User talk:SilhouetteCastle

Your submission at Articles for creation: Red Charcoal (July 30)
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McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 23:19, 30 July 2022 (UTC)


 * == Red Charcoal ==
 * Hi
 * Regarding your edit for the 'Red Charcoal' music page, the aim of its inclusion is to relate this artist to her real name 'Caroline Oluwatope Karason nee Gideon-Adeniyi' who is noteworthy as a Scientist. There has been confusion as to whether 'Caroline Oluwatope Karason' and 'Red Charcoal' are the same person which is why this edit hopefully should clear this up.
 * The reason why 'Caroline Oluwatope Karason' is notable is because of her scientific invention that she was not credited for, for over 10 years. She is in the process of having her name added to the respective patents. This can be independently and externally proved via professors at her university: London College of Fashion, University of the Arts and by the employees at the reknown FTSE 100 pharmaceutical company Reckitt Benckiser in Hull (Headquarters Hull) where she created the sensitive variant of the trademarked Veet™ gel formulation in 2010, the first of its kind (which is very significant as Veet™ is not only a Powerbrand but the No. 1 Depilatory brand in the whole world) which was later sold to consumers worldwide. She then went into Science and English teaching and currently is the musician/artist 'Red Charcoal'.
 * In addition to the Veet™ gel formulation, she also invented a new in-vitro test method for rapidly screening irritant formulas (at Reckitt Benckiser) and a 'lip compression and separation test' for analysing the textural rheology of cosmetic products, namely toothpaste.
 * She also was expertly trained in perfume creation and composition by John Ayres of Givaudan, the worlds largest fragrance and flavour company.
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veet
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reckitt
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reckitt_and_Sons
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_College_of_Fashion
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_the_Arts_London
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheology
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothpaste
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmetics
 * https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359705817_Assessing_the_Relationship_Between_Instrumental_and_Perceived_Sensory_Attributes_of_Commercially_Available_Personal_Care_Products
 * https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359705407_Identifying_a_Rapid_In-Vitro_Screening_Test_Method_to_Assess_Dermal_Irritancy_Potentials_Across_a_Range_of_Veet_Formulations_Containing_Potassium_Thioglycolate
 * https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130205514A1/en
 * https://patents.google.com/patent/US20140309308A1/en
 * https://patents.justia.com/patent/20130205514
 * https://patents.justia.com/patent/20140309308
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Givaudan
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fragrance_Foundation
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfumer
 * http://www.bsp.org.uk
 * https://uk.linkedin.com/in/carolinekarason
 * https://redcharcoalmusic.com SilhouetteCastle (talk) 11:54, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Red Charcoal (August 8)
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The comment the reviewer left was:

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Dan arndt (talk) 10:39, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Red Charcoal
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Your draft article, Draft:Red Charcoal


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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Hey man im josh (talk) 13:27, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Red charcoal


A tag has been placed on Red charcoal requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://www.imdb.com/name/nm13895542/. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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 * I have contested this SilhouetteCastle (talk) 09:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Red Charcoal


A tag has been placed on Red Charcoal requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band or musician that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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 * I have contested this SilhouetteCastle (talk) 09:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia and copyright
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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, please ask them here on this page, or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 01:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I haave contested this SilhouetteCastle (talk) 10:10, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

December 2023
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions; however, it appears you may have written a Wikipedia article, or a draft for a Wikipedia article, about yourself, at Red Charcoal. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – please see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Notable people who have edited Wikipedia). If you wish to add to or change an existing article about yourself, you are welcome to propose the changes by visiting the article's talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was the page I created deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss this with the deleting administrator. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 01:44, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I have contested this SilhouetteCastle (talk) 10:10, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caroline Karason. Thank you. Doug Weller talk 14:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Copyright violations
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Nomination of Caroline Karason for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Caroline Karason is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Caroline Karason until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. Whpq (talk) 03:06, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I have disagreed with this and stated my reasons why SilhouetteCastle (talk) 10:12, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Thanks, I have added this now SilhouetteCastle (talk) 04:08, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Caroline Karason
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions; however, it appears you may have written a Wikipedia article, or a draft for a Wikipedia article, about yourself, at Caroline Karason. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – please see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Notable people who have edited Wikipedia). If you wish to add to or change an existing article about yourself, you are welcome to propose the changes by visiting the article's talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was the page I created deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss this with the deleting administrator. Thank you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The article is neutral, factual and heavily sources. The sources are reliable and independent and the subject is 'notable' as agreed by another Wikipedia editor, 'Significa liberdade (she/her)'. Please refer to her Talk page where she says this: 'Hi, SilhouetteCastle! I removed the A7 deletion. To help the page, it would be beneficial to add these references to it to show that Karason meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines for people. Additionally, it may be helpful to other editors to continue this conversation on the Red Charcoal talk page. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 00:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC)' SilhouetteCastle (talk) 10:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

In addition to pages linked to above (the words in blue), I strongly suggest you take a close look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest (particularly this, this and this), Wikipedia:Ownership of content, Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, and Wikipedia:Biographies of living people (particularly this) because there seem to be some important things about Wikipedia that you might not know. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:26, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Again, the article is neutral, factual and heavily sourced. The sources are reliable and independent and the subject is 'notable' as agreed by another Wikipedia editor, 'Significa liberdade (she/her)'.
 * I have noticed that you have already added a banner regarding 'Connected Contributor' SilhouetteCastle (talk) 10:24, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Here is the 'Caroline Karason' article. Please point out the part/s that is not factual or not heavily sourced. (talk) 10:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, Caroline. I can see you're having a hard time with the various Wikipedia policies that govern whether or not an article should be kept.
 * The minimum standard for all articles is notability, which you can read about at WP:NOTABILITY.
 * The minimum standard for notability is significant coverage of the article subject in multiple independent reliable secondary sources. Each source must fulfill all of the criteria: independent, reliable, secondary, and significant coverage. For biographies of living people, we'd like to see three such sources. I've taken a look through the sources on the article you wrote about yourself, and I literally do not see a single one that fulfills all of these criteria. I'm sorry, but you simply haven't demonstrated notability.
 * I'm happy to discuss further. Valereee (talk) 14:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the key question in this entire discussion is why @Whpq did not disagree that 'Red Charcoal' was notable and backed by a reliable sources but believes that 'Caroline Karason' is not when they are the same person and the same reliable sources where used. SilhouetteCastle (talk) 15:38, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think WHPQ said anything about whether or not he believed Red Charcoal was notable. He said it was deleted for being a copyvio. Those are two completely separate questions. Valereee (talk) 15:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @SilhouetteCastle, Red Charcoal was deleted on the basis that it was a copyright violation, it had nothing to do with whether or not it was notable. The article Caroline Karason article is being discussed because @Whpq did not find the subject notable. It's not a personal attack against you. Philipnelson99 (talk) 15:44, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Additionally, as others have pointed out a reliably sourced article doesn't automatically mean a subject is notable. Philipnelson99 (talk) 15:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

December 2023
 You have been blocked from editing from certain pages (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caroline Karason) for a period of 1 week for disruptive editing. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. Valereee (talk) 15:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

@yamla I would first like to say that the 'conflict of interest' was a mistake. I am not an expert in Wikipedia and as you can see from my Talk page I have not edited many articles. I only went to see the 'conflict of interest' section in response to a comment by a user/editor and I added it by accident. On the 'Caroline Karason' discussion page the editing was also a mistake, I wanted to stop using the bold and find the way to colour the background into different colours but I was unable to and even now not able to and the people on there were not in the right frame for me to ask so I edited some parts by accident. But even with this aside I was treated unfairly and the discussion for deletion started from an unreasonable place and I believe that others were made to be distracted from my comments because of how --serial edited my comments. If they didn't do this there would be no need to keep reexplaining myself


 * Caroline, the block for a week was an intentional choice to prevent you from continuing to bludgeon that discussion, which indeed will end in six days. As I said there, you've made your points and there is no reason to continue to make them over and over and over again.


 * I am willing to continue to discuss with you how policy applies here, but you're going to have to accept the fact that as a very inexperienced user, you don't understand how things work here and are going to have to listen to what other editors are trying to explain. We include articles on subjects that are notable, and Caroline Karason hasn't been shown to be notable. That doesn't mean the subject will never become notable, but right now I'm not seeing it, and neither is anyone else. There's nothing unfair or personal in that. Also listen to Yamla above...my block was literally the minimum that could be considered appropriate. Valereee (talk) 16:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Valereee I disagree with the block and believe you did it to protect the last very sound point that I made and to hide the user @--serial's action. Please re-read my reasons for an unblock and my reasons in the discussions. Regardless for whether I am experienced or inexperienced I do not nee to listen to people that show a lapse in judgement and reasonableness and that is trying to distract people from the unfairness that happened within the discussion. I'm even surprised that these people can be editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SilhouetteCastle (talk • contribs)
 * SilhouetteCastle, this is completely the wrong approach to take. If you continue down this road, I or another admin will block you site-wide indefinitely. --Yamla (talk) 17:10, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Yamla,
 * I believe that the decision to block me is was the reason for the creation of the nomination to delete the 'Caroline Karason' page.
 * It makes no reasonable for the same person to not have an issue with notability as a Musician but have a problem with it as their own person. I would understand if it was the same decision for both but it is not. @whpq said in the discussion @ 15:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC) 'Those copyright issues were the sole reason that article was deleted.' in reference to the 'Red Charcoal' page. @Significa liberdade also took of the A7 for the same person but bizarrely because they are now not a Musician there is now an issue with 'reliable sources'.
 * This whole situation is super strange in that so many find this 'reasonable'. SilhouetteCastle (talk) 17:26, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You are misinterpreting what that person meant and this was already explained to you. Time to WP:DROPTHESTICK immediately. You won't get another warning. --Yamla (talk) 17:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not misrepresenting what anyone said. This quote is found in the 'Caroline Karason' discussion:
 * 15:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC) 'Those copyright issues were the sole reason that article was deleted.' SilhouetteCastle (talk) 17:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Blocked indefinitely
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. Yamla (talk) 17:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)