of Threatened Taxa, contains at least a few paragraphs that can be reused on WP and a distribution map that can be extracted. Link:. jonkerz ♠talk 02:13, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That's great to know! Thanks jonkerz! Shyamal (talk) 04:45, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

No references?
The article on B.G.L. Swamy cites appropriate sources for reference. I do not understand the reason for the edit. Kpbolumbu (talk) 13:05, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry User:Kpbolumbu, I reverted some reasonable additions you made although the revert was for deletion of a info template. In any case the article could do with "good references" - citing a few websites or newspaper articles is rather insufficient. I am sure there is good biographical material in some academic resources/ obits (eg Padmanabhan D. 1980 Obituary Prof. B.G.L. Swamy (1918-1980). J. Indian bot. Soc 59. 382-3.) . Shyamal (talk) 13:56, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

picture permission
Hello Mr. Shyamal. My name is Juan Ramírez, I'm from Chile. I am doing a report about the interaction between birds and electric towers. SO one of the chapters is about birds generaly. So I am writing you for asking your permission for using your bill tipes draw. My e-mail is jcblues@gmail.com. Please send me an e-mail with your answer, greetings and thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.20.193.93 (talk) 23:56, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Juan, it is already released for reuse - see https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reusing_content_outside_Wikimedia for usage guidelines. Shyamal (talk) 03:11, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

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Tbx status for Bhutan giant flying squirrel
Hi, Not sure what I am doing wrong. I wanted to update the status of P. nobilis to NT (it was listed as VU). When I change the parameter for status in the taxobox, it generates an error. Could you take a look when you have a moment? prashanthns (talk) 13:07, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * As you can see, it's fixed even while I was typing this apparently. :)prashanthns (talk) 13:09, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Too late, but glad to see that I am dispensable. Shyamal (talk) 13:27, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

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Paragraphs
Re: Looks like section of a book was added. See Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources. Snowman (talk) 10:29, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, needs to be fixed. Old PD content though. We have quite a bit of the 1911 EB too which needs to be worked away slowly. Shyamal (talk) 11:57, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Resource Request
Sorry about that. I forgot to mark that as resolved. Thanks! --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

New section

 * Thanks Shyamal. Learning to do some talking now!

Seshadri.K.S (talk) 13:11, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, and when you post on another talk page you start a new section like ==New subject== Shyamal (talk) 13:15, 21 November 2013 (UTC)


 * nice! Thanks again Seshadri.K.S (talk) 13:27, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

golden gecko
Hi Shyamal, added two plates with actual picture of feet and hand in dorsal and ventral view. Seshadri.K.S (talk) 14:24, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library
Hi Shyamal! Just wanted to let you know that all editors with an interest in libraries, research, open access, or reference assistance are more than welcome to add their profile to the Wikipedia Library page. We want more WP:RX members represented as you are some of our most important allies in helping other editors gain access to reliable sources. It's totally up to you, I just wanted you to know that you're more than welcome there and I'd like to have more editors like you involved. Best, Ocaasit &#124; c 16:30, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I was hoping that more of the folks on that page would help out with reference requests on the WP:RX page but it seems to be a library access grab spree out there. I am of course tremendously interested in library resources (despite having access to few sources) but I rather think some amount of public service rather than personal quest should be considered when doling out access to editors. Shyamal (talk) 02:10, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Edward Yerbury Watson
A little on Edward Yerbury Watson since I was adding some skipper pics.Warm regards Robert Notafly (talk) 20:34, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks good! Shyamal (talk) 12:10, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

First work on insects of India
Dear Shyamal So far as I know this is the first work on the insects of India Epitome of the Insects of India.There are some odd inclusions - butterflies from South America and at least one from Africa.I put a note on the "frontis" explaining one instance (Consul fabius - India in the Joseph Banks collection according to Fabricius).I will see what I can do plate by plate.I think it's worth the time spent.Warm regards Robert aka Notafly (talk) 20:06, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have run through those plates before. Will see if I can find anything to add. Shyamal (talk) 07:41, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

File:White bison by N A Nazeer.jpg
Could you look on this photo and it's uses here, in WP. Recently, it is from Albinism. So I doubt whether my understanding on the subject is wrong. J Kadavoor J e e 02:51, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * the contrast with the white socks shows it is not an albino, also a typical albino will have unpigmented nose and iris - ie pink / red. Shyamal (talk) 07:36, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * So the one on left is not albino? N. A. Nazeer is wrong in this evaluation? J Kadavoor J e e 07:45, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Not an albino. Just a pale individual. Shyamal (talk) 07:48, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow; OK. Unfortunately we promoted it as VI too. What we can do now? Do we have a facility to scientifically evaluate them prior to such promotions. Recently Nazeer contributed a few of his works. J Kadavoor J e e 07:58, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Commons is a tough environment! Today's picture of the day has a caption that is the result of vandalism but even my bringing it to notice seems to fail to work!Shyamal (talk) 13:08, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Power failure; so took time to report it to commons:Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard. Next time, do report to Commons:COM:AN directly. :) J Kadavoor J e e 14:00, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅; thanks. J Kadavoor J e e 14:09, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Damselfly IDs
Are these IDs are correct? I want to upload them to Commons.

Wayanad Bambootail (Caconeura risi) Female?

Sapphire-Eyed Spreadwing (Lestes praemorsus) Female?

ID please? a very small one compared to other spread-wings.

My already transferred files to Commons - Please check them too for any errors.

ID of File:Agriocnemis nana by kadavoor.JPG is doubtful. J Kadavoor J e e 11:55, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Could you run them by David Raju or KA Subramaniam (both are on the same FB group where you have posted some - tag them and they are more likely to respond). I am more of a generalist and cannot help too much here beyond looking up the only major reference (which I guess you too would have seen http://www.ias.ac.in/initiat/sci_ed/lifescape/odonates.html ) . Shyamal (talk) 05:05, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, David already responded to a few of them. J Kadavoor J e e 09:21, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Ants
This edit may have OR problems, but your edit left a partial sentence. I do not know whether your intention was to remove one sentence, two, or something else, so I'm restoring it, and will let you try again.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  11:38, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * - thanks for pointing that out. Fixed now. Shyamal (talk) 16:24, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

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Amur Falcon
Looks like for whatever reason, the female weight used – instead of -. I couldn't find any problems with the template itself. I've fixed the hyphen. Bob the WikipediaN (talk • contribs) 18:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Why didn't I notice that! Thanks a lot. Shyamal (talk) 03:02, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Here you go. Bob the WikipediaN  (talk • contribs) 03:25, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Clearly I am going blind. Shyamal (talk) 16:24, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

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Your possible review calendar
Hello User:Shyamal, Your comment on peer review indicate a possible interest in behavior and related subjects. I have noticed that some of the Psychology articles have not been reviewed in several years. "Major Depressive" has not been reviewed since 2008, for example. Any possible interest? BillMoyers (talk) 11:54, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants
Please check. Happy 2014! J e e 07:58, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Seems to have been fixed. Sorry, was away from the Internet. A very happy new year to you too Shyamal (talk) 09:58, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Not "fixed" in species wiki so far. J e e  10:58, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request
There are filled requests at WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request that perhaps could be archived. Take care. -- Jreferee (talk) 18:15, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * thanks for alerting. Was traveling a bit, but now done. Shyamal (talk) 07:42, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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cephalic process
In the Kalidasa (genus) article, the special usage of the noun "process" needs to be defined, either with a pinpoint link (anchor link) to the article on insect anatomy, to wikitionary, or by using a explanatory footnote. As it stands, the text does not convey the proper meaning, except to a specialist. See MOS:JARGON. You might consider this electronic source,. Right now the insect anatomy article uses the noun "process" half-a-dozen times in this sense of a "projection" without defining it anywhere, it also uses "process" in the more common meaning about an equal number of times. Let me know what you think. (Here's fine.) --Bejnar (talk) 22:56, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that "process" is a bit technical and have rewritten the bit in Kalidasa. I hope someone can fix the wiktionary entry. Shyamal (talk) 03:46, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that reads much better. In Wiktionary this meaning of "process" is now the third definition under noun, marked for biology. I'm not exactly sure what needs fixing there, although it is much less clear than Gordh's definition. Suggestion? --Bejnar (talk) 04:51, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Have added slightly to the wiktionary entry. Shyamal (talk) 07:49, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikitiki89 made it a separate entry under anatomy. --Bejnar (talk) 01:40, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

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Can you write story for the newsletter?
Hello Shyamal, Thank you for your suggestion for the newsletter This Month in GLAM, concerning GLAM/NM. The newsletter is written by volunteers like you and has no team who use the ideas and write a story about it. If it is possible, I would like to ask you to write a short summary of the project so that users, chapters and GLAMs around can learn from it. You can write directly on the page of the country, we will take care of the look and such. The easiest way is to start in the newsroom. Thanks! Greetings - Romaine (talk) 02:03, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I have put up a quick and rough summary at https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/February_2014/Contents/India_report - I guess it should actually be for January though ... let me know if it needs any further work. Shyamal (talk) 04:04, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello Shyamal, It happens regularly that certain subjects are described in an edition a month later, so that is no problem. I will take care of the look and links. The text is fine and needs no further change. If you like, you can of course expand it. Thanks & greetings! Romaine (talk) 05:54, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Ernest Hanbury Hankin
Thank you for your contribution to Ernest Hanbury Hankin. Your expansion to the lede is intriguing. Do you plan to expand on his interest in 'culture and its impact on education'?Verne Equinox (talk) 00:30, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, will add soon. Thanks for creating the article. I have been researching him for a few years now. Shyamal (talk) 02:19, 14 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Nice expansion. Great to see a photo of the man, too! Verne Equinox (talk) 15:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

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The Diligent Librarian Barnstar
Thank you! Burmeister (talk) 13:23, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Insect ref. list
Hi Shyamal:

Do we have a trusted ref. list like platlist for insects? I tried http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi for Abisara bifasciata but didn't get a result initially. Abisara echerius is listed there; but searching further, it lead me to http://data.gbif.org/species/1935357/ where it is listed as a syn. of Abisara echeria Stoll, 1790. There I see Abisara bifasciata Moore, 1877 too; but not a ssp. like Abisara bifasciata suffusa as listed http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/187-abisara/abisara-bifasciata

So I'm confused. Does my https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=629321473771990 is Abisara bifasciata or Abisara echerius? Do we need to rename Abisara echerius to Abisara echeria? J e e 07:28, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Jeevan, the answer to the first question is that there is no single reliable all-species source (although we can consider Krushnamegh's website as a good source to follow for the Indian species alone) and it depends on the species concept being adopted (phylogenetic vs BSC). As far as I can tell A. bifasciata is distinct from A. echerius but it seems like there have been queries on what the northeastern mainland species should be assigned to - and suffusa seems to have been moved around historically. Your FB link did not work but if the picture was taken in southern India, it has to be echerius. Shyamal (talk) 14:28, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks Shyamal. The FB "Butterflies of India" is now a closed group; so the Flickr link. BTW, I contacted Krushnamegh; hope he will reply. J e e  15:38, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

belated thank you
Thanks for the barnstar you gave me the other day. I was happy to help. GabrielF (talk) 21:58, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you
Hello Shyamal,

Thank you for the very useful, very well sequenced talk last weekend and for the links you've shared with us. We'll work towards learning more and contributing to Wikipedia! Rana &#38; Sugandhi (talk) 16:50, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * good to see that you figured out the art of communication. Shyamal (talk) 16:59, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Greater Adjutant
This this is the same text reproduced in the Edinburgh New Philosophical Journal.  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  10:14, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks a ton! Shyamal (talk) 13:12, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

User_talk:Jkadavoor
Hi Shyamal, please try to identify those insects taken by from indonesia. :) J e e  16:39, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

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Bird project
Shyamal

Thanks for adding me to the Birds Wiki project. After your engaging talk on contributing to Wiki a few weeks back, I was really enthused to contribute and I hope to continue.

Warm Regards, Kannan — Preceding unsigned comment added by As kannan (talk • contribs) 13:00, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Restringing
Please see Wikipedia talk:Move review/Log/2014 March. Andrewa (talk) 20:17, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Glyphipterigidae spider mimic
Amazing.Over the years I found many mimics (or models) hiding in collections under assumed names and sometimes overlooked for a hundred years or so. It is a fascinating subject,especially the very complex butterfly mimicry rings found in South America, each subspecies mimicing a different (sometimes very different in appearance) species. I cannot imagine how this was worked out and of course much of it isn't. One problem is that often the mimics outnumber the dangerous models which in the ring or pair should put the models in danger. But appears not to. Talk to you soon Robert Notafly (talk) 20:11, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

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ILN
You left a question on the resource request talk age about the Illustrated London News. I have access, so if you email what you want, I'll send the pdf files back. Cheers. - SchroCat (talk) 15:47, 13 April 2014 (UTC)