User talk:Siblings CW/DrippingInk Archive

DrippingInk Talk Archive: May 5, 2005–December 30, 2005

Song titles
I'm afraid that I couldn't follow much of your message. With regard to the points that I did understand:
 * 1) Your complaint that I wrote as if I were a computer is absurd, and bears no relation to the facts.
 * 2) Wikipedia style can't be ignored because of editors' personal taste; my point about titles stands.
 * 3) I now realise that your first language isn't English; you should, therefore, be more cautious about interpreting other editors' emotional tone, and about imposing your ideas about typography, etc. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 22:44, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

I still don't what you mean by writing like a computer, but you seem to be saying that you object to being addressed in proper English. My assumption that your first language isn't English was based on the way you write, and wasn't meant to be an insult; it was a natural inference when faced with a message like:
 * "Do not speak to me as if you are a computer. In case you have not noticed, not every article (yes, I'm being honest here) has the word number spelled out. Some do have #. And yes, I now know that I am not to be capitalizing the beginning of a new title. Sometimes I do wish that the "L" in "Links" would be capitalized, though, as it seems highly disturbing not to be. But I learn.
 * "When it comes to song titles, the majority of words are capitalized. Not all, of course, but one certain word is that seems to keep getting spelled lower-cased."
 * I don't understand the last sentence at all, and much of the rest is worded very oddly. Having taught English as a foreign language for many years, it seemed obvious to me that you weren't a native speaker; are you saying that you are? Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 09:31, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Spice up Your Life

 * 1) Despite pretending that you now realised and accepted that articles and preositions shouldn't be capitalised in titles, you've moved the above article to the wrongly-capitalised name.
 * 2) You moved it by cutting and pasting; this isn't allowed, because it fragments the page histories, and disjonts the Talk pages. If you want to move an article to a new name, you have to use the "move" function.  In this case, you can't because you're trying to move the article to an existing article; in such circumstances you have to list the requested move at Requested moves, giving the reason.  You can't, though, because you're trying to change a correctly titled article to an incorrect title, and you have no good reason to give.
 * 3) I've now lost patience with you. If you do anything like this again, including changing correct to incorrect titles in articles, instead of undoing your edits I shall block you from editing. Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 10:27, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

WK: Manual of style Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 13:07, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

1. Not giving a damn about Wikipedia style isn't likely to gain you many friends or supporters here.

2. Of the "hundreds of grammar and spelling books" that you checked, could you name, say, three of them? That way I can check your claim. Feel free to list the hundreds if you prefer, at User talk:Mel Etitis/Hundreds of grammar and spelling books. Here's just one that disagrees, though:
 * "Titles of books, periodical, articles, literary, musical, and artistic works, names of theatres and public buildings should have initial capital letters, except the word and, the definite and indefinite articles, and prepositions making up the title." (Rees, Rules of Printed English)

If you Google ["capital letters"+prepositions+titles], you'll find pretty well universal agreement; the first four entries:, , , and.

3. I'm not interested in your claims about your imaginary friend, especially as you don't say which of the IP addresses you've been using you're referring to. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 14:10, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

4. Could I ask why the hell you are reverting the singles into one section on Avril Lavigne's album if you leave them out on the main article on her second album? What's the point of this?


 * I take it that you're unable to respond adequately to my question about all those hundreds of grammar and spelling books that you have lying around the house.
 * Read No personal attacks and abide by it.
 * When there are four stubs that have no chance of getting bigger, and a shortish article to which they're relevant, it makes sense to merge them with it &mdash; that way there's one decent article instead of one half-decent and four stubs. No information is lost, so what's the problem?  If the other album is in the same condition, I'll go and sort that out too. Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 14:30, 7 May 2005 (UTC)


 * 1) Please remember to sign your messages.
 * 2) I didn't do the other album earlier because I can't do everything at once. I correct what I find. The second album is now done. Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 14:41, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

If you stop slipping in the time-length change with your vandalising, then it will remain. The same goes for any other genuine edits. I am not prepared to go through the articles laboriously correcting your changes from proper style, so I suggest that you make the genuine, non-vandalisng changes, and then leave it. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 15:19, 7 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Repeatedly changing articles from Wikipedia style to your own preference is vandalistic, as is making cut-and-paste moves after being warned not to. I've now alerted other admins to what's going on, as I'm reluctant to block you from editing when I'm involved – however reluctantly – in editing the articles in question. Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 15:27, 7 May 2005 (UTC)


 * This is the first time that you've given any explanation of your changes except that you prefer it that way. Even if you could show that it's Lavigne's (or the record company's) choice, however (and see, for example,, , , , , , and  for sites &amp; people who disagree with you), Wikpedia has its own house style.  Moreover, you haven't only changed this title, but many other titles, in each case turning them from correct to incorrect English. Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 15:46, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

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Blanking
I'm blocking you for 6 hours for blanking Mel Etitis' user page. No matter how much you disagree with someone, blanking someone's userpage is unacceptable and considered vandalism within Wikipedia. Please take the time you're blocked to familiarize yourself with some Wikipedia policies. Once the block has expired, please try to sort out your differences by discussion and try to reach an agreement. Mgm|(talk) 17:46, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

Images
In view of your refusal to provide copyright details for the images on the Spice Girls article, and given that they're not album covers or other material usable under the fair Use assumption (and most look like scans from magazines, etc.), I've placed them on Images and media for deletion, and removed them from the article. If I'm wrong, and they are not copyright violations, you should add the relevant templates and explain at the IfD page.

With regard to your insistence on changing articles from Wikipedia style to fit your personal preference, I shall for the moment simply continue to revert your changes. There will come a point, however, at which I tire of your stubbornnness – and your insults – and I shall then have to take more formal steps to get you to stop. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 08:42, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Hello...
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<<You are right, Sir DrippingInk. :)) You are right. You have encountered unreasonable authority. And you are right, and unreasonable authority is wrong. Nevertheless, how about you and I just let unreasonable authority--together with unreasonable authority's bad grammar, bad spelling, bad vision, bad logic, and blindness to written rules and protocol--just have their day for a few days? :)) I suggest you and I should just let it be for a few days, what do you say? ---Rednblu | Talk 15:59, 7 May 2005 (UTC)>>

So were you perhaps agreeing or disagreeing with me? I'm actually uncertain of which.
 * Good for you! You thought about it, and you asked.  I was agreeing with your position, but I was disagreeing with your tactics.  How are you, my friend?  I like your "handle".  ---Rednblu | Talk 01:40, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

You appear to be quite the perky person. I am doing fine. Is there anyway that I can stop Mel Etitis from changing the articles? DrippingInk 00:50, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Probably not. You have tangled with a bad cop who cannot spell and cannot read.  Are you by any chance from Chicago if you know what I mean?  Let's think of strategies other than strong-arm tactics, can we?  Do you think we could develop a good argument instead? ---Rednblu | Talk 04:24, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

I am not from Chicago but from Toronto. I don't like arguments. Hee. But I just want to. ..
 * Ok. :))  I would agree that you have a noble cause.  But can we find a good and strong logical argument that proves that you are right?  ---Rednblu | Talk 06:32, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Civility
Hello, DrippingInk. I don't fully understand that dispute that you have with Mel Etitis, but comments such as this are not acceptable on Wikipedia. I realize that everyone has subjects about which one is passionate; however, I ask you to treat other users with civility and respect. Also, in case you didn't see my message at User talk:Drippinglnk, please do not blank user pages. There are several venues for dispute resolution if they cannot be resolved through discussion. However, if you continue using this language and vandalizing user pages, it is likely that someone will soon open an arbitration case against you. Sometimes it is difficult to work with people who disagree with you, but these differences are what make Wikipedia strong. Feel free to ask me if you have any questions. &mdash; Knowledge Seeker &#2470; 07:55, 11 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your question, DrippingInk. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about your dispute or the subject matter to properly supply an opinion here. From what I've seen, neither of you are engaging in vandalism, aside from your blanking Mel's user page. If discussion is failing to resolve your dispute, there are several more steps you may pursue at Dispute resolution. If you have questions about them, let me know. Regarding the pictures, where did you get them from? Unless their copyright status is clarified, I believe the will be deleted. I don't fully understand the fair use provisions in copyright law, but I don't believe these images would qualify. We'll see what other, more knowledgeable users think. Finally, I don't believe anyone is cheating, unless there is something I missed. &mdash; Knowledge Seeker &#2470; 03:54, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Image copyvio
Could you also supply the source of Image:Image:Gwen Stefani.jpg please? As it doesn't seem to be a privately taken photograph, its source needs to be given in order that its status as fair use can be assessed. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 11:12, 14 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid that, as I believe has now been explained to you, the "GFDL" template needs to be backed up with some account of the image's source. This isn't just an instance of Cite your sources, because the copyright issue could land Wikipedia with a damaging law-suit (especially as you're telling readers that they have your permission to use the image).  Please give the source of the image, so that it doesn't get proposed for deletion. Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 22:18, 14 May 2005 (UTC)


 * You have today up-loaded Image:Avril MTV.jpg, yet have added a template saying that, though it's presumed to be copyright, "its source has not been determined". How can that be?  If someone else had up-loaded it, that template would be understandable.  Please give details of the image's source, as for Image:Image:Gwen Stefani.jpg. Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 22:30, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Image:Gwen Stefani.jpg
I forgot to add this, for which I apologise. Note, however, that you are not permitted to remove the copvio template from the image, nor to use the image in an article, until the copyvio process has been completed. If you can show that you have permission to use the image, then you need to follow the instructions given in the copyvio text. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 16:34, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

User conduct
Hi DrippingInk. I see you have had some problems with User:Mel Etitis. While it is acceptable to defend yourself, Wikipedia policy states that you should not verbally attack any user; in your case, it would be comments such as this and. There are many different ways of resolving cases, one of which is mediation. However, I must ask you to cease using provocative language such as that I mentioned above. If you do not, someone will eventually open an arbitration case against you, which could possibly result in your being banned from editing Wikipedia. For your own sake, please remain calm in your conversations and act civil. It is often difficult to work with someone who disagrees with you, but there are always solutions which are favorable to both of you. It will be hard to reach these if one user provokes the other. You must try to put aside your annoyance/anger to be able to find a solution to your problems. Of course, if you think you are getting nowhere, it is always acceptable to ask the opinion of a neutral third party. Please do not hesitate to ask me if you have any questions. JMBell° 18:35, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Follow my advice OR ELSE.....
Refer to header, too JMBell° 00:26, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Your message
Thanks for your message. There was something wrong with the header "Spiceworld not as big...", so that the italics were coming out wrongly (and remember that italics don't show up in the contents box), but I've fixed that.

For the images, you need to supply the evidence of permission to use, or give a link to a source that clearly allows Wikipedia to use them. "Fair use" applies to things like CD or DVD covers, but anything on a Web site, scanned from a magazine, or captured from television, etc., is almost certainly not. Also, the bigger the better (within reason). The fan sites, and the CD sites, should have images of CD &amp; DVD covers I'd have thought &mdash; they'd at least fill in the gaps until you've got something else sorted out. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 21:40, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Your second message
Careful &mdash; you were doing so well. Check the Talk page. Your edit wasn't merely adding hyphens, it was removing all the song credits. You're right that the hyphens should go from the other article too (they're not hyphenating anything, and it's not clear that even proper dashes are needed there), but I can only correct what I notice when I notice it. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 21:43, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Images
Well, I've added three cover-images to Spice Girls; the article needs something for the top (I thought that the CD &amp; DVD covers should go in the text where they're mentioned), so the challenge now is to find something appropriate that's either public domain or fair use. If I come across anything, I'll add it. At least the article has a bit of colour again. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 08:15, 16 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I've just looked, and the three images that I placed are still there (there's nothing at the top of the page yet, as I said). Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 21:13, 16 May 2005 (UTC)


 * If I can find something, sure. The trouble is that, aside from album covers, very little on the Web is copyright free.  If you e-mailed one or two of the official sites, explaining that you're a volunteer editor on Wikipedia, and that you needed a photo that was pubic domain, they might supply you with one. Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 22:44, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Re: Fair Use
It looks like Mel Etitis and you have figured out the fair use issues. If you still have any questions, let me know. &mdash; Knowledge Seeker &#2470; 04:48, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Spice Up Your Life
Sorry &mdash; I'd forgotten that it was protected. I've unprotected it now. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 21:31, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Lists
I've moved "Best selling music artists" to "List of best selling music artists". Please make sure that lists are named "List of...". Cheers! Mgm|(talk) 17:24, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

No collaboration on 'the real thing'
Oh yes there is:, , and many other music sites on the web that I can look up if you really want me to (thats an unofficially official site, fan-run but label endorsed). I'm reverting. --Kiand 21:54, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

The Real Thing
Once again, The Real Thing has bass guitar and backing vocals from New Order. I'm reverting again. This has been discussed on the talk page, has been backed up and proven with trustworthy links (NME, MTV, etc). --Kiand 21:50, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I bought it. On iTunes. I don't buy physical media CD's, as they're stupidly overpriced in this country.
 * I've provided numerous references, including one now from Stefani's personal site, presumably maintained by Interscope Records. You refer to an easily misprintable, one-country specific inlay card. They're on the track. --Kiand 22:01, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Spiceworld
I've made the move, but I haven't corrected links to Spiceworld (album) &mdash; could you do those? Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 22:42, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

FAC
I don't see why not, though I shouldn't be of much use &mdash; I've not only never been involved in the FAC process, I've not even read the relevant documents, so I don't know the criteria or anything. Have you looked into all that? I'll go through the article to give it another copy-edit, anyway. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 16:57, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * All right. I'll check the criteria and whatnot. DrippingInk 17:03, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Copy-editing
The sentence read "are currently"; the "are" did everything that the "currently" did, so it was better to simplify it. If the record is broken, then the "are" would need to be changed anyway. (There was similar construction somewhere else, though I can't reme,ber what it was, off-hand.) I looked at the FAC criteria; they're simpler and more straightforward than I'd thought. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; )

Petaholmes
Petaholmes is one of the best editors on the English wikipedia. Please stop your personal attacks. Dave (talk) 17:29, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)


 * Petaholmes' page had an attack signed "64.231.161.245 16:29, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) (DrippingInk)" I assumed that you wrote it without being logged in because it had your name on it and because it was related to the Spice Girls FAC.  I hope you'll accept my apology for the error.  Dave (talk) 20:16, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

Green Dates
Hi William: Thank you for the enhancements to Green Day. You do not need to change the month-day order in dates. July 1 and 1 July will both resolve to the format selected in the user's preferences. You can set your preference at Special:Preferences.&mdash;Theo (Talk) 4 July 2005 11:49 (UTC)


 * As you wish. I just found it an eye-sore previously. Okay then. DrippingInk 4 July 2005 12:38 (UTC)


 * I think that we may have miscommunicated. The appearance of a wikilinked date such a those that you changed depends upon the preference settings of the individual reader.  If you prefer to see month-then-day instead of day-then-month, you can achieve that by setting the appropriate option in your preferences profile.  Changing the sequence in an article is redundant. I hope that this is clearer.&mdash;Theo  (Talk) 4 July 2005 12:55 (UTC)


 * Oh, I understand. My apologies, I guess I read your message incorrectly before. All right, I will do just that in the talk area. Thank you for the information. DrippingInk 4 July 2005 12:59 (UTC)

Please don't regress
I thought that you'd stopped calling any edit with which you didn't agree "vandalising". That's against Wikipedia policy, as it constitutes a personal attack (particularly deprecated in edit summaries). My removal of the text in Love. Angel. Music. Baby. was because it was a combination of fanzine language and obscure English; I couldn't make out what on Earth was being said, otherwise I'd have corrected it. If the single has been released, then it should be given a release date and statistics like the others. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 16:15, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * The text in question:
 * "'Cool' (being hailed the 'successor' of 'Hollaback Girl', and has been put under much pressure to perform as well as its predecessor)"
 * First, the English is wrong &mdash; the tenses are confused. Secondly, it's both vague and emptily obvious:  vague because we're not told who "hails" it and has put it under pressure; empty because that it's the successor of the previous single is a simple fact &mdash; why does that fact need to be "hailed" (not to mention that most singles are surely under pressure to do well, if only from the record company that released them)?
 * The whole paragraph is the sort of fanzine/sem-journalism that fills in space without saying anything. A simple statement that it ahs been released would suffice.
 * In any case, removing it simply doesn't count as vandalism, and to accuse another editor of vandalising is designed only to raise the emotional temperature for no good purpose. --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 07:45, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

What exactly do you think that "hailed" means? And why do you assume that I'm simply making up reasons to object to the passage? What would be the point? --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 18:20, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Yeah
Mel is really something else. It's weird how he's causing all this drama for all these single articles (Mariah, Gwen, Spice Girls, etc), when he doesn't care about the music itself, but is just doing it for bizarre reasons. I hear you, man. He really should stop doing it, and when he keeps doing this, he doesn't help anyone, and hinders the progress of all these articles. Honestly, who writes 4'31"?!? LOL Mel is picking on the people who are writing the Madonna articles too apparentl. He really should use his time more wisely, instead of harrasing and threathening people who are making good articles OmegaWikipedia 16:17, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Leaving aside all the other bluster, and the implication that people should only edit articles about which they have strong views (the reverse could be argued for), note that a survey of 100 CDs taken from my shelves at random showed either 4' 31" or 4' 31 to be the commonest method of indicating track lengths, followed by 4.31 and 4:31. None of them used 4 min 31 sec.  The linking of "minute" and "second" is also contrary to Wikipedia style, and of no obvious value. --Mel Etitis  ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 09:00, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * No you dont have to edit articles only that you like, but I find it a bit intresting that you edit articles that you hate so much so deeply. It looks like a spoiled child eating all the cake even when hes full, because he doesnt want other people to eat it. That's kind of what youre doing. Since we know you hate popular music, what the heck are you listening to? Is it really weird music?

Ive never seen anything with 4' 31''. That is just bizarre. Ive seen 4 min and 31 sec many times before, so if he wants to use that in the articles, hes editing, let him do it and stop picking on him. 11:27, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikilinking dates
Dates are Wikilinked in part for the usual linking reasons, but mainly so that people get the format they have set in their preferences. Otherwise, links should only be used when they're relevant to the article (we don't link every word for which there's an article). When dates consist only of a mnonth and a year, the year is linked if it hasn't been linked in the article before (though some people dislike even that, arguing that years should only linked if they're strictly relevant); the month isn't linked at all (a discussion of July, for example, is rarely relevant to an article on a single). --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 08:51, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

...
Yeah, thats me. Thanks OmegaWikipedia 11:27, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Chart Placings
Hi. Concrening Mariah Carey, We belong together Comprehensive charts. Could you please state a source (if possible) where Carey's single is #2 on the official Canadian singles charts? According to the updated singles chart seen here:Canadian singles chart, Its not even in the top 20! I did not want to change anything until I made sure. Thanks Journalist 19:49, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Question about Canadian charts
Hi, about the Canadian charts, just wondering, should we really be using Much Music? I know the Canadian Billboard charts only use sales and with the bad state of commericial singles in Canada, it may be inaccurate, but how about the Canadian Airplay charts? People from Canada, have told me thats more accurate? Or does Muchmusic play songs based on the Canadian Airplay charts? I just think using Much Music would be a bit off...it would be like using MTV charts for US positions. Thanks for your time.. OmegaWikipedia 18:37, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I think we're on the same page here. Yeah, I heard about the Canadian Charts being messed up. Are you Canadian? Or if you're not, but you understand the Canadian charts well, can you give us some points of reference on when the official Canadian charts got messed up? I mean there still is a Canadian chart, right? But it only counts sales, and we really shouldnt use that with the way charts are right now. Im not sure about using MuchMusic or MuchMore Music. I mean theres nothing wrong with it, but using whatever position is the highest I think might be a bit too liberal? How are the Canadian airplay charts? People from Canada tell me that is the closest thing to an official chart? If you think MuchMusic is more accurate, then maybe we should go for ir, but looking at MuchMore Music also makes things a little complicated too. I dunno, we really should establish some chart standards for Canada. Thanks and let me know what you think OmegaWikipedia 18:35, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey, I moved the Canadian positions to the bottom, because usually when dealing with the peak positions of countries, the US is listed first, followed by the UK, followed by Australia, then Canada, and then everything else. Is that ok? OmegaWikipedia 16:05, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I can understand Avril, because she's Canadian, but that really shold be fixed for Kelly and the Spice Girls. Canada usually comes last. Especially putting the US after Canada...No offense or anything... OmegaWikipedia 16:20, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, its not a big deal, but Canada really should be last (unless its a Canadian artist). Can we change it back for Gwen?

And about the Canadian charts, I dunno, I'm still a little bit uneasy about this. I talked to some Candaians and they said they consider WBT to be at #3 since its apparently that on Canadian airplay? And they said they dont think Much or MuchMore Music is accurate. I dont' have a problem averging the two, but is that what most Canadians do when they try to think of a song's official position? Or is that just your standard that you made to average Much and Much More Music? It just seems like theres a lot of leeway here. But you are the resident Canadian here, so I guess maybe we should try to go by what you think. For the standards, Im asking what you think would be the rules for Canadian charts. Like what year do we stop using Billboard, etc? OmegaWikipedia 19:07, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

AGF
Please stop making accusations against AfD nominators. Assume good faith and all that. --fvw *  01:45, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Bravo!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Mel_Etitis#BRAVO.21.21.21.21.21.21.21.21.21.21.21.21.21.21 --Anittas 17:20, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Removing comments at RfC talk pages
DrippingInk, I have no idea what your relationship to User:Winnermario is. One user removing another user's comments at an RfC is problematic. If you want your comments removed, please log in and remove them yourself. Plus there is no reason to "scream". Civility is more important during an RfC, not less. Thanks. Jkelly 02:00, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

RfC: Pop music issues
See Requests for comment/Pop music issues. --FuriousFreddy 05:26, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Hmm
I think I might just do that. How about you? OmegaWikipedia 19:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Blueberry response
You see DrippingInk, I'm currently attempting to elevate The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask to featured article, but I'm partly hesitant on submitting it to the nomination process; have you seen Hollaback Girl? Some of the objections greatly irritated me. So now I'm unconfident about Majora Mask's future. Since I've been desperately attempting to transform these two articles into featured articles, I'm not quite sure when the blueberry collaboration can bring. Also, I have a very busy December ahead of me. It's only my first year teaching as a science and English teacher, and I require some time for grading and what-not. We can begin soon though, I promise. &mdash;Hollow Wilerding 17:28, 3 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Majora's Mask has improved considerably since you started editing it; I admire your... admiration towards the article. Anyway, don't worry, I'm going to be having a busy Christmastime too, since my contract with the gallery has finally expired. Of course, no industry expert has yet to categorize my art as "high profile".


 * Anyway, taking a look at blueberry, I think we should document its trade in the past millennium, and perhaps include its most well-known recipes. What about you?


 * Oh, and I'll vote for Hollaback Girl again. It has already met featured article status, believe me. The users who are objecting are just complaining, except for that one named Tsavage. He appears to know what he is talking about. --DrippingInk 01:07, 4 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Your response to the peer review was resourceful. I will attempt to find a reliable reference. Also, just to let you know, I think you ought to archive your talk page. It is becoming rather large. &mdash;Hollow Wilerding 02:21, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

What You Waiting For?
It's a well suggested idea. Perhaps I will, considering Rich Girl doesn't happen to be one of my favourite Stefani singles. Also, remember our collaboration on blueberry. &mdash;Hollow Wilerding 21:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Took you long enough to reply. :P &mdash;Hollow Wilerding 22:48, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


 * 'Twas busy with the gallery. As a matter of fact, I'm going to be leaving again now. You see, some executives are coming around and want to have a second tour of my show. Pesky waste of time I say; if one doesn't like it the first time, don't return! Of course I complied, though. --DrippingInk 22:51, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


 * All right, make sure you have fun! &mdash;Hollow Wilerding 22:53, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians who listen to Gwen Stefani
Bravo! Bravo! &mdash;Hollow Wilerding. . . (talk) 00:53, 30 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Absolutely! I'll see you later, then. &mdash;Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 00:56, 30 December 2005 (UTC)