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Thank you for this- I really, really appreciate it!SiefkinDR (talk) 13:58, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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Names for colours
In what way is it irrelevant to write about different names for the same colour used in the English language?

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 * As suggested by User:Iselilja, I nominate as Editor of the Week. A veteran editor who has contributed with a major re-write of the Napoleon III article and contributions to the articles about the major colors (as well as many minor colors). Block-free work primarily on content with interests that vary from fountains to gardens, from France to Russia. He has worked on many, many articles (listed on his user page) and has autopatroller and reviewer rights. Editor of the Week was created to recognize under-appreciated content contributors, and Editor SiefkinDR certainly meets that description.

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Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 21:40, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Paris
Thanks for your thanks, SiefkinDR, but simply enjoying a stroll thru Paris in your footsteps... with my pockets filled with accents & cédilles: an enjoyable pastime:)--Blue Indigo (talk) 20:14, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

\Crillon vs French Navy ==

Bonjour!

Thank you for pointing out to me my - you're so kind & diplomatic :) - *small* mistake and, by doing so, probably avoiding an incident diplomatique between the concierges of the Hôtel de Crillon and Hôtel de la Marine, and the CEO of the Bal des Débutantes. Mistake corrected. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paris&diff=615670633&oldid=615595849

Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 09:02, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Department of Egyptian Antiquities of the Louvre
Hi, you might be interested in expanding this.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:43, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Paris
Bonjour SiefkinDR! Thanks for your thanks. --Blue Indigo (talk) 10:37, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


 * The last two paragraphs of Middle Ages & Renaissance section
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris#Middle_Ages_and_the_Renaissance
 * having to do with reign of Louis XIV, should we not add something to title of section as Louix XIV was not a Renaissance king, the last one being Henri IV.
 * Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 14:51, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for doing it. --Blue Indigo (talk) 20:53, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

FYI: formatting repeated citations
Hi SiefkinDR. FYI: Here's how to format repeated citations in an article. Warm regards, M2545 (talk) 11:42, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Paris Timeline
Could not resist... --Blue Indigo (talk) 00:34, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

cupcakes 4 u
- M2545 (talk) 18:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Red
I see that you deleted fire and beauty as common associations with the color red due to not being in a specific survey. However, these are still very common associations (especially fire) as stated in the citations I provided. Therefore, I personally believe they are worthy of mention and should not be excluded from the article. One survey isn't enough to determine the common associations of the color. [[User:Andros 1337| <span style="font-family : ine of Paris: 15th thru 17th century ==

Dear Siefkin!

Considering its length, should not the 17th century have its own section, thus leaving 15th & 16th together?

Regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 11:48, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Siefkin, please go to my talk page for comment on your msg.
 * OK for your plans on centuries
 * Regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 18:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Paris: 17th century
Bonjour Siefkin - As you must have noticed, I followed your steps in 17th century Paris & have not gone any further - not much time.

It is a good idea to have sections for the 17th century; however, by dividing it between Louis XIII & Louis XIV, you skipped Henri IV who "owns" it until the day of his assassination on 14 May 1610. Moreover, projects undertaken by the 8-year old king Louis XIII & his mother immediately after the death of Henri IV were Henri IV's projects being continued.

Keep up the good work!

Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 21:26, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Age of Louis XIV
Dear Blue Indigo, Thanks for your very helpful edits and ideas. I would like to include Henry IV in the 17th C. but also keep the centuries intact, rather than organizing by reign; let me think about that one.

One question about the age of Louis XIV when his father died;  he was born on 5 September 1638 and his father died on 14 May 1643- doesn't that make him four years old rather than five years old when his father died?

Please keep up your good work!

SiefkinDR (talk) 18:01, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Dear Siefkin,
 * Born on 5 September 1638, Louis le petit, futur Louis le Grand, would have been five years old on 5 September 1643...
 * which means that,on 14 May 1643, the day his father died (Le Roi est mort),
 * L. XIV, the new king (Vive le Roi) was 4 years, 8 months & 9 days,
 * which means that you are correct,
 * and second time that you catch me.
 * You're sharp!


 * Henri Quatre has one foot in the 16th century & the other in the 17th, and he has so much importance in French history:  first Bourbon king, he had to fight for the throne, put an end to the French civil wars on religion, and he was a great urbanist who would have transformed Paris & done a lot for the rest of the country. In other words, he was a very modern man. I am sure you'll come up with the right answer.


 * As for L. XIII, born on 27 September 1601, he was going to be nine on his birthday following the assassination (14.May 1610) of his father,
 * at which time he was 8 years, 7 months & 17 days.
 * Correct?.
 * The reason I am bringing up L.XIII's age at death of his father is because he was still very young & works done in Paris at beginning of his reign, Place Royale, Île Saint-Louis, for instance, were simply the continuation (undertaken by his mother) of his father's wide urbanisation projects in the capital, not to mention the rest of France.


 * Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 19:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Paris... suite...
Oops! Noticing you are working on it, so will stay away... Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 08:58, 17 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Siefkin,
 * If you care to use it, here is a great miniature enluminée, by Jean Fouquet, of the burning at the stake of the Amauriciens:
 * https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amaury_de_Chartres#mediaviewer/File:Supplice_des_Amauriciens.jpg.
 * It shows how close the event took place outside the wall of Paris, and that king Philippe II was in attendance (!)


 * Maybe this should be put on Timeline of Paris talkpage. Please do it if you think it proper.


 * Bonne journée! --Blue Indigo (talk) 12:33, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

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disappeared. Here is a subject for you! Métiers that dated back to the Middle Ages & still existed not long ago. Glad you decided to turn your attention to so many Paris subjects.


 * Blue Indigo? Because I love that color. Will go to your article on blue & see what I can learn there.


 * Cordialement,--Blue Indigo (talk) 18:58, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

efkin: I am having a problem with this:
 * The tower of Jean sans-Peur was never meant to stand alone; it was attached to a larger building, the grand corps of the Hôtel de Bourgogne, and served as main stairway, as well as a secure residential building. 'In this it was similar to, though smaller than, another medieval tower of the period, the massive tower of the Chateau of Versailles.'

Having a hard time figuring out where the massive medieval tower is at Versailles. I believe you meant that of another château or fortress. The Louvre? Vincennes?

--Blue Indigo (talk) 19:08, 20 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, you're right of course. I meant to say Vincennes.  Best regards. SiefkinDR (talk) 20:07, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

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Gothic architecture
Hi SiefkinDR, I am Amandajm. I want to explain my recent deletion, and also my immediate intentions

I am an elderly female retired college lecturer etc. You might wonder whether gender is relevant in this context. Believe me, it is. I almost entirely ceased contributing because of the ongoing harrassment of females on Wikipedia. .Since late 2014, when I went on sabbatical, a much younger female became so incensed she took her complaints to the BBC! Anyway, this explains why I haven't been around and doing the regular maintenance that I used to do.

I was alerted to the fact that there was a problem with theintroduction to the article Gothic archtecture by the fact that a serious error was regularly appearing in the You Tube articles posted by architectural students. They kept listing the defining features of Gothic architecture as the flying buttress and the ribbed vault. So I looked, and discovered that the intro had been considerably changed and that the pointed arch had slipped down the paragraph so that it was mentiond as "also the pointed arch". No. Primarily the pointed arch.

Hence, yesterday, I was sufficiently cross to delete the paragraph. Your present rewrite is an improvement.

However, all the simple information has slipped right down to near the bottom, in place of a very detailed description of the development of Gothic architecture in France, and with all the illustrations being of French builings. The information that you have included is all good, but all very detailed and all very one sided. Moreove, all the same information is included in the article to which you have contributed on French Gothic. It isn't required in that ammount of detail, in two places. Moreover, while I haven't read the entire addition, your illlustrations (and I presume the content) ignores the developments taking place in England at Durham, Wells and other places.

I am saying this because I intend to reorganise the sections. moving some of the more basic conceptual stuff back up to the top, and including your architectural ivisions in a simpler, but more universal form, leaving a link to the article to French gothic, which is now something more the way it should be. It will take a while to do this. Pleas dont be offended. Simplicity is of the essence with these major, generic articles. I also have to say I have a terrible keyboard, and poor eyesight. Lots of typos.

Amandajm (talk) 18:18, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Hullo! Thank you for your message.  You have certainly been busy! I am glad to see that someone has been working so hard.  on so many architecture articles.
 * Seeing the fire at Notre Dame must have been a very distressing experience, particularly as it took some time to ascertain that most of the vault had remained intact and protected the interior.
 * Amandajm (talk) 16:34, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

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Gothic architecture
You are aware that I am working hard on that article.

When you decided to work on English Gothic, I made suggestions on the TALK PAGE.

Now in this particular instance, you went to a section where you saw that I had left material, and a note to myself to incorporate Sens Cathedral into the text. I will get around to it in good time.

Meanwhile, I am very happy to receive suggestions.

I will be straight with you:


 * If I had not observed that absolutely essential information had been removed by your efforts, then I would not be working on it now.
 * And I am going o say again that the reason I observed there was a problem was because students were getting there assignments wrong.

Now whether back in the 1100s, Sens predated St DEnis by a year or two, or it was the other way around, and this is a matter of speculation..... THIS might have references to support it, but it is 'not the singularly most important fact about Gothic architecture on the whole.


 * It is a less important fact than knowing that a  pointed arch means a building is Gothic, not Romanesque.
 * And I am talking here to somebody who put a picture of the highly Decorated lady Chapel at Lichfield and the spire at Salisbury both into the Early English section.
 * I don't want to have to keep rubbing this in, but what I am going to tell you is read, and look, and read and look.

Because without the looking all you know is History. THat is simply not enough for an Architectural Historian.

You have an interesting fact about the comparative dates of two buildings.

I have a head-full of information and a dozen book-sources that I am trying to co-ordinate into an article that will serve hundreds of students, and people who want to understand the topic.
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Has anyone told you that there does not need to be hyperlink every time the name of a Wikipedia article appears in Wikipedia text? There shouldn't be more than one link to the same article in any one page. 19:16, 18 May 2020 (UTC) Another point is that galleries work best if the images all either portrait of landscape. That way it's easier to increase the size where necessary, though in most cases they should be the default size so they can resize properly. There is a difference between and ; multiple images do not resize at all on different windows, whereas the actual gallery template can do so. GPinkerton (talk) 20:00, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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Hello SiefkinDR, I've enjoyed collaborating on the article on Flamboyant this month. Although I'm an expert on the subject matter, I'm only a novice when it comes to Wikipedia editing. Do you know what more would need to be done to get it to "Good Article" status? Is it developed sufficiently to request peer review at this point? Cheers, 208.104.49.81 (talk) 01:18, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Not really - I've removed your tag as premature. There are still lots of tags, unreferenced secions, & the references used are mostly not the best. Johnbod (talk) 17:02, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear Johnbod, Thank you for your constructive feedback. I only contributed to some sections of the article, but I could help improve others in collaboration with fellow editors. I typically cite only peer-reviewed scholarly journals or books published by university or academic presses that I acquired while earning my doctorate in this field. Is there any way for more experienced editors to leave a "to-do" list that might help this article approach "Good Article" status? Thank you, 208.104.49.81 (talk) 22:33, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Your additions are very welcome, but much of the article still lacks the minimum of 1 ref per para. The tags (many of which seem rather silly to me - and requiring a link rather than anything else) represent a sort of to-do list. The refs used are a very mixed bunch frankily; the weaker onesa should be upgraded. Sort these issues out before PR - this often doesn't get much input & takes a while, so you don't want to waste your shot on the glaringly obvious. I expect a lot of it would be improved by a rewrite using your refs. Johnbod (talk) 23:23, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I agree very much with what Johnbod says here. At the same time, I also urge you to remember what the Wikipedia Manual of Style says. " Wikipedia is not a textbook...."Texts should be written for everyday readers, not just for academics. Article titles should reflect common usage, not academic terminology, whenever possible. Academic language in the text should be explained in lay terms." Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 20:22, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There is a separate Simple English Wikipedia, so it is also necessary not to over-do it. WP:NOTTEXTBOOK reads to me as though the terminology is appropriate where not used for didactic purposes: "Introductory language in the lead (and sometimes the initial sections) of the article should be written in plain terms and concepts that can be understood by any literate reader of Wikipedia without any knowledge in the given field before advancing to more detailed explanations of the topic."
 * PR can at least be a test bed for that - the reviewers are mostly unlikely to be specialists & will say if they find the terminology difficult or unclear. Johnbod (talk) 01:16, 29 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't have any disagreement with Johnbod on that. You don't have to write in simple English, just clear English. Keep up your good work!  Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 09:41, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

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Consolidating "Towers and Spires,", "Height" and "Vertical Emphasis"
I would like to combine the sections "Towers and Spires", "Height" and "Vertical Emphasis" since they cover much of the same territory. Interior height can be dealt with in the section on elevations. Comments and suggestions of course welcome. Cordially,SiefkinDR (talk)

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Hi Siefkin - please use the Template:Cite_book template when adding to the bibliography. It makes things much easier. If you use the visual editor you can generate them automatically using the html, the doi, or the ISBN. GPinkerton (talk) 18:01, 24 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you- I didn't know about that. Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 18:23, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

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What is the correct year of Brisac, Catherine Le Vitrail? Short footnotes have it as 1985, bibliography as 1994, and ISBN links to 2000 edition. Please clarify. Thanks, Renata (talk) 03:59, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * You've written this on your own talkpage, so it's good I've seen this. I added the ç, because my (English language) spell-checker shows the c form as incorrect. The Oxford English Dictionary I'm looking at (2nd ed., online) lists the word as façade, n.: a. The face or front of a building towards a street or other open place, esp. the principal front. Also attributive or as adj., of an architectural design concerned with elegance, etc., in the façade of a building alone. It also lists façadism n. the practice or principle of designing a building with elegance only in the façade. It supplies a number of quotations indicating usage from 1656 onwards. Only the 17th-century instance is spelt without the cedilla. Feel free to change them back though. GPinkerton (talk) 18:00, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

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I revised the first sentence giving the dates of the period to comply with the Wikipedia manual of style. Technical terms should not be used in the first sentence of the lead. The reader should not have to go to two links to understand the very first sentence of the article. Thanks for your understanding. Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 16:06, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I have responded on the article talk page. Middle Ages is not a technical term. Thanks for your understanding. GPinkerton (talk) 16:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

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Hello! Tell me why the list of 77 items, and not, say, 100? And where did you find a source for this list, the link given in the list to The Art Newspaper magazine lists only the 10 most visited museums?

I'm interested because I want to translate the list into Russian, but the Russian Wikipedia is likely to remove it without a source. JukoFF (talk) 21:17, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hello SiefkinDR. For all your edits on Strasbourg Cathedral, you seem to be over-relying on a single book. Its thesis that the north tower was finished in 1490 (and not in 1439) is not supported by the Cathedral Foundation: https://www.oeuvre-notre-dame.org/web/ond/cathedrale-de-strasbourg/histoire-cathedrale/grandes-etapes/1419-1439-achevement-fleche. You also do not take into account the chronology of architects that is already in the article, and well sourced at that. Please do not rely solely on that single author!--Edelseider (talk) 17:25, 28 January 2021 (UTC) I've tried to find a compromise here between your version and the previous version. Alain Villes is a serious author, but so is Roland Recht; and Recht is a major figure of Strasbourg academia, which Villes is not.--Edelseider (talk) 17:38, 28 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comment. I certainly would like to see different sources, and appreciate your ideas and input. My goal is to expand the article with more complete sections on the interior and exterior features. and galleries of images for each part, comparable to the other articles on major cathedrals. Please jump in and Let me know if I get something wrong. Cordially SiefkinDR (talk) 18:20, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I absolutely will! About the architects, it is better to keep their German names (Claus von Lohre instead of Claus de Lohre, for instance) because nobody spoke French in Strasbourg at that time. All the best, --Edelseider (talk) 19:03, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

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Île Saint-Louis
I have again reduced the excessive picture sizes in Île Saint-Louis (and fixed some other mistakes). You chosen sizes were so big, that it took over the whole article, even on my desktop. In fact, those sizes would be unmanageable for people using smaller screens, like smartphones etc.. There is a reason for the standard thumb size. Everybody is still able to double click on those thumbs to see the full picture. The Banner talk 13:54, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I guess you completely missed the point about the pictures sizes. So, I have to do it again. Have mercy with people with small screens. The Banner  talk 12:01, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The images you've put in are much too small, and look terrible You can't see any detail without enlarging them.  200px is the standard size for images in architecture and Paris articles, and has been for years. Please look at Notre-Dame de Paris and Chartres Cathedral. And please don't change them![. I don't think architecture articles should are written for those who have the smallest possible screens. One size does not fit all.  (talk) 13:46, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * So you plain do not care about people with smaller sized articles? Even when the excessive big pictures take over their full screen and a bit more? Very user friendly... The Banner  talk 14:14, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Of course I do, but what is "excessively big"? This size gallery is very commonly used, particularly for architecture articles. Why not compromise and accept the size used in the other cathedral articles, such as Notre-Dame de Paris and Chartres? And why not fit the shape of the box to the shape of the image as other articles do?  Why put vertical and horizontal images in square boxes? It's a waste of space. There's room to compromise on this. Please make a suggestion. Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 14:35, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Have you ever tried to look up an article on a normal phone? And the norm should be that everybody can read a Wikipedia article. Not a select group. The Banner  talk 14:40, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I admit I have not consulted Wikipedia on a telephone. I'm sure it works well for looking up facts, but for appreciating art or architecture I think you need a bigger screen.  Reading an architecture article on a phone seems to me like watching "Raiders of the Lost Ark" on I-phone. Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 15:10, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * And because you never tried it, you decide to exclude everyone who uses a device with a small screen or poor eyesight. I think you are the one missing something. The Banner  talk 15:52, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I looked at packed galleries, those of Chartres Cathedral, on my wife's phone, which is not a fancy one, and I didn't have difficulty seeing the images. They didn't explode or look strange.

The main problems I have with your galleries is the size of the images; they are very hard to see; much smaller than in other articles on similar topics, and they have a lot of white space  I think a major contributing factor is your placement of horizontal and vertical images into square boxes,  which wastes a of space, and makes the images even smaller and harder to see. If you don't want to use packed galleries, it's very simple to put the vertical images into vertical boxes, and horizontal ones into horizontal boxes; it doesn't take up any additional space, and it looks much better.

I'm sure we can get this articles, and others, into a form the satisfies both of us. We were working on a common project, and we'll be doing this for a long time. THEre are a lot of articles to do. Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 09:28, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

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I have issues with your work, but despite that I really don't think there's a better person I could work with on the Palace of Versailles than you. So I want to propose a collaboration on Versailles all the way to FAC, which is my ambition. I lack, however, subject matter expertise, French fluency, and access to (printed) French-language sources. Based on my observation of your work for the last 2-3 years, I think you have all three of those in spades. What do you think? Let's work out a productive and efficient method for combining the fruit of both of our sandboxes. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  19:27, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

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I've just finished reading Paris in the 18th Century: the work you've done there is amazing, down to explaining the context of city developments (something sorely lacking from most 'historical' publications on the subject).

The next time you're in the area, be sure to let me know. Again, bravo!

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Museum Index Comment
Thanks for finding more current figures for some of the Asian museums in the most-visited museum list. That will be as great improvement.

In answer to your questions I used the ranking for the top twenty museums as it was given in the current TEA-AECOM theme index, then filled in the others from the regional TEA-AECOM, Art Newspaper and some national sources. The rankings in the TEA-AECOM and Art Newspaper list are sometimes inconsistent, and there are some contradictions within the different parts of the TEA-AECOM list, but nothing major.

I think the list should only include 2020 figures, now that we have most of them. Don't see any reason to keep 2019 figures, particularly since we should start getting 2021 figures in the new few months.

I think your idea of putting them in rank order is good. The Art Newspaper and TEA-AECOM put some of their figures in the older order, more for nostalgia, I think. I also agree with the idea of a cutoff number of 500,000 should work. It may cut out a few big museums that have had hard times,  like the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, but that should be corrected soon in the list for 2021, as all the museums had higher attendance this year.

I took out Mevlana Museum again because the Wikipedia article about the museum makes it clear to me it is a mausoleum and religious shrine, attracting a huge number of pilgrims but not having a normal museum collection or exhibits, But I was pretty sure you would put it back.

Keeping up these lists is an endless labor, isn't it. A few month from now, we have to start all over. Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 13:39, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

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 * I do have source- I will add it. Thanks for checking. SiefkinDR (talk) 19:59, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

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Hello! Are you still interested in Art Deco?
I am working on an article on Wolfgang Hoffmann, a pioneer of Art Deco in the US who fell into obscurity largely due to WWII and to his father, Josef Hoffmann, and ex-wife Pola Stout. If you are still interested I would like your opinion. Cheers! Shir-El too  16:37, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm always interested in deco, and am not familiar with Wolfgang Hoffmann. Have you posted any part of the article?  I'd be interested in seeing what you've found. And just out of curiosity, what part of Southern California are you from? I grew up in Glendale.  Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 19:14, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


 * It's in my sandbox: Are you able to view it there or must it be submitted first? I was born in Pasadena and grew up in Hollywood, moving to Israel in 1965. NB we lived in the Four Gables; found recently that FLW's California studio was on the SE corner of Harper and Fountain! Thank you, Shir-El too  04:36, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Wolfgang Hoffmann published
Cheers! Shir-El</b> too  15:31, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you
There are several images on the internet, but I'm not good at knowing when they may be used and when 'fair use' applies. Items he designed are listed periodically on auctions, at galleries and an occasional museum collection - and there's a lot more now than when I began researching a couple of years ago. The least formal image I've seen so far is here: https://kanecountyconnects.com/2019/09/kane-county-history-geneva-company-made-huge-contribution-to-art-deco/

Sadly, there seems to be no trace of his activities from 1942 until his death.

I'll post the article asap [and delete it from your talk page; it takes up A LOT of room!]. Again, THANK YOU! Cheers! <b style="color: #F64A8A;">Shir-El</b> too  15:13, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

PS Some kind of automatic reply form from my email posted the above to my page rather than yours, so I copied it here. Cheers! <b style="color: #F64A8A;">Shir-El</b> too  15:18, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

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"Nice thought, but unsourced and just an opinion"
Sacre Coeur - "nice thought, but unsourced and just an opinion". Not an opinion: FACT!!! I'll find a source and re-instate it.

I've just revisited Monmartre, and this "opinion" was made clear in the Monmartre Museum and in the guidebooks. The Monmartre community of artists (Vincent van Gogh, Pierre Brissaud, Alfred Jarry, Jacques Villon, Raymond Duchamp-Villon, Henri Matisse, André Derain, Edgar Degas, Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec, Théophile Steinlen, and African-American) almost all buggered off to Montparnasse, with just Suzanne Valadon and her son Utrillo staying behind. Arrivisto (talk) 21:29, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Your second Sacré-Cœur revert is helping to distort the facts and give the wrong impression. Whilst the building prominent on the highest butte in Paris, and is of some architectural interest, the current Wikipedia article is biased in favour of the Catholic church and against the anti-clerical pro-Communards. Please stop supporting this whitewash of the truth. Arrivisto (talk) 13:26, 5 April 2022 (UTC)


 * This is an article about the Sacre-Coeur, not about the Paris Commune. It shouldn't have any political commentary, one way or the other, and should just give the facts about the building. 15:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Perhaps, but since one may properly give the reasons the basilica was built, it would seem appropriate to mention the response. For instance, a description of St Paul's Cathedral would be incomplete without mentioning the Great Fire of London. Anyway, I've now said all I wish to, and I'll leave the matter alone now. Arrivisto (talk) 12:59, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Wolfgang Hoffman...
after it was deleted for copyright issues. Hope it passes muster this time. Meanwhile have added some images to spice it up a little. Stay Safe and Well!!! Cheers! !!!!
 * PS Very funny: Wolfgang Hoffmann shows up when typed into the search box, but not in the headline! Crazy. <b style="color: #F64A8A;">Shir-El</b> too  11:22, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I give up for the time being: too many seemingly incorrect changes, which may have to do with seeming glitchs in the WP program, and User: Diannaa writes that I still have copyright issues. I'll continue to search the web for more data, but not right now. Thank you for your interest and help. (PS Did you ever read Paul Berna's Millionnaires en Herb/The Knight of King Midas?) Stay Safe and Well! Cheers! <b style="color: #F64A8A;">Shir-El</b> too  18:42, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, can't see this Poussin, now in Philadelphia, in the Soviet sale of Hermitage paintings list. Johnbod (talk) 01:38, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

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Citation Clutter
I saw you've done a lot to Musée Carnavalet and it looks great with the exception of your citations and repeated linking to disambiguation pages. I see you've already been directed to how to format repeated uses of the same source, so how about cleaning up that unsightly clutter? Penguinmlle (talk) 21:49, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * You're quite right. I am working now to clean up the citations and to disambiguate. (I love that word). Best regards, SiefkinDR (talk) 15:53, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It is a nice word, though I think French has most English words beat on being nice. Lalaithan (talk) 05:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, I wanted to have a productive conversation about the lead image on the Napoleon III page. Though I disagree with your statement that his eyes looked almost closed because they aren’t at all that’s just how his eyes look. I think it irregular to have the lead image be a painting since there are so many photos of Napoleon III so perhaps we could choose a different photo for the lead image. Thanks!  Orson12345 (Talk • Contribs) 14:55, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much for your comment. The issue of the lead image has come up several times before over the years, It has been changed several times, bu always has gone back to one of two or three versions of full painted portraits. There's no problem having the photographs in the article, but not, please,  as the lead image.  They're very poor quality, ugly, nd make him look utterly bizzare.
 * The color portraits are used not only on the English Wikipedia, but also on the French, German, and Spanish articles, and other languages. None that I'm aware of uses a photograph. I think they're the best quality pictures available, and most representative of the subject.  In short, I think we should have both images, but the good-quality color image as the lead.  Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 15:27, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, I agree with your opinion. Most of his photos are very low quality, it took me awhile to find a decent photo. So would you be ok for me to put some photos of Napoleon and his family in the article since they’re very few photos of him in the article.-- Orson12345 (Talk • Contribs) 15:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course, please add photos. They also should use packed galleries, which don't waste a lot of white space around the images, and which would allow more images in each section. Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 15:53, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, I’ll work on that in the next few days. Have a nice day!  Orson12345 (Talk • Contribs) 16:00, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Napoleon III in uniform.jpg

Also, it appears that this picture was taken very late in his reign, when he was already quite sick. He certainly looks ill in the photograph. SiefkinDR (talk) 15:42, 9 July 2022 (UTC) 15:27, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your good edits, and good luck with the pictures!SiefkinDR (talk) 19:05, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello! I wanted to show you a photograph I just uploaded that might be a good option for the lead image of the Napoleon III article. I think a photo would be best, and since the photo I uploaded shows him before his heath decline, also the photographer is one of the most famous French photographers, so I thought you’d like it more. . Let me know what you think, Regards  Orson12345 (Talk • Contribs) 01:47, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for creating this page - it seems you share my passion for this subject! I visit Paris regularly for this purpose. There seem to be some important omissions from your list (but I am sure this is just a matter of time); La Madeleine, Paris and Saint-Sulpice, Paris. Point of Presence talk  10:58, 1 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adding St Sulpice, but the other church I was flagging the absence of was not St Eustache (which you already had), but La Madeleine. I think it is important enough to warrant inclusion. Thanks Point of Presence  talk  09:25, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

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Hi SiefkinDR, I work for Hamilton E. James and have a declared COI. I noticed that you have edited the Metropolitan Museum of Art page, of which Mr. James is Co-Chair of the board. Based on your interest, I am hoping you would check out my edit request on his Talk page. Thank you! KWray (talk) 14:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I will be glad to take a look.Cordially, David Siefkin SiefkinDR (talk) 10:24, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi SiekfinDR, thank you very much for implementing my request and making your own changes to the article! I also appreciate you reaching out offering to help with further requests. I will be in touch soon regarding a few more additions for the page, as well as your suggestion for a photo. Thank you again! KWray (talk) 12:05, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

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you have written some very detailed articles on architectural styles, with focus on France, but partly you did not follow French phasing.

French and other phasing of French styles
As a German, I have been struck by problems of translation of the terminology of phasing in the two must importan manuals. I have phone to art historians on this problem. They agreed, but had no interest to publish something on this feature. So I have written the short article de:Stilphasen der Gotik in Frankreich und Deutschland.

Now, in English WP, I have written an article on Classic Gothic, which is French Gothique classique. And I have adapted your articles to make them closer to French phasing.

The abolished triforia of Notre-Dame de Paris
In Early Gothic you have written the with drawm triforia of Notre-Dame de Paris had had windows.

Who has concluded this from which evidence?

The storey with the round windows were the tribunes. In some hidden positions such round windows have been preserved. Triforia had two constructive reasons. The primary reason was the decoration of the inner side of the wall in front of the lean-to roofs above the aisles. There were triforia in the form of an inverse dwarf gallery, consisting of a small arcade on the inner side and a wall on the outer side. The great innovation of Rayonnant Gothic was to cover the aisles with roofs with parallel ridges. This allowed windows in the level of those roofs, triforia with windows.

A reason to maintain the principle of triforia (instead of building larger clerestories with lower sills, which was done in some churches) was to have a double wall on that level, instead of the thin walls of the clerestories. In this combination, the windows of a triforium lay on its outer side. The single round windows below the Primary Gothic upright clerestory windows near the transept do not represent this system. Remember, Violet-le-Duc did not only examine the cathedral of Notre-Dame – partly he remodeled it.

Empiric view versus classification of architectural heritage
Rayonnant style is charcterized by the favour of very large stained glass windows. East of France, there were few basilicas with lit triforia, fitting the criteria of Rayonnant. Many builders returned to Classic Gothic cross sections and elevations, but in other matters, the stylistic development advanced.

Italy did not participate in the structural development of transalpine Gothic. Italian Gothic rather preferred cubic buildings than transparent pyramides of flying butresses. But in painting and sculpture, Italy was leading.

In general, styles are not genetic entities. Each style has some criteria and much more elements. Its preserved substance is the work of many "players". Many elements had already existed before the first compositions that fits the criteria of this style. And when a style has been left, some of ist elements persist in the following (and perhaps already in parallel) styles.

Therefore I doubt, if it is useful to use the phasing of Gothic in one country for all buildings, sculpture and paintings in all countries. In many cases it is sufficient (and difficult enough) to decide between Romanesque, Gothic, Renaissance, Baroque …

Best regards, --Ulamm (talk) 14:20, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This is an encyclopaedia in English, and it is much better if the coverage is centred on the usual English terminology. Frankly, both of you are at fault here. There are endless local terms in several languages which for the most part will just confuse our readers. For the most part they cannot just be mappeed on to what seems to be the nearest English term. Johnbod (talk) 14:47, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Each language uses its own grid to describe the world. This grid is formed by the regional background of its native speakers (concerning English language various regions and even some not-native speakers). To describe the situation and development of a regions out of this background, the "own" terms may be equivocal. Then it is better, to translate established terms of the described region. Nevertheless, we need international standards.
 * But I'd like to get a dialogue with user:SiefkinDR, not with you.--Ulamm (talk) 16:39, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Rayonnant in Italy and Catalonia?
Dear D. R., from my revisions of these sections of the article Rayonnant, you can see that I am not convinced that the term "Rayonnant" is appropriate for these buildings.

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But on (at least) one subject, ist is visible from the illustrations that the article in English WP was little more than a copy of the article in German WP, and the article in Britannica was little more than a copy of the article in English WP.


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What I discovered is the following. Though the French people did indeed suffer under the France-Prussian war, the main purpose is to honor the memory of the French casualties of the Franco-Prussian War and victims of the Paris Commune. This emphasizes the commemorative aspect of the basilica's construction.

The Sacre Coeur is therefore also a memorial for those fallen during the Paris Commune: The location of the basilica on the Butte Montmartre was chosen partly because it was the site of the Paris Commune's enemies last stand. The basilica served as a memorial to the victims of the Commune and as a symbol of the triumph of the Catholic Church over its enemies.

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