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Song to the Siren (Tim Buckley song)
The lyrics were the only thing in the article, so unfortunately that cannot be restored due to copyright issues. You can write about the song itself, but you can't include the lyrics unless you are quoting a small part for purposes of analysis. You would also need to show how the song is notable — for example if it was released as a single and appeared on a major chart. Hope this helps, ... disco spinster  talk  16:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Liverpool pages
Thanks for your suggestion, I am still somewhat a novice not enough time to work on the rules. With citations where does it start how many are required? I don't know how to link them. The Liverpool Vauxhall page is a lot down to me so if this is the right way then maybe I am half way there. I'd still need help to be honest ! Dmcm2008 (talk) 08:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi,


 * Thanks for the contact. However, there's no animosity between myself and Dmcm2008; we had a content dispute a long while back, but it's all done-and-dusted and, I believe, we now have a productive relationship. --Jza84 |  Talk 21:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem,


 * I hope you and Dmcm2008 can help bring some of these Liverpool-related articles upto scratch between you; I'm surprised to see Liverpool in such a poor condition (which is a shame for such a great city). I'll be happy to help where I can. If you take an interest in writing about places, WP:UKCITIES is probably your best starting point. Best of luck! --Jza84 |  Talk 19:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Anfield
Hi. Yes, all I changed were those few terminal periods in the caption non-sentences. I was planning to do a peer review, and sometimes just fixing a couple of things takes less time than explaining them. I'm glad you're doing the copyedit, and I'll just go ahead with the peer review. Thanks for the heads-up. I've made so many other promises that I'll have to pass on the copyedit of Jeff Buckley. Finetooth (talk) 02:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I finished the peer review just now and posted it at Peer review/Anfield/archive2. You're most welcome to look at it to see what I had to say. I did some more light copyediting as I went. Collaborative effort tends toward better articles, and your help is certainly welcome. Finetooth (talk) 04:35, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing Bloc Party. As you've seen, the requests for reviews are many. Your help is certainly appreciated. Finetooth (talk) 17:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

JB
I removed a couple facts from the Jeff Buckley article. Not that I don't think they're probably accurate, just that "citation needed" tags can cause an article to fail a GA review. dissolve talk  01:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Your Dr. Dre image
Thank you for uploading an image of Dr. Dre. Unfortunately, in case you didn't know, the Flickr image is actually copyright infringement, which Wikipedia prohibits in content. See WP:NFCC for details. See AllMusic.com for its original source; you might need to click the "previous" or "next" buttons to find the image.--Andrewlp1991 (talk) 04:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Liverpool
Please see WP:PLACE. The infobox is solely for the current city info so historic county has no place in there. It is acceptable to mention that it was historically in Lancashire within the lead section of the article but not in the infobox. See the third paragraph of Manchester for an example of what is acceptable and notice there is no mention of Lancs in the infobox. ┌Joshii ┐└chat ┘ 02:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.
Fixed, thanks for letting me know. · AndonicO Engage. 12:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Georgi Kinkladze
Following the failure of the FAC nomination for Georgi Kinkladze, I have opened another peer review in an attempt to get the article ready for a second nomination. As you commented on the FAC, I would value your opinion of whether the issues you raised have been resolved, and details of any further issues you have. Oldelpaso (talk) 13:55, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Dr. dre article.
Hi. Sorry about mentioning that the Jerome Young death was "off-topic" by using the "coat rack" essay to illustrate my point. I do remember reading about it in Ronin Ro's Dr. Dre: The Biography book, but I can't verify it because I don't have a copy of the book near me now, and the book isn't on Google Books. I think that any editor who can find a reliable source for it is welcome to do so now. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 23:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S.: Yes i realize now that i went too far with the "coat rack" thing. And thanks for putting up the samples. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 00:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No Problem, Great work on the article btw. - Guerilla In Tha Mist (talk) 11:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Jeff Buckley article
Sorry about that. Unfortunately I don't know enough about either of those things to start up the mentioned articles.

Good luck with them though! Philip.t.day (talk) 09:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

RE: Liverpool
Yeah that is a shame. Unfortunatly I don't have much time to work on articles anymore. Doyley Talk 11:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

MLB 07: The Show - bugs
That looks fine, a couple of examples and cited links for further reading is enough to cover the issue without going into too much detail. Exxolon (talk) 18:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Buckley
I didn't actually forget to re-add the reflist, I'd just put it in the wrong place it seems. :) I wasn't sure whether the influences edit was vandalism or not - it certainly seemed pretty reasonable, just unsourced. Also, thanks for the edit on the MLB 07 article - an infinitely better way of dealing with the section. Much appreciated. Regards, AllynJ (talk | contribs) 04:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Noted, I'll keep an eye out. And don't worry, I didn't take it as such. :) Regards, AllynJ (talk | contribs) 14:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Would you mind if I
started a Jeff Buckley discography article? That way the discography tables, unreleased songs and tributes can all be transferred wholesale there, making the parent Jeff Buckley much more concise and less listy. We'll then add a template and leave only the studio albums at the parent article. See: Nirvana or Pearl Jam (just a couple of FAs from the top of my head) indopug (talk) 17:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I don't know a lot about Jeff Buckley; I just saw his article at GAC and thought it was very good. I felt it could be easily made better by just shifting stuff to make it concise. As for your questions:
 * The band/musician article, ie Jeff Buckley, should only contain a list of his studio labums and their year of release. (like the articles I pointed out above). I guess that would be Grace and My Sweetheart.
 * Discography articles normally make any mention of reissues and re-releases, because they are never really that important as compared to the original record. So just the additional track-listing at the album's article is enough.
 * yeah the tribute songs can be deleted (since they don't belong at his discog as they aren't by him). I think unreleased recordings would be fine at the discog since Nirvana discography has such a section.
 * the documentaries don't seem to notable so they can be deleted as well. Amazing Grace is already mentioned in the article.
 * I think the Live at Sin-e articles should be merged. indopug (talk) 18:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Jose Mourinho
Please note the user was already advised by me, and all he did was just to reinsert the same exact content with no summary explanation at all. As an experienced football editor, I know for good in cases like these there are only two possible explanations: either he did not read the talk page or, as it happens more frequently, he just read and ignored it, and then kept on making his edits. I know I should WP:AGF, in fact I did it, so I made him notice he was including a paragraph of unencyclopedic content. In addition he made very similar edits to other articles, such as Juliano Belletti. Edits like these, by the way, definitely worsen the article quality, as we lose time in writing Manuals of Style and discussing months on how to write a good quality or a featured article. --Angelo (talk) 19:37, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the kind words, good luck with your Liverpool articles, I lived there for a while many moons ago. jimfbleak (talk) 05:10, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Jeff Buckley pictures
Just deleted them all, they are definitely not GFDL-licensed photos. I also warned the user to stop uploading them, and in any case I am ready to block him in case he keeps on doing so. --Angelo (talk) 18:28, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Of COURSE I didn't mind!
Hi, SillyFolkboy... THANK you for fixing up my shoddy wiki markup. I learned Atari programming, then html coding ... and there are only so many years left and I just can't get excited about learning a new coding when there is so much to learn that is really important to mankind... And, it is true, I seldom visit or post here often enough to learn much of anything except that my cardiologist says that it is BAD for my heart. ...laughing... Thank you... maybe I'll look for a photo someday... but I rather doubt it. Wiki is for a certain type of personality and I'm simply not that kind --- (thick-skinned, gaming-oriented and (in some cases) control freaks). I am an INFP personality and our kind (1% of the population) just can't handle this. Snugs, Spotted Owl (talk) 09:05, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: music samples
Yeah, I think that's good advice. I have (so far) uploaded a grand total of one sound file, and it was a single from Jordin Sparks' debut album. I don't know if that meets the "iconic" part of the Music samples guideline, but I asked on the copyright help desk if they thought my fair use rationale was sufficient, and they said they thought it was fine. J.delanoy gabs adds 13:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

JB GA
Great work on bringing the Jeff Buckley article up to GA standards! Most of the work I put into it was while sitting in a cafe, snowed in for a couple days, revisiting Jeff's music and story which I hadn't thought much about for years. My motivation was just to have a bio out there that covered his earlier years, which the ones online didn't, and that wasn't written by Sony. I kind of stalled out after that. I'm glad you came along and finished it and brought the article up to the level it deserves to be. FA might require verifying the periodical sources from the originals rather than web reprints and getting the JB estate to make some free use pictures available. I agree that a majority of people know his stuff more from the posthumous releases anymore, so the suggestion of adding more about those is a good one. I'll drop any more ideas for improvements on the article talk page. dissolve talk  23:48, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Your note
Thanks for your note Sillyfolkboy. As you say this editor is obssessed with placing death info in articles and infoboxes. I keep seeing his/her edits at the page for Oliver Reed and then track down any other pages that he/she altered. Unfortunately, since the IP always changes it makes it difficult to warn them or report them as a problem editor. We will just have to keep changing their edits back when the time comes. Keep up the good work and cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 22:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: death in infobox
Thanks for the advice. I've just checked through the page histories and I see he does this sort of thing quite a lot. I'll keep a look out for him. TheRetroGuy (talk) 12:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * 86.42.183.1 has been edit warring on the Burl Ives article this evening so I've reported him to WP:AN/3RR. Hopefully someone there can stop him. He's also added a couple of Burl Ives covers to song articles. I'm not sure how accurate the information is so I'm going to remove it just to be on the safe side. Thanks TheRetroGuy (talk) 21:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Although, just found this link so will put it back. Thanks TheRetroGuy (talk) 21:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
Oh I see, I understand. I dont normally remove vandalism on the Liverpool page it is usually removed pretty quick by others. Cheers anyway Dmcm2008 (talk) 09:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Good nature
I agree with your comment, certainly nothing you have said caused a fracas. Unfortunately despite USERJZA84 good knowledge of WP rules, has to undermine other editors such as myself.Dmcm2008 (talk) 08:21, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Sillyfolkboy, I noticed your post Dmcm2008 talk page and just wanted to ensure you the Wigan comment did not upset anyone. I did not phrase my question regarding "even Wigan" on the Skem discussion page very well and it may have appeared confrontational, if it did I apologise. In all the time I have been editing on Wiki I have never upset or offended another editor and have no desire to start doing so. I live in the Orrell area of Wigan and have several friends in Skem and was interested by your point regarding some peoples lack of self identification solely as 'Skemmers'. Many who were born in Liverpool themselves see themselves, rightly so, as scousers and it is interesting to note that in the Wigan area at least, when referring to someone from Skem, who talks with a scouse accent, many will use the phrase 'scouser' rather than 'Skemmer' (even though the person being referred to was born in Ormskirk or Billinge Hospital !). I would be interested in your thoughts on this, as a matter of mutual interest and look forward to working on articles in the future with you. Thank you. Man2 (talk) 11:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: William Blake rephrase
Hello. I appreciate your message. You are, of course, correct about the need for citations in that section. I have actually reverted quite a few edits to that section that were unreferenced and/or only barely relevant. The fact is, since there is a main article on Blake's influence on popular culture, the section in the main article should be kept brief and only include the most important and relevant examples. Cheers! --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive'  01:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Peer review
Doesn't everyone do three or more PRs a day? Thanks for picking up the football list PR! Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:39, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Liverpool Urban Area 'greater Liverpool
I am not sure how this works, but I am seeking additional opinions on the discussion on this page, I will abide by the general consensus. User JZA continues to undermine my edits and has done over a period. However I am only looking at opinions on the discussion page on Liverpool Urban Area if you are interested please leave your thoughts following the discussion. Thank you. Dmcm2008 (talk) 10:20, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Brian Jun
The category "American directors" did not exist, so I removed it. I went and added Category:American film directors in it's place here, which is more specific. I probably should've just done that in the first place though :) Wizardman  13:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

PR experiment
Dear Sillyfolkboy, I'm writing in hopes of enlisting your aid in a four-month experiment at Peer Review (PR). The success of the experiment will depend on finding at least 10 editors willing to review at least one article a week through the end of October 2008. The experiment will employ a streamlined review process designed to insure that every nominator who seeks a review gets one and that reviewers do not waste time doing long reviews for nominators who do not respond to an initial short review.

The way it works is this: (1) Choose any article at Peer Review that lacks a review. Peer reviews by date, especially the backlog list, is still a good place to find such articles. (2) Provide a short partial review based on your initial observations and wait to see if the nominator responds. Examples of short reviews can be found at Peer review/Foreign relations of India/archive1 and Peer review/Ed Stelmach/archive1. (3) If the nominator does not respond, the review is done. (4) If the nominator responds, continue the review as you see fit.

The experiment will require no noticeable administration. However, if you plan to participate, it would be helpful if you posted a brief note to Wikipedia talk:Peer review to that effect. At the end of October, we can see how the experiment turned out and whether this process or some modification of it could sustain Peer Review permanently with minimal backlogs. If you can help, that would be great. If not, that's perfectly OK. We are all tremendously busy with a lot of different projects.

I have chosen to write to you in part because you've done peer reviews from the backlog during the past four months. Please forgive the form-letter nature of this note, which is more efficient than a personal note. With respect and thanks for your hard work on many projects, Finetooth (talk) 16:16, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Steven
Hello. I got the IPA from the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary via a widget downloaded here, which is sadly no longer available. The instructions to download the material where within the download, and you had to go to a special site (probably here) to download the dictionary which was freely available, then run the widget to install the dictionary. The only thing I can do is to upload a screenshot of the widget showing the pronunciation, which you can see to the right. Cheers. ☆ CieloEstrellado 07:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. Right after you messaged me the first time I looked at the OED for steven. The word steven appears eight times, and none refer to a forename as in the OALD. Those eight steven refer to old words that have fallen into disuse. Regarding steven at dictionary.reference.com, it says it comes from the Random House Dictionary of the English Language, which is an American English dictionary. Because Steven Gerrard is from England, I would assume we're interested in the British pronunciation. Cheers. ☆ CieloEstrellado 07:33, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Dylan referencing
Hi Sillyfolkboy, I was puzzled by this comment you made on the Bob Dylan Talk page:


 * The referencing of the article is no longer good enough for FA standard. Should the article have another FA review (last one in 2006)? Sillyfolkboy (talk) 07:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

If you think there are major points in the article which are unsubstantiated by a reference, could you not indicate this with a {citation neeeded} comment, or raise a more specific question on the Talk page? I'm quite good at supplying references and footnotes for Dylan material, but I cannot understand how to respond to such a very broad charge. best wishes Mick gold (talk) 07:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure I agree with you. A glance at other FAs suggests to me that some do not have footnotes as rigorous as Bob Dylan. You write:
 * I meant the formatting of the referencing is all over the place (in terms of placement/order of details, italicisation, "quotations" for titles or not etc). Do you want me to have a look or can you do that sort of thing too?
 * Song titles are in inverted commas, "Mr Tambourine Man", albums and films are italicized, Blonde On Blonde, I'm Not There. Please have a look & fix if you think article is in bad shape! Last FA review revolved around the question whether there were sufficient citation/references, as you can see: [] My personal opinion is level of footnotes is still high. (Maybe I'm biased!) Today I deleted an alleged Dylan "quote" I think is not valid, see []. I think it's really editors like us - people who know about Dylan and who care about the article - who can improve it. best wishes Mick gold (talk) 15:15, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reply. If your aim is to provide more consistent & detailed footnotes, I can't argue with that! Interesting you mention Chronicles. I think Volume One is fascinating but it is a work by Dylan, I can't help feeling parts of it are borderline fiction, but written in an inspired way. His account of Ray Gooch and Chloe Kiel is fascinating, but did these people exist? I don't think any other account of Greenwich Village in 1961 mentions them! I suspect they are a 'composite' (as Marcus Carl Franklin says in I'm Not There), a pen portrait of an imaginary couple who embody Dylan's sense of the Village scene in the early 1960s. best, Mick gold (talk) 07:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Liverpool City Districts
Hello there! Thanks for the contact. I'm struggling to keep up with what is legitimate content and what isn't with regards to the areas and suburbs of Liverpool. They have been tampered with on so many occations on different pages I simply can't remember where the discussion was that listed the districts and gave the source.

So long as the areas are within the City of Liverpool (proper), i.e. the modern metropolitan borough, I don't think we'll have a problem. I've made a proposal to get a WikiProject Merseyside off the ground to help organise some of the content in the region; the growing list of people is at User:Jza84/Merseyside. :-) --Jza84 |  Talk 11:50, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Tim Buckley
Sounds fine, as long as that is what actually happened. Is there a source that documents his reduced/stopped drug?  Citi Cat   ♫ 15:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I'm the guy that wrote an article on the Tim Buckley song Phantasmagoria in Two and, being very new to this, I just wanted to write to thank you for your advice. I wrote the article primarily because it is in fact my favourite song although I was always worried that it might be deleted due to its relative "insignificance", something which, were I permitted to be at all biased I would describe as something more like a quite remarkable lack of recognition. So, thank you very much for not deleting it and I will bare your advice in mind if I ever feel the urge to write about any of his other songs (which is pretty much guaranteed to happen at some point soon). Just out of curiosity however, I would like to ask what exactly the benefit is of including the song description in the album article rather than giving it an article of its own. If it is, as I assume, down to the lack of content on the album article, then I would be happy to increase that content (for Goodbye and Hello at least) by researching its notable features - such as the recording circumstances, the public perception, etc - and describing its various styles and themes. Please let me know what you think, User_talk:B.G.Coles

Control (Janet Jackson album)
Thanks for looking over the article. Ha ha, I'm so terrible at math, it will probably be the last course I take before I get my degree. The Bookkeeper  (of the Occult)  01:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, it's understandable: your mistake was to confuse the base 60 with the base 10 (or decimal) system. This is what happens when you measure 1 minute in 60 seconds, 1 second in 100 milliseconds, 12 inches to a foot, 3 feet to a yard, 16 ounces to the pound, 14 pounds to the stone, and the list goes on... The Mayans did things a lot more accurately but their way of measuring time and dates was so complex that it can easily boggle the human mind! Don't worry about it, it's as confusing as the fact that dividing 10 by 0.8 gives you 12.5... Put that in your calculator! Sillyfolkboy (talk) 07:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Skip Spence
Why were the external links in the Skip Spence page deleted? Dale Ockerman and Keith Graves don't have Wikipedia pages, so I thought this was a way to provide some form of supplementary reference. Also, there is no "Land of the Sun" Wikipedia page as referenced to the Skip Spence single, so again an external link was provided. Am I missing something here in relation to Wikipedia protocol? I'm somewhat new at this.

Dreadarthur (talk) 16:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, the external links to photos of Skip Spence were removed. I am at a loss to understand, given the strictness of Wikipedia policies in relation to direct photo uploads, how to provide images of Skip Spence, other than indirectly.

Dreadarthur (talk) 16:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for your comments in relation to the foregoing queries. I now appreciate how I must be more discerning with respect to internal and external referencing. However, I am wondering if you would reconsider your views as to the external photo links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreadarthur (talk • contribs) 01:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Here are two of the specific links I wanted to make. Both relate to what appear to be personal photos uploaded to personal sites, so all I believe I am doing is directing the reader to legally uploaded images elsewhere. Going to all of the Google images of Skip Spence doesn't result in these pictures being as readily referenced. In my view, they are quite important since Skip Spence was homeless and, apparently, largely unphotographed (or photographed largely out of the public domain) for most of his later years. I'm certainly not going to upload these photos, based on how I now understand Wikipedia's policy to be (thank you again here), but I do believe these links are important. I won't restore them if you consider otherwise. Please let me know. Sorry for not signing the earlier missive.

Photo of Skip Spence in late 30s or early 40s

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://ferdybeat.altervista.org/SkSpence2.JPG&imgrefurl=http://ferdybeat.altervista.org/skipspence.htm&h=258&w=185&sz=19&hl=en&start=48&um=1&tbnid=Y32F01zRJdqepM:&tbnh=112&tbnw=80&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522skip%2Bspence%2522%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN Photos of Skip Spence in later years (with Bob Mosley and Peter Lewis) http://www.paulb.com/spencegal.htm

Dreadarthur (talk) 02:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Still hoping for comments from you in relation to the foregoing. In addition, there has been a revision to your currently preferred version of the Skip Spence page, using "popups". I am uncertain as to what is going on or whether this approach is considered generally preferable. Your comments appreciated.

Dreadarthur (talk) 21:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Well i thought I'd try it out but it appears another user also doesn't think it fits with wikipedia policy. They should be left out of the article. However you can try to contact Paul Berenson himself and see if he'll release the photo with an appropriate license for wikipedia (Like creative commons or similar). However this will mean he will lose certain rights over the photo (like being paid for its distribution). This might not be a major problem though because i don't think it has a lot of commercial value as it is now. See User:R._Baley/Free_photo_essay for more info. Thanks. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 12:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for the follow up here and for the link to obtaining photos. I will respect the opinions, though it still strikes me that if I am redirecting a reader to an external site where the pictures are clearly owned by the site owner, then all I am doing is linking externally without breaching the site owner's copyright. It would seem that I am also promoting the photographs on the external site, which would be more welcomed than seeking permission for him to waive all rights by uploading to Wikipedia. Any second or third thoughts here appreciated, though I will leave the matter in relation to Skip Spence. Alas.

Dreadarthur (talk) 22:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for your further explanation of Wikipedia approaches to the use of photographs. I wish there were some way to generally encourage people with photograph ownership rights to upload the photos to Wikipedia Commons, under restricted license (such as restricted to Wikipedia publication). In the music category, I have found very few images that are in the Commons. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place, but the only photo I found from 1967 was a Library of Congress photo of Pete Seeger. It would seem that most artists would benefit from uploading a few photos under restricted license.

Dreadarthur (talk) 01:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for the setup on Spence's Land of The Sun (Single) page, including redirects, plus providing helpful link for myself in future.

Dreadarthur (talk) 21:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Gerrardo Bruna
I've continued the work on him. Found out some more interesting stuff about him like being a Euro Champ, if he really was Real Madrid's 'Messi' then he's gonna do some big things for us. Bigbrenriley (talk) 19:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

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toni polster golden shoe
don't find something in english .. maybe http://www.wieninternational.at/en/node/1196 ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.192.66 (talk) 16:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

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Mike Kowalski--drummer--bio edit
Thanks for taking the time to visit, correct, and comment on the work I'm doing with Mike Kowalski's biography page.

I was visiting drummer pages, saw Mike Kowalski's then compared it to other drummer pages. Having heard Mike play many times, and knowing some of his history from hanging out with muscians and film people in LA years ago, I thought he deserved a better Wikipedia entry (what was up there was horrible). I read what I could online then emailed him to ask for some more information. He was happy to oblige. I love Wikipedia, use it a lot for many reason, and am happy to contribute.

As I get older (I'm 60 now) I hope to spend more time making and editing Wikipedia entries. So, I'm happy to learn more.

I got rid of a couple of the problems you mentioned. I got his permission as per Requesting copyright permission, and have sent his reply by email to wikimedia according to their directions. It will be interesting to see how long that takes.

I can see where the list of acts is problematic. The thing is, from my perspective, part of Kowalski's fame is all those names he's played with. I can communicate with him to get some additional information about them (when did he play with them, where did he play with them, did he record with them). But that seems to be problematic in itself because it may fall into the category of "original research" and I'm guessing that's not proper.

So, again regarding the list, where's the blurry line with citations?

My next little project on wikipedia will be with Restorative justice. I've got a lot of interest in that area, not much expertise but I can do some grammar and fact checking maybe.

Let me know

OregonJohn (talk) 05:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Non-free banner removal
Hi. Compared with the version that was tagged as excessive use of non-free images, the current version still carries the same amount of copyrighted materials. The only difference is that the separate images are now grouped together, in a slightly smaller scale. I don't think this has addressed the problem. Best wishes, --PeaceNT (talk) 15:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I still don't view it that way. First, the second image is certainly new, but it illustrates the same characters. Second, though individual character image is in smaller scale, the group image is much bigger than the old separate images. So I think the amount of copyrighted materials remains the same, just like it doesn't make any difference when we alternate between two different images of the same character. Best wishes, --PeaceNT (talk) 16:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That would help, but wouldn't solve the problem entirely, because the copyrighted material used in the character images that we're referring to is essentially the character's designs. A group image therefore still contains a large amount of non-free materials. In general, I might say, using non-free images for the sole purpose of identifying minor characters is discouraged. I assume the characters here are minor, as they don't seem to merit separate articles. So I'm inclined to have all non-free images for them removed. But considering I'm not familiar with the subject, I think I'd better just leave the tag there. I hope you reconsider the importance of characters, and unless strictly necessary, please don't use a non-free image. In any case, if images are (desperately) needed to illustrate a noteworthy aspect of the characters, a group image in low-resolution and limited size would be the best. :) Best wishes, --PeaceNT (talk) 16:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. :) I'm aware of that point from WP:NONFREE, which is why I supported "a group image in low-resolution and limited size" above. What I'm concerned about is that, unlike the small cast shot on Lost series article, the new image on VG Cats is quite as big as all the old individual images combine. The cited sentence in the guideline is I think based on the policy that requires limiting the usage of non-free content, but replacing a few small images with a noticeably bigger one seems to defeat that purpose. Also, it's clear that the author just literally grouped the individual images together; this new picture isn't the same as, say, a lucky shot of a scene with all characters appearing at the same time. I'm unsure if this form of grouping is really preferable per WP:NONFREE. Just my 2 cents. :) I do not follow WP:NONFREE discussions regularly so it's likely that my interpretation of this policy may be mistaken. Do you have any idea how to get more feedback? (perhaps a request for clarification at WP:NONFREE talk page?) All the best, --PeaceNT (talk) 06:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

re: Robert Sterling Yard
Hey, SFB, thank you so much for your comments at the PR and your kind words on my talk page. Yard is part of a personal mission of mine to bring all eight of the founding members of The Wilderness Society to Featured status. I've achieved one so far, but I can't say there's been much interest in the subject from other editors. It's definitely a one woman mission. :) Buckley's article looks like it's come quite a long way, so congrats!  I must admit, however, that I've always been more of a fan of Jeff, whose article is also very good.  Any chance the works by David Browne, etc, in the "Books" section can be used as sources?  That may help alleviate the pressure on refs 1 & 2.  Besides, I know that research is one of my favorite ways to pass a rainy day.  Let me know if you ever put the article up at PR and I'll gladly return the favor.  Again, thanks very much for the helpful comments on Yard; when I'm more than half awake (or is it half asleep?) I'll reply to your individual points at the peer review.  Take care, María ( habla  con migo ) 04:52, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was a compliment. :) I read the article when it was up for GAC and quite enjoyed it. Book references definitely don't hurt during FAC, but you're absolutely correct about the issue of trust.  With Google Books, Net Library and other online suppositories making printed sources more available, however, this might not be an issue in the future.  I always think it's a shame when people rely needlessly on internet sources, especially on literature-related articles, you know?  If Shakespeare's article only used news articles and online study guides, it wouldn't be nearly as impressive.  Then again, maybe that's just my bookish tendencies speaking...  María ( habla  con migo ) 16:54, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles must have NPOV discussions have no rules but "civility"
Re: sillyfolkboys discussion edit conflict with me re: Dwain Chambers.

Discussions are for the discussion of the object of the article not just the article itself.

LFC squad numbers
Whenever Liverpool select non-numbered players in pre-season friendlies, they are given these artificial, high numbers on the squad page (they are not used in the actual matches, which are 1-11), presmuably as some sort of database requirement. This has been going on for the past few years (see this from last year), and they are always wiped out by the time the season starts in earnest. Usually Liverpool announce official squad numbers as news items, so unless that happens or they're seen in an actual competitive match, I'd advise cauton. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 21:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Cite web
Thanks, the proposal had been discussed for weeks and series of tests suggested at cite web/sandbox. But the use of "date" for not a date value but text had not occured to us. "Undated" is a valid entry (as opposed to the field being blank perhpas because an editor had not bothered to complete the information). I've set up a list for such valid alternatives - can you indicate examples where you have seen problems at template talk:cite web or template talk:date style - again many thanks David Ruben Talk 21:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about doing this just yet, the cite web change will be reverted until we find a way of introducing it without changing existing citations. Rjwilmsi  21:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for the kind words on my User Page. Positive feedback, like yours, makes the experience at Wikipedia much more rewarding and less frustrating. I appreciate the feedback. -- &#x2611; Sam<font color="#CCCCFF">uelWantman 19:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Thansk for your help Silyfolkboy. I know you are just trying to make Wikipedia better. I appreciate your comments and assistance. And yes, I really love hot dogs. AnibusHeatus (talk) 18:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Dwain Chambers
Don't think there's much I could suggest as to how to improve the Chambers article! It's fantastic, the work you've done has improved it greatly. Pullshapes (talk) 15:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment I saw

 * Noticed your comment regarding the GA review of Simpson and Delilah; bear in mind it was the first review I've ever done. It's not hard to fix the problems you mention. How about some feedback for anymore reviews I do? Should I be tougher? I realize I'm not reviewing for Featured Status, but it has to be quite good, right? how do you turn this on  02:11, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehe - how funny we posted at the same time. I'll follow your advice on my talk page then... how do you turn this on  02:14, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok Well I just chose that letter because it looks good in my opinion and gives my signiture an original touch :-)  « l | Ψrom3th3ăn ™ | l »   (talk) 02:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Kinkladze / FA
My next tilt at FA will be Bert Trautmann, but lately RL business has limited my editing. I'd addressed or attempted to address all the points raised in the Kinkladze FAC, though since the nomination closed the image of Kinkladze has been deleted from Commons - questionably IMO, some anomaly with the OTRS submission apparently. The Russian sources were handled by User:Jhony, who is Russian. I'll resubmit it at some point in the future, but it could be a while yet. Oldelpaso (talk) 14:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've changed the Telegraph link to refer to the print edition. The Derby Evening Telegraph ones still show up in Google so I'm hoping they'll update the links to the new site structure in the next couple of weeks. If not, there's a Wayback Machine archive of one, and I should be able to find an alternative for the other, or locate the original article using my library card and Newsbank. Oldelpaso (talk) 17:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Rock music WikiProject
I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Rock music WikiProject. There's alot of Rock-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help us get this project off the ground and a few Rock music pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks! --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 19:11, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Citationpalooza
Hi Sillyfolkboy, thanks for the nice note. I like your idea of making every citation count! I wish I knew how to do it... for example, on a recent article Zelda Fitzgerald, on which I worked, the main sources were a couple very good biographies. Both my article and the biographies moved through Zelda's life chronologically, and rather than a single note saying as much I ended up with an article that looked like: Zelda Fitzgerald was born on her birthday. She grew up in Alabama. She met F. Scott Fitzgerald in 1918. Almost the whole article looks like that, because they are the only two biographies of her. Ends up a bit silly, in my opinion! If we didn't have to include so many citations, it'd be easier to make the good ones stand out. When an article has hundreds of footnotes, nobody reads them anymore. An unfortunate casualty of that is that we lose the ability to give readers encyclopedic information in the footnotes! --JayHenry (talk) 05:11, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Lion King Peer Review
Thanks for your advice and tips. They were much appreciated. I went ahead and knocked out alot of the items on your list. When you get a chance, let me know what you think.

Thanks, DrNegative (talk) 10:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Be Black Hole Sun
Well to answear your question my first edit was about a the Roman Emperor on the norwegian version of this, after a while i started working on other thins for some reason i don't remember. And yes i know enough to write a short summary and to answear i think its more ready then before i came. See :)


 * Take a look at the lead now please. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 05:38, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Rock music WikiProject
I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Rock music WikiProject. There's alot of Rock-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help us get this project off the ground and a few Rock music pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks! --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 08:55, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

The Lion King
I think the nominator got a bit over-enthusiastic over taking the article to FA so soon which might explain why my thorough peer review was strangely closed. User:AnnaFrance seems keen to make improvements to the article however. If the nominator does not contribute to the nomination in the next two days I would recommend closing it and expecting a following nomination by a more regular editor. User:DrNegative has only really become active in the last three weeks or so (see here), so may not be able to carry the burden of an FA nom at this stage. Thanks. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 19:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. -- Rmrfstar (talk) 19:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Peer review
Glad to help and thanks for all of your help with WP:PR Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 11:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks ready to me, but as noted I am not a sports editor. Even if I were, FAC has ways of finding things to fix you never thought of. Good luck, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:22, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Up The Down Steroid
Dear Sillyfolkboy, if it can be cited, it can be added to an article. Check out the policies on verifiability and no original research for more on the subject. My own opinion is that you should be able to learn much about a subject through the wikipedia article alone without having to study the subject matter itself first. Alastairward (talk) 22:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This might be of some help.Alastairward (talk) 10:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Jeff Buckley range question
Hi Sillyfolkboy, you asked me about Jeff Buckley's range a few months ago (I haven't been very active on Wikipedia lately!) To refresh your memory: "I'm going to just add to the controversy but i want to tell a musician's point of view. The lowest note i have Buckley hitting on record is a G2 on "Phantasmagoria in Two" from the Tim Buckley tribute and why are people saying Buckley hits an Eb6 on "Gunshot Glitter"? Isn't it an Eb5? Maybe people are confused over guitar being notated an octave higher on sheet music, or that he jumps in to falsetto? Not sure about your musical knowledge but an Eb5 is either 11 fret on the high e4 string or two Eb's above the middle C3. Which gives him just short of a 3 three octave range. Not bad, comparable to Roy Orbison and Tim Buckley and better than Pavarotti. Just there happens to be a bit of an exaggeration contest over this, plus various hacks thinking G2-A6 is 4 octaves and confusion between standard american and european notation (european is counted one number lower). Sorry for the essay. Tell me what you think." The high note in "Gunshot Glitter" is definitely an Eb6; it's extremely high and sung in falsetto. Eb6 is a little over two octaves above middle C, because middle C in scientific pitch notation is C4 (which would be notated as C5 in guitar sheet music), not C3. The GG note is indeed very high for Jeff-- nearly an octave higher than the lovely E5 at the end of "Corpus Christi Carol", though not nearly as strong. If he hits G2 in "Phantasmagoria in Two" (I haven't heard the song but would like to), this would make his range 3 octaves and eight semitones, closing in on 4. But his upper and lower extremes were very rarely exploited, as I already rambled about on the original talk page. I would say the GG note is a fluke and so I would lean more toward your almost-three-octaves measurement. I don't know if it's fair to compare Pavarotti's range with the Buckleys' since the latter had microphones and didn't have to project over a 110-piece orchestra. :) Classical singers' ranges are limited to the notes they can fill an opera house with; off the stage you'll find a lot of them can get into the weird stratospheric notes too.

Usain Bolt
Saw your edits - haven't reviewed in detail but they certainly look good in general. As I said on the talk page, the guy's achievements stand for themselves, no need for hyperbole! Good stuff, TrulyBlue (talk) 13:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi
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Welcome! I noticed that your Username shows up red when you post an edit -- in case you were wondering why, this is because your userpage is devoid of content. If you were to place anything at all on your userpage (text, photographs, etc.), your username would then appear blue by default. By convention, most serious contributing editors place information about themselves on their userpages, and as a result, editors whose usernames are still red may appear to other editors as lacking a serious motivation in both editing Wikipedia articles as well as joining the Wikipedia community at large. I therefore recommend that you place something on your userpage, such as information as to where you live or what your hobbies are. You can check out other editors' userpages to get an idea of what is normally included (find them easiest by checking the history tab on randomly chosen yet substantial articles), and even copy/paste from their userpages (modifying the information to reflect your's, of course). Even the manner in which your name appears may tell a little bit about your character and personal style (if the default blue is not your cup of tea, you can copy/paste a username format from another editors' post, and put that information into my preferences at the top of your page after you sign in, modifying it, of course, to include your usename.) This may help you feel like you're more engaged and integrated into the culture of Wikipedia. Please contact me if you'd like any more advice. :)  DRosenbach  ( Talk 02:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Right on...haha! I did notice the considerable content of your talk page, but decided to propose some aid nonetheless.  :  DRosenbach  ( Talk 03:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Bolt
I looked very briefly around the article when I reverted the one date, and most of them seemed to be in US format, so I just changed the only one I noticed in the opposite format. I have no opinion either way. I'm from Canada where we 'allegedly' use both, but I've never seen anyone ever write a date in 20 January 2008 format here. As long as one format is stuck to, I don't really care either way. It should probably be Jamaica standard, but I don't really know what that is, not being from there.

I'm not really an atheletics editor; I just was fascinated by Bolt, checked his article out, and started making changed; particularly once I realized it was going to take a big vandalism/'put every little fact in we can find' hit. I'll take a quick look at that article though, and see if I can improve it at all.

There is no hardfast rule as to what a "lead" should include for any article, but WP:Lead is the style guideline. I would say that the Lead for an article should basically be... if you wipe out the rest of the article, it should still answer the question "Who/What is [topic]?", and "What makes [topic] notable?" to someone who has never heard of the topic before. That is all the lead should do, in my opinion. It should not summarize the career of the person - that's what the article is for. If one thinks that one of Bolt's his major accomplishments is that he won the whatever junior championship used to be mentioned in the lead (even in light of his more overshadowing olympic wins), then perhaps it belongs there. I personally felt that his junior wins no longer are the wins that define his career anymore.

Cheers, TheHYPO (talk) 07:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

One good tern
Thanks, I did that species because I knew it had brilliant images, waiting for White-breasted Nuthatch to get through featured article candidates before I send the next GA there (Red-necked Grebe) there. jimfbleak (talk) 12:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

re: RSY
Thank ye kindly. :) The long suffering FAC is my own fault; that's what I get for writing articles about people no one has ever heard of.  Still, I'm glad the work is appreciated!  Thanks again for your help with it.  Take care, María ( habla  con migo ) 13:45, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Usain Bolt
Hey, I haven't really heard anything different that what's repeated in the article. However, I'll definitely start looking around to see if I can find anything that I can add to it. If you feel like searching, you may look for articles written by the Jamaican Observer etc. And thanks for reverting the vandalism from my talk page. I actually saw it long ago, but wanted to keep it as a souvenir hahha. I'm done being affected by comments like these. Anyway, cheers and take care. By the way, are you Jamaican? <font color="navy" face="Garamond">Oran <font color ="green" face="Garamond">e <font face="Garamond">(talk)  02:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Keep up the good work with the Bolt article I recently added the new images. I saw your message ion the commons. Lets hope the French guy isn't telling porkies and we don't get them all deleted. I have my doubts I must admit and you know what the deletionists are like on here. If you want to devleop the article to GA or even FA status I can give a hand with writing it. You;ll need to find more newspaper sources from Jamaica probably for more detail. <font style="color:#fef;background:black;">The Bald One     <font size="-4"><font color="Black">White cat 16:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you looking for biographical material (early years) only? I have a bunch of info on his foray into the Olympics and his performances, all from the most authoritative magazines and newspapers etc. Not much on his early days. I'll place a few on the article talk page. <font color="navy" face="Garamond">Oran <font color ="green" face="Garamond">e <font face="Garamond">(talk)  17:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, I see you've done a lot of work with the Usain Bolt article and are probably pretty familiar with the content. I was wondering why you reverted my edits on merging "early life" with "personal life"? On most Wikipedia articles, the personal life history is presented first thing, and any other interesting details (such as, Bolt likes dancing and has a laid-back personality) can be presented after the career information. But the "Personal life" section starts off the same way as the "Early life" section, only with parents' names this time, and also repeats information stated in "Early life." Please advise. Yoninah (talk) 19:27, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, I understand what you did (and would like to do), but the fact is that most articles (rock stars, businessmen, politicians, what have you) start off with more personal detail. Please take a look at Michael Phelps or Sting or Bill Gates or Hillary Rodham Clinton, and you'll see that the person's early life really does deal with biographical details and not immediately about his achievements. After summarizing Bolt's achievements in the lead, why can't we start off with a small bio and then move right in to Bolt's amateur and professional careers? We could also leave a section at the end for details about his adult, personal life. Yoninah (talk) 21:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, I see that the "Early life" section was reinstated and I agree that the "Personal life" should also stay where it is. You definitely have the makings of a feature article here, so I don't think you should give up on trying to copy the style shown in other famous-persons articles. Really, all the "Early life" section needs is more descriptive detail of Bolt's family history to make it interesting and informative. I'm sure there are now good biographical articles about Bolt in Sports Illustrated, Track and Field, and other sports magazines which you can reference. In truth, I am not a sports fan at all, but after Bolt won those Olympic medals I clicked on Wikipedia to read about him and that's how I got involved with these edit suggestions. Keep up the good work! Yoninah (talk) 19:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * P.S. Could I add my name to the others to suggest that you put something on your userpage in order to remove the red link from your name? You've done so much work for this article, but that red link makes others think of you as a newbie. Perhaps you could simply copy this section which appears at the top of your talk page onto your userpage?:


 * I generally stick to what I'm good at, music articles and the occasional thing related to Liverpool.
 * Mainly improving Tim Buckley things at the moment.


 * All the best, Yoninah (talk) 19:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey, how's it going? I searched for a long while but could not find any original information about Bolt. Everything is a duplicate of what's already in the article. <font color="navy" face="Garamond">Oran <font color ="green" face="Garamond">e <font face="Garamond">(talk)  17:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

GAN: Bolt
From what I've read on the article, it seems quite comprehensive to me. Even if you are working on it, I assume there won't be major changes in its format& composition, which I believe don't fall under the satability issue (i.e. detailing and refining are not stability related). And since the article is not controversial, the stability criteria should be passed. I'll have this page under my watchlist and i will try to give some help if necessary, but don't forget that once you are pleased with the article, you can submit it for wp:FAC (after the GAN is done). Keep up the good work! Nergaal (talk) 13:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Liverpool FC & Treble
I felt unprecedented implied that it was a greater achievement than other Trebles. Probably not technically a weasel word but that was the intention behind it. Kie (talk) 12:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

York City
Hey, thanks a bunch, that was really nice to be told. Keep up the hard work yourself. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 17:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Barry Bonds in Dwain Chambers article
I was wary of making that edit because, being a San Francisco Giants fan, I am slightly biased, but I decided facts are facts and the other two have tested positive whereas Bonds has not. Incidentally I was looking back through the edit history of Dwain Chambers and it looks like you've done a great job improving it, so well done! Good luck at FAC. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 16:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Usain Bolt
I add a wikilink for his birth date on the main section of his article. He is a celebrity so his birth date on the main section of his article must be wikilinked.--Joseph Solis in Australia (talk) 09:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Terrific!
Your expansion of the "Early Life" section really improves the article! Thanks! Yoninah (talk) 12:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Growing Pains
Indeed, that may well be one of the problems. I'm also editing Tom Daley, and he seems to be growing an inch every time someone writes about him, which for a 14yr old might actually be the case! --Ged UK (talk) 15:41, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Peer review
Cheers for the peer review, it was a lot more comprehensive thn the ones I normally get, so I had a lot more work to do than normal. Seeing as you are a Kopite, any chance you wwould be interested in collaborating to get the Anfield article to Featured status I noticed you did some work on it previously, which in my opinion greatly improved the article. And I'm very interested in the Xabi Alonso artixle be sure to let me know when you do take it to peer review. NapHit (talk) 19:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment on Dwain Chambers FAC
In all honesty, you picked a bad time to seek promotion. Things at FAC have slowed to a crawl recently, and the number of candidates has hovered around 50, as opposed to the usual 40; as a result, anything without support won't stay up long. If I could change anything with Chambers, I would have spent less time on BALCO and more on prose, my reason for opposing. I never finished checking the prose, so I didn't feel comfortable striking my oppose. I should have done another prose check, but I'm having trouble keeping up with everything I review. Sorry I couldn't help more, but just keep improving it and it will get there. Cheers.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 15:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Re.
I don't know how it happened, but what I origionally said was edited out. Basically I gave you the Tireless Contributor's barnstar in hope that you would replace the Origional barnstar I gave you a while back. Reason being I thought the latter was a better way of showing recognition to your work on Usain Bolt. But somehow the Origional Barnstar template was switched with the TC template, while the text was kept the same. Gettit?  A Prodigy   ~In Pursuit of Perfection ~ 17:44, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

finish line?
I seem to recall seeing one of those slit-image finish-line photographs on wikipedia, but I don't see it in any article I can think of where I might have seen it. I figure it may have been copyright and was removed, but do you recall seeing such an image anywhere on wikpedia? I'm looking to add it to the fully automatic time article (and perhaps the photo finish article as well), but I would assume it's not the kind of image that would exist as free-use. Thanks TheHYPO (talk) 13:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Request
Hello Sillyfolkboy. I was just thinking about all the great work you've put in to the Usain Bolt article, and was wondering. Can you please help me out in resuurecting the Asafa Powell article? It could use some of your great charts (i.e. the 100 m personal best progression ones), pictures, references and etc. I have done my best in significantly cleaning-up the topic, but it just doesn't seem to be enough. Apart from myself, no-one else is taking major interest in updating it with new information.

Please can you help out? Regards,  A Prodigy   ~In Pursuit of Perfection ~ 16:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Gave thanks on my page. Hope you will be able to help me out at some point in the near future. Regards,  A Prodigy   ~In Pursuit of Perfection ~ 16:08, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Concealed links
Hi, thanks for your feedback about 'years-in-xxxx'. Links are not in articles so that the linked article can survive. They are only there as a help to the reader. If you conceal the link, the reader won't know it is there. The film, music, and aircraft projects are all thinking of deprecating these concealed links. Now the Manual of Style is thinking of addressing the issue. Have you seen the alternative suggestions at: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)? Regards Lightmouse (talk) 22:39, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Dwain Chambers
Hi, I will be reviewing your article, Dwain Chambers, for GA. It looks like an excellent article, very interesting, and initially I don't see anything that needs improving. I can see you have put a great deal of work into it. The athlete's story is sad. I will be reading through it the next couple of days and adding comments to the GA review on the article talk page. Please feel free to contact me. &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 23:39, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Bolt
Congratulations! You of all people must be most satisfied, half that article must have been written by you ^_^. Well done again, surely that means you know have time to help me with the Powell page? Best of luck,  A Prodigy   ~In Pursuit of Perfection ~ 16:18, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Just though I'd drop you a quick note. I have changed my username from A Prodigy -> Blooded Edge. Hope you're well, <font face="Vivaldi" size="4"><font color="ED1C24">Blood <font color="ED1C24">ed <font color="FF4F00">Edge  Sign/Talk 18:40, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Wethered
Cheers for the help the article is pretty impressive NapHit (talk) 18:09, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Archive box
Cheers for the tune-up for my archive box. <font style="color:#fef;background:red;">Londo <font style="color:white;background:black;">06 08:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Robbie Fowler
The benefits of shift work and rubbish day time TV. I hope he signs quickly too. (Quentin X (talk) 11:25, 11 September 2008 (UTC))

Personal life
I left a note on Talk:Dwain Chambers about adding back the section on Personal life. There is a talk post going about how every article on an athlete should have a substantial personal life section. I disagree, as many like Chambers do not have a well publicized personal life that is not entwined with his career, but.... Regards, &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 00:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Dylan FAR
Thanks for comment about references & punctuation. I had got it the other way round... ignorance I think. You flagged your concern about reference standards back in July, looks like you were right! You mentioned user:ealdgyth could be useful in checking our ref standards. (Shall we ask her?) Already I've had debate with Realist  about whether Bjorner's Still on the Road is WP:RS at []  btw I'm puzzled by what you did today: I added 2 references after Ricks's name, and one after Corcoran. But you've now placed all 3 after Corcoran. Shouldn't the 2 Ricks refs come after his name? cheers Mick gold (talk) 22:18, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

You are blocked!
Actually two weeks, since three isn't a drop-down option. You can email me if you change your mind, but I'll be away after 3 October jimfbleak (talk) 05:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Intro
Alrite mate, Hope your well.

Just a quick query about the inclusion of references in article introductions. Given the intro is a summary of the main body of text I wondered what the standard was on Wikipedia, if there even is one? Some articles seem to include them, others don't and I can't find anything in the wiki help articles. Any thoughts?

Cheers --Daviessimo (talk) 19:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hate to be a pain but I have another query. I've found an image here that will be I think will be useful for the Albert Dock article. Anyway the copyright is 'some rights reserved' and that is namely giving credit to the owner. Is that acceptable by wiki standards? Thanks --Daviessimo (talk) 19:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah it is very odd. Its doesn't explain it clearly on Wiki but on Commons it has a nice little table that makes it really clear. Anyway now I know I'll not what to look for in future. Thanks for the reply. --Daviessimo (talk) 20:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Quick question
Hey there, long time no see. I just wanted to ask you, do you know if Asafa Powell got an Order of Distinction like Bolt? I remember an IP adding the C.D tag at the start, but I removed it as I thought it was just a lie (etc, etc.). Do you mind claryfing? If you have a link or something to serve as a reference, that would help too. Cheers, <font color="gray" face="Viner Hand ITC">Blooded Edge ( T • C • A ) 11:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

re: Stephen Crane FA
Oh, trust me, I'm taking a break from extensive article writing for a few months so I can concentrate on the real world; school, work, holidays, etc. It wasn't until Crane passed that I realized how exhausted I am with all of this extra research and such. Still, I'm glad it's finished and I gleefully have nothing in the works as of now. Freedom! Thanks for the congrats and good luck on your current projects. :) María ( habla con migo ) 12:13, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Jose Mourinho
Your edits appear to be very constructive. However, it would be preferable to implement them in fewer attempts. Cheers. -The Gnome (talk) 17:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Drogba and Tebily
Hi, I wish that last time I removed the Olivier Tébily myth from the Didier Drogba article, I'd posted a version of the reason to the article talk instead of just to the relevant editor's talk, would have saved everybody the trouble. However, ...

Disappointingly, the writer of this article from The Times, or his lazy researcher, appears to have sourced the background stuff for the piece from Wikipedia. At the time (e.g. the 26 Dec 2006 version), the Wiki article did contain the "fact" that Drogba and Tébily are cousins, for which the only evidence appears to be that they share a family name.

The player's official site makes no mention of Tébily, nor does it mention another move after returning to his parents at Antony, near Paris, as a 15-year-old. The Levallois club which Drogba joined was the local professional club, based only a few miles from Antony. The Times article says that Tébily was at Chateauroux when Drogba was supposed to be living with him. In 1993, Tébily wasn't a professional player, and he didn't join Chateauroux until five years later; he was a 17-year-old boy in the youth academy at Niort (some 400km from Drogba's Paris suburban club, which would be a hellofa long way for him to go to training after school).

I've just taken the last couple of sentences from the Early life section out, it makes sense like that but you may want to tidy up the flow. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Two of my very first Wiki edits were to remove exactly the same thing, albeit unsourced from Drogba and something similar from Tébily, and they've cropped up from time to time ever since. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:37, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

'The preferred spelling is "Manchester"'
That's brilliant. I love it! – PeeJay 19:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That is weird. I'll give the article a once-over when I get some time, but right now, I'm going out! Wahey! – PeeJay 20:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah cheers dude. I'll still give it a look when I get some time though. – PeeJay 21:41, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

That's Ridiculous
It's not even funny. Thank you so so so much for your peer review for Avatar: The Last Airbender (season 2). It is very much appreciated, so much so that I can only do so with:

Gerrard
Hey no problem. The page is a mess, I've just got a huge list of things to do before I could get to that, so I'll leave it to you! Any help you need though, let me know --Ged UK (talk) 21:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah, but if they really want to know, they just click on the link. *shrug* --Ged UK (talk) 22:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

The Orphanage
That would be great help! Thanks for taking an interest in the article. Also, good job on Getting Jeff Buckley to GA status too. :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:40, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Mascherano
"With heels maybe...." Nice. :) sixty nine   • spill it •  03:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)