User talk:Si.harandi

How can i improve the notability of IICIC company? I mean where to send the documents or news to prove it? about my account i have to tell you that wiki blocked my first account by name User:IICIC and TOLD me to change my account because of some criteria that doesn't let us to write article with the article name account ( i absolutely agree) then i changed it and created User:si.harandi and they block my ip range so si.harandi after i complained it was unblock and i had right to write the article. so i think this is mistake or misunderstanding thanks
 * To change your name is not the same as starting a new account. You should have used the 'spamun' template from the blocking notice, and suggested a new name and if it was acceptable, you would have been told how to get the change done. To prove notability, you don't send documents anywhere. The references must be available in published form so that anyone can access them. Web sites or newspapers or books are the usual ways. These references must be in reliable independent sources WP:RS. This means they cannot be the company site, any blogs or forums, any wikis, anywhere that is social media like Facebook, anything published at places like wordpress or blogspot, anything that is just a mention of the name, anything like PRWire that uses information supplied by the company, any directories, lists or alexa ratings. Good newspaper articles may be OK - the paper must be reputable and have a reasonably wide circulation. The National Enquirer and The Sun are usually not regarded as reliable, and small local newspapers don't count either. Good magazines might do - but not trade papers where the content of the article comes from the company. Peridon (talk) 10:38, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I understand now what is going on, the problem was that i didn't write the hole article in one day, i wanted to write the references a day after the article, i didn't know it might delete because of that criteria. so i'm going to prepare all and then create the page with reliable references. I have questions:

can i create the IICIC company page by this user: si.harandi ?? or i have to do something else?
 * Please sign posts on talk pages with ~ or click the button next to B and I on the pale blue bar above the edit window when you end your post. That puts your signature and the time stamp on. Right. You should really apply for a name change at your other user name, but I'm going to take a short cut here because you misunderstood the instructions.. I'll unblock this account, but you must understand that there is no guarantee that your company will get an article. You can start to get the references and stuff together at User:Si.harandi/DRAFT (just click that red link and save it). That is in your user space, and notability and referencing don't matter for now. You must not write in a promotional way, or copy any text from outside Wikipedia, though. Those are things not allowed anywhere on Wikipedia. Just read WP:CORP, get information about the company, and try to get the references WP:RS. Don't worry about getting it perfect. I'm going to ask a friend to look in and see what she thinks. She is very good at rescuing things, but not everything passes our policies even with Melanie helping. Peridon (talk) 12:23, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your kind and fast help and guidance, i stop to write the article and will ll study more about criteria of Wiki and then i will try to write it. i'm going to change the other user name or remove it. this company has very remarkable effect in business relationship between Iran and west after the sanctions and i think there will be reliable sources to prove it and we will gather them. Thank you so much again Si.harandi (talk) 12:37, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Just leave the other account - I've put a note there explaining the reason for unblocking this account. Peridon (talk) 12:40, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

i sent a request to remove that account or change the username. i won't use that account again. i read your note on that account, thanks Si.harandi (talk) 12:58, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, Peridon, and hello, Si.harandi. I see that you have created the page twice (once as User:IICIC and once as User:Si.harandi) and it has been deleted both times. So here's a warning: don't try to create it as an article again. Because if it gets deleted a third time, the name IICIC is likely to get locked so that no one can create an article about it. If you want to try again, do it as a draft, as Peridon suggested, rather than an article. Just click on the redlink he provided above and create the article there. A draft is not in the main encyclopedia so it won't get immediately deleted; you will have time to improve it and add some references. However, I see two problems. It seems that you have a connection to the company, so you have a conflict of interest; please read WP:COI. Wikipedia discourages people from writing about their own company. The bigger problem is, I suspect the company does not meet the requirements for an article here. The requirements are explained at WP:CORP and more generally at WP:GNG. I have done a quick search for references about this company, and I could not find anything in independent reliable sources. Things like the company's own web page, Facebook, press releases, etc. do not count, because they are not independent. If you can't find some outside coverage about the company, in newspapers or similar sources, then the company will simply not qualify for an article here. But you are free to try, in draft space, if you want. --MelanieN (talk) 22:42, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind help and guidance MelanieN, yes i worked for this company couple times but my intention wasn't promotion or something like this, i just wanted to write it as a company who has effect on Iranian people indirectly by trying to fix the relationship between Iran and West during and after sanctions. After my last writing here i started to find reliable sources to pass the Wikipedia Criteria, but i found out there is a problem and that is IICIC has not suitable sources in English language. you know, this company even have lot's of certificate of appreciation from European government and even presidents (for example Austria) but all the sources of IICIC in net is in Persian Language and in Public News Paper of Iran (the major news paper). so do i have to start to write about article in Persian Language (Definitely as draft at first)? and then if it was OK and confirm by Wiki, i can translate it to English. Si.harandi (talk) 05:30, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, that's an interesting question. We don't require that sources be in English, but it is easier to show notability if at least some of them are. Do you ever write for the Persian Wikipedia? Maybe you could write an article there, and then translate it for this English Wikipedia. The best sources would be the newspaper sources, they carry more weight than things like certificates of appreciation. Again, I suggest using a draft rather than creating an article directly. --MelanieN (talk) 09:10, 8 September 2015 (UTC)