User talk:Sillycel

September 2023
Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Rudolf Hess. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.  freshacconci  (✉) 16:23, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


 * How do you then explain the behavior of A.S. Brown who added these hateful comments that do NOT exist in the source cited? The source doesn't mention anything about what Hess thought of Egyptians, yet it's cited like 3 times when it's a very small passage. Where does the editor come up with these:
 * “Hess's youth in Egypt left him with a lifelong contempt for non-white peoples”
 * “believing that the Egyptians could accomplish nothing on their own”???
 * The book doesn't comment on these opinions that Hess “supposedly” had at all! Absolutely shameful.
 * https://archive.org/details/unsolvedhistoric0000rubi/page/140
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rudolf_Hess&diff=prev&oldid=954905550 Sillycel (talk) 19:12, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Sillycel, I tried accessing the link you included, but it simply goes to the book itself and a description of it, not the page with the information you were referencing. Could you kindly copy-and-paste the information of the page you were talking about or provide a different link? Thanks Jay  Tee ⛈️ 22:47, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I also wanted to add that I reverted your edit again- the article is a GA, which means that another outside editor has checked the entirety of the article, and it contains well-sourced and accurate information. Deleting this information can reduce the reliability of the article. Hope that helps. As for your concerns above, please provide a link or copy-and-paste to show what you meant about Hess's opinions. Jay  Tee ⛈️ 22:52, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Of course it won't show the page right away. You have to create an account then borrow the book (both are for free and don't ask payment info in this case). Have you never used archive.org?
 * This is the content of the page:
 * and subsequent life and death of Rudolf Hess have attracted unparalleled attention, probably more than that devoted to any other top Nazi except Hitler himself.
 * Rudolf Hess was born in - of all places - Alexandria, Egypt, the son of a German import-export merchant. He lived mainly in Egypt until he was fourteen, when he was sent to a boarding school in Germany. This is probably more than a biographical curiosity, for his Egyptian background meant that Hess lived in a British Protectorate for most of his childhood, viewing the presumably positive effects of British rule at first hand. Hess was also probably the only very senior Nazi who had lived for a long period outside German-speaking central Europe. This made his own outlook on Britain very different from those of his Nazi associates. Even those who, like Hitler, respected Britain on 'racial' grounds and admired the British Empire, never actually lived under British rule. Hess joined the German army in 1914, serving with some distinction on the Western Front and later as a lieutenant in the Air Force. He was twice wounded at Verdun, a fact which plays a part in the Hess 'mystery'. In 1919 he joined the right wing Freikorps and attended the University of Munich, where he became friendly with Professor Karl Haushofer, the right-wing exponent of 'geopolitics', who provided much of the intellectual basis for the German drive to achieve lebensraum in eastern Europe and Russia. Hess was close, for the rest of the time he was in Germany, to Haushofer, Haushofer's half-Jewish wife, and their son Albrecht, who has been seen by many as providing a key linkage with Britain before Hess's flight. In 1920 Hess attended a meeting of the newly-formed National Socialist German Workers Party - the Nazis - and was immediately 'enraptured' by a ranting speech given by its leader, Adolf Hitler.2 Hess quickly became one of Hitler's closest associates. In 1923 he was at Hitler's side in the unsuccessful Munich Beer-Hall Putsch, and was sentenced to seven months in Lansberg Prison. There, he wrote down from dictation much of Mein Kampf, Hitler's autobiography and political blueprint. It is widely believed that Hess actually wrote some of it.3 Hess's devotion to Hitler was so fanatical that some have suspected that a sexual component existed in their relationship. As the Nazi Party grew, Hess's role and importance increased. In December 1932 Hess became Chairman of the Central Political Committee of the Party, and, in April 1933, a few months after the Nazis came to power, he was made Deputy-Führer. In June 1933 he was named Reich Minister Without Portfolio, with a wide ranging brief
 * 140
 * It doesn't speak at all about Hess's opinions of non-white people, or the incompetence of Egyptians, or that this experience made him believe that only whites should rule the world together. It's all coming from A.S. Brown's sick imagination. Sillycel (talk) 11:34, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You are correct that the book does not directly prove those points, so I will revert my own edit. However, I would like to second freshacconci's warning about attacking other editors on a personal basis. "You're delusional" and "have you never used archive.org" and "A.S. Brown's sick imagination" are belittling and rude comments that aren't reflective of Wikipedia's behavioral expectations. You clearly have important contributions to make but being combative is not the way to interact with others. And for the record, Brown's edits are not a great stretch or a product of a "sick imagination" considering the belief of minority incompetence and inferiority are common beliefs of the Nazi party. Jay  Tee ⛈️ 18:03, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It doesn't speak at all about Hess's opinions of non-white people, or the incompetence of Egyptians, or that this experience made him believe that only whites should rule the world together. It's all coming from A.S. Brown's sick imagination. Sillycel (talk) 11:34, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You are correct that the book does not directly prove those points, so I will revert my own edit. However, I would like to second freshacconci's warning about attacking other editors on a personal basis. "You're delusional" and "have you never used archive.org" and "A.S. Brown's sick imagination" are belittling and rude comments that aren't reflective of Wikipedia's behavioral expectations. You clearly have important contributions to make but being combative is not the way to interact with others. And for the record, Brown's edits are not a great stretch or a product of a "sick imagination" considering the belief of minority incompetence and inferiority are common beliefs of the Nazi party. Jay  Tee ⛈️ 18:03, 25 September 2023 (UTC)