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Willem van Eijk
Hi, I don't think Charlemagne is a fair comparison. The Netherlands did exist in the years 1940-1945. It was certainly occupied and governed by a "Reichskommissar", 'de facto', as you put it, but he was still more like a deputy or governor on behalf of Germany. It was a temporary arrangement, which the Germans never came to finalise (problably planning to incorporate the Netherlands into Germany entirely). There were a Dutch government and a royal family in exile, also. Do you know relevant historical works or biographies that use the same terminology to indicate someones country of birth? Tekstman (talk) 20:50, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello and thank you for your thoughtful message here! I admit that my comparison was a little too hasty and unfair, and indeed I should have offered something more contemptorary. In fact, I was thinking over it a while.


 * For me, I see this as a matter of NPOV. There are many, millions of people in fact, who today see certain states as illegitimate. For example, there have been more than a few readers and editors who don't like an article stating someone was born or died in Palestine, or South Ossetia, or Taiwan, or autonomous Kurdistan and such places like that instead of alternate claims as to what those lands are. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but according to my knowledge Wikipedia always states the de facto administration/government that man was born in without stating what it "should" be. Just telling the facts as they are.


 * To give an extreme example, some more partisan-thinkers see the entire existence of the Soviet Union as illegal communist occupation of Russia and neighboring nations. Are their claims any less than the Dutch in exile? Should Gorbachev be just listed as being born in simply "Russia" or in fact the Russian SSR? or what about Americans who were born in the Confederate States, which was never recognized? I know you likely see this article as an exception, but this logic is very easy to abuse. The fact is that van Eijk was born under German administration of your homeland, and the infobox should reflect this for NPOV. I would like to know your thoughts on this.-- ~Sıgehelmus♗(Tøk) 21:03, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I certainly see your point, and I also strive to an NPOV stating of the facts. Your examples form a wide array (seccessions, claims from other countries, occupations, annexations), but the Soviet Union is a nice example. It occupied and subsequently annexed several former independent countries. I believe you can speak of 'born in the Soviet-Union' from the moment these countries were formally annexed, not during their occupation before that.

Then, as I argued before, the country of birth is really the country (or dependent/overseas territory) in which a person is born, not the government or the ruler.

Further, as I already mentioned, I think we should investigate authorative sources from outside Wikipedia. The Brittanica for instance:. It just states "Netherlands". My final and a little less important argument is that I have searched for other articles in Wikipedia of Dutch people born during the German occupation and I did not find one of them that did not state 'Netherlands" as country of birth. To name just a few: Erica Terpstra, Rutger Hauer, Willem van Hanegem and Wim T. Schippers. Tekstman (talk) 21:59, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Well it's funny you actually you reminded me of something related to this. I remember that the article for Saint Adalbert once gave his birth and death places as just Poland and Germany or something, which doesn't make sense in the 10th century AD. I refined those locations to the actual kingdoms he would be born in and die under at those dates given. I've done the same with mostly other medieval figures, as is my interest, as well as some more contemporary men. As far as I can recall no one has really raised an issue over it or called for sourcing on such locations outside of cases where the place/time is actually unknown or unclear. Infobox locations seem to have always been(in normal circumstances) an "ipso facto" sort of situation - it doesn't need to be sourced that Carl Størmer was born in the union of Sweden-Norway, it's just clear from history itself which can be easily found on timeline map sites like http://geacron.com/home-en/?sid=GeaCron420218 (which I highly recommend by the way, very useful).


 * As for the other article which don't list the birthplaces as the Reichskommissariat, well, I'll cite a guideline someone used for me recently: Other stuff exists. I think the tone of it is rude and I'm sorry for that, but it does have a good point that other pages lacking something is not an excuse for a related case to be like it. I think those pages should be changed too and clarified. The truth is most editors don't have a weird interest like me in lucidity and precision in locations and history in infoboxes like me, haha. Few people would care that French colonist de Brazza was born in the Papal States and not just Italy, but I clarified it and it's been a solid addition to the article.


 * My point is that for hundreds of articles, in service of providing as much necessary information as I can and NPOV, I have clarified what actual government they were born or died under. I think there was only one incident where someone protested because it wasn't certain, but most editors don't seem to care about these things like I do or just don't know. I hope that you understand that my mission is just to provide an educational and neutral observation of reality for public benefit. I would be more than happy to help you with any problems you have and I enjoyed explaining some of my reasoning to you.-- ~Sıgehelmus♗(Tøk) 22:31, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Just to be clear, I do not oppose correcting anachronistic country or territory names at all. So, your work on Saint Adalbert and De Brazza etc. is well appreciated. However, I am a little disappointed you did not challenge my arguments at all, except the least important one: no other examples in Wikipedia. Which was, by the way, a comment on your remark "Yes you're right, which is what we use". This is not what "we" use, that was my point. At the very least, I proved that the consensus is on my side. But please consider my other arguments and respond to them, if you like. Tekstman (talk) 11:53, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

What about now?
You see why I had added the president? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Venezuelan_presidential_crisis

And you accused me of vandalism. Talfin (talk) 15:53, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

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It's common practice to pipe link Germany to terms such as "West Germany", "East Germany", "Nazi Germany" which are all no serious names for a country. In addition: what does "Nazi Germany" mean for someone born in 1938? - Sorry to add to your stress. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

In your edit summary you say "de facto locations" - I hear a stress on "locations". I usually just give a place name with a link. Anybody interested enough can find the political situation at the time of birth then. "East Germany" is no location. (What it is I don't know, - look on the article talk for my name, supporting a serious name.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:09, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, you reverted my removal of the rough translation tag on the page for Benis, noting that "some of the text was nonsensical when I added it and needs to be checked." Could you please indicate what text you had in mind, specifically? I'd be happy to edit it. I'm a native English speaker and I can't find anything in the article that seems nonsensical to me. Thanks! -Alexanderj (talk) 01:50, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

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Keys of Heaven : globalize
Hi, Sigehelmus. I don't understand why you added the globalize tag to Keys of Heaven. AFAIK, it is a Christian term that is not commonly used in other religions. Some Muslims seem to sometimes use 'keys to paradise', although that seems far less common, used more metaphorically and used far less officially than Keys of Heaven is in Christianity, so it seems to neither merit mention or a separate article. Do you have a specific non-Western view on the Keys of Heaven in mind that you noticed was missing from the article? If not, I suggest removing the tag, because I see no useful way to globalize the article unless the term is fairly important to some non-Western cultures. Aapjes (talk) 21:53, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and thank you for your message. :) I'm sorry but I'm really busy now so I can't respond as much as I would like, but what I meant by that was basically a general problem that Christian articles seem to have, which is a Western bias. What I mean by that is a lack of adequate (or existent) Orthodox perspectives on topics. For example I added a snippet of the Orthodox view on stigmata which didn't exist before. Even more abysmal are the near empty Coptic and Assyrian views! Does that make sense? There is a general Western bias in this site especially in the case of Christian articles, and I can't understate that extent because I myself learn more every day. I hope this helps! Good day. <b style="color:DarkGoldenRod;">~Sıgehelmus♗</b><b style="color:CornflowerBlue">(Tøk)</b> 22:50, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * A little googling suggests that some or all Orthodox interpret Matthew 18:18 as the keys being given to all apostles, if not the entire church, after initially being given to Peter. However, this is just from a forum, rather than a more reliable source. As an aside, I think that some biases are very hard to avoid because people of many nations are far more likely to lack the language skills to use and/or edit en:wiki. Furthermore, the resulting lack of interest in their country makes activism by way of editing en:wiki less effective as a political tool, which reduces the incentives to contribute. Also, en:wiki's editing guidelines which strongly favor English sources and in particular, mainstream English journalism, produces a variety of biases. One would expect such biases to be most evident in more obscure pages, such as Keys of Heaven. Aapjes (talk) 11:30, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

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