User talk:Sierranorth

Image copyright problem with Image:DrewMarshall.jpg
Thank you for uploading Image:DrewMarshall.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Polly (Parrot) 18:52, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Your edits (reply)
I will address specific points. Thank you for writing. I will monitor this page if you would like to reply here, or you may reply on my page. Either way is fine with me. SpikeJones (talk) 20:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have added some external links to interviews. External links need to pass WP's external links policy. WP is not a link exchange, and WP frowns upon adding links for the sake of adding links. There are other sites that you should look into that you can add specific links on specific topics for. DMOZ is one such site.
 * There are a number of interviews...archived that would be of interest to... and free audio interviews for anyone who wishes to listen. WP is not a link repository or your own personal website.  See WP:NOT for other examples of things that are not appropriate for inclusion.
 * I'm not trying to promote the web site What is your affiliation with the site?  If you are associated in any way with that site OR the Drew Marshall Show, then you are violating the conflict of interest policy, where you are not allowed to promote your own interests in any article.
 * I think these interviews would be helpful IF there is encyclopedic information in a specific interview that is not available anywhere else, then you may be able to add a reference to that specific interview, including the specific timecode that the exact comment is made. The key here is that the info *must* be encyclopedic, and not trivial.


 * I appreciate the work it must take to keep a site like this clean of unwanted information and spam. Thanks you for your time :) I love to read and learn about celebrities (especially the older genre). I am also a listener of the Drew Marshall Show and have found the interviews to be great sources for information.  I'm not sure exactly what encyclopedic information is.  I know written words can be made up but it is harder to forge an audio file of a person giving a first hand account of themselves or an event.  I believe these audios would be good sources for clarity and first hand information.  I will for sure use the timecode if I am allowed to edit again.


 * I am also the creator of the Drew Marshall wiki page (i thought people might be interested). The article seemed to be fine until I was "spammed" and now there are citations required all over the article.  I have noticed for example that the Tim Conway page sites no (or near to no) refernces.  Is the "citation required" edit a response to my external links.  I tried very hard to follow the wiki guidelines to put that page up and create as many internal links as possible.


 * Thank you for your dialogue on this matter. Sierranorth (talk) 18:32, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Enthusiasm in editing is fine. Adding info that doesn't build WP as an encyclopedia is not. A celeb's religious leanings, for example, is trivial. If the celeb wrote a book specifically about raising a child in a particular religious manner (ie Lisa Whelchel), then the information about their religious leanings becomes encyclopedic and can be added as there would be independent 3rd-party sources that would support such statements (as opposed to original research on a topic).  Please read the following:  The Five Pillars and what WP is not.  Think "notable" and "verifiable". Audio interviews are good examples of verifiable, but if the information is not notable, then it's not worth being added. As for the fact tags, there were many statements that need to have supporting statements in the Drew Marshall article. Every statement of "most", "according to", etc needs to have a supporting statement from an external source that will support the sentence.  If Drew's show is the "most listened to show", then you cannot take his marketing word for it, but it needs to be supported by notable reputable sources. In rare cases can you point to Drew's own website/marketing material, but 90% of the time you need to find external references.  The citation required items are for external links, not links to other WP articles.  Finally, one thing I noticed was Drew's head shot.  Did you take that photo yourself, or did you lift it from Drew's website?  If you did not physically take that photo yourself, then it needs to be removed as you do not own the copyright for the distribution of that image (stealing images from websites is frowned upon in WP world). SpikeJones (talk) 20:20, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Spike Jones...I am going to re-read the information you just gave me and see how I can apply it to my work here but I just wanted to note that I requested the image of Drew Marshall from the photographer who took it and was given permission by her directly to use it in the article. Thanks again for hte feedback, I keep learning :)Sierranorth (talk) 03:16, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Regarding the photo - if what you say is true, then you posted incorrect info regarding the photo. The photographer retains copyright, but you uploaded it stating that YOU own the copyright. As such, the image must be removed as WP does not have the authority to distribute the photo on behalf of someone else's word. SpikeJones (talk) 03:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Question: How can anyone post a picture on WP without the pic being taken by them directly? (talk)


 * It all has to do with copyright ownership and where the image comes from. I will assume that you are talking specifically about Drew's headshot photo. WP's official stance is that any promotional headshot (which I will assume that one was) must be replaced with a free image wherever possible, such as a photo of Drew taken in a public place by yourself (like a paparazzi shot - heh).   I will sum up other points for your perusal:
 * You own the rights to the image (usually meaning that you created the image yourself)....Best option in this case
 * You can prove that the copyright holder has licensed the image under an acceptable free license....something you didn't do with the previous image adequately. See Image:Big_red_boat_1998.jpg for an example of how it can be done.
 * You can prove that the image is in the public domain.....not likely for anything as recent as a headshot.
 * There is a ton more infomation over at WP:IUP. Should keep you busy for a while. SpikeJones (talk) 03:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay Spike - I'm working on references...be patient with me :) I also have a picture I can use that was taken at a concert with Drew and BB King - The one I had up was not a head shot but a crop of the BB King pic made black and white.  This is a pic taken in a public place.
 * When you say "the one I had up was a crop of the BB King pic", and you're also saying that you have a pic of Drew and BB King that you'll upload, it sounds like they're the same photo. You will want to crop out BBK from what you upload, if they are not the same photo and you have the copyright correct on it. SpikeJones (talk) 18:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

To save my sanity I will ask Mr. Marshall if I can take his picture and put it on Wikipedia (I know the his son)...Then I have the copyright.21:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries - it's all about maintaining proper copyright and usage. Remember, WP is not a promotional platform, it's an encyclopedia. Everything published needs to be verifiable/referencible and allowed to be circulated/published by WP. If it wasn't for this, then WP could go away entirely. SpikeJones (talk) 21:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)