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Bill Smith (fell runner)
Thanks for the kind words, which is the only positive feedback I've gotten. The edit history was affected by the ever growing reports in a heckuvalot of sources. I also got accused of plagiarism by one of our esteemed admins, who was hallucinating (and I am trying to be WP:civil); trying to make sure that no three words were shared in common with the more than 30 sources wasn't easy. I'm going to avoid doing comprehensive articles like this again, avoid quoting, and avoid this kind of needless effort, at least if I am thinking about getting a DYK. I'm tired of the horseshit I've encountered there. I've vastly cut back on my editing as a result. Even as they granted the DYK they negatively opined about the form and sourcing of the article; which is (IMHO) a helluva lot better than 90% of the DYKs one sees. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 11:06, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Ajanta Caves
By, do you mean that the stuff removed (most of the article) is a WP:COPYVIO? It is not clear that it is WP:OR, indeed this doesn't look likely. If so, can you add a note at the talk, saying which work etc. Thanks. Johnbod (talk) 14:02, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for the explanation. I have reverted - I'll copy this to the talk and explain why. Johnbod (talk) 14:48, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

History of Maharashtra
Good call - I tried to save something, sadly 80% had to go - all from the book "Maharashtra". Not sure if that leaves a viable article. Maybe someone will clean up.  Ron h jones (Talk) 23:43, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination
Your nomination of Template:Did you know nominations/Solonei da Silva is not yet complete. You still need to do step 3 of the instructions. r ʨ anaɢ (talk) 04:51, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
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New discussion occurring – Increasing portal visibility
I liked your idea about having a portal links tab on the main Wikipedia page. This would increase viewer awareness about the existence of portals, and would very likely be conducive toward overall portal improvement. If more people become aware of the portals, then more people will likely contribute to them.

I've started a new discussion with a specific focus upon increasing portal visibility on the portal discussion page here: Wikipedia talk: Portal - Ideas to increase portal visibility. — Northamerica1000 (talk) 05:50, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

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U. S. Open Track and Field
Yes I must admit, the its a disappointment to see a 98 year old tradition so willingly pushed aside. You'd think they'd try to work with each other. But I was in the highest level meetings at USATF and their spin was just to push the new meet (and cast the old one aside in ignoring it). They have assumed the "tradition" of the elite events at Millrose, but apparently now Millrose is the high school/community meet and not at MSG. It wasn't in their self serving press release, I had to use the word displace as my more neutral analytical judgement. And obviously by getting into those meetings, I have some rank myself within USATF. Trackinfo (talk) 00:31, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hello if women's sports fascinate you: WikiProject Women's sport and Portal:Women's sport, --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève  (talk) 00:07, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

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iihf worlds
I left a note on the talk page about the IIHF rules for eligibility, together with an official source that may answer the 'gender' issue. Additionally the rules have some prohibitions for underage players, but I don't know if adding those details to the page are helpful, or just clutter.18abruce (talk) 17:34, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

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Re:AthResult template
Hi. Great idea with the template. Saves lots of time, especially when creating a new table from scratch. I'll try to give you more feedback when I use it some more. Good work! Pietaster (talk) 14:59, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi SFB. Also appreciate your work! First Comments:

1.) Missing Competitions (first guess on existing WP articles): Athletics at the South American Games (ODESUR), Central American Games, Bolivarian Games. NACAC Championships, Oceania Athletics Championships.  There might also emerge a future top athlete from the Central American and Caribbean Age Group Championships.

2.) With respect to Central American and Caribbean Junior Championships in Athletics and CARIFTA Games: both are combined junior/youth competitions (same place, same time, but different events, own medals,...).  Proposition to introduce something like "CARJ" and "CARY", and "CACJC" and "CACYC" for differentiation.

3.) Gender: Junior and Youth competitions often use "Boys" and "Girls" rather than "Men" and "Women".

However: In the Bios of the athletes winning medals at the CARIFTA Games, I used (intentionally) the rather than the  because it is much less work. There is similar information when both tables are present (problem of redundancy).

Greetings. CroesJ (talk) 15:08, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hi SFB;

No Bolivarian Games in your AthResult template?

CroesJ (talk) 20:53, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi SFB;

Thanks. Appears to work perfect (see here).

CroesJ (talk) 21:38, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi SFB: Any chance to get the Central American Games in the AthResult template?

And by the way: not so urgent, but kids grow up. Shaunae Miller, Luan Gabriel, and Delano Davis have already their own bios, and there is still no Central American and Caribbean Age Group Championships tag in the AthResult template (see above).

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New Year Ekiden
Glad someone else is involved with this topic and helping make the pages conform. Regarding what I did on the New Year Ekiden page, it was an attempt to show that New Year Ekiden is the informal name of one of two races that constitute the Japan Corporate Ekiden Championships (the women being in December, the men on new year's day). I also wanted to situate the two races in the context of their qualification rounds, which these two championships partly share. I did the same approach on All-Japan_Women's_Corporate_Ekiden_Championships. I did not intend for full discussion of the women's race on the men's page and vice versa, but sought at least some cross-referencing and framework building. Is there room for discussion on what should be at the top of the New Year Ekiden page? This is the first time I have used the talk page, so not sure if I have done this right. KantoKaze (talk) 14:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

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PSD Bank Meeting
Hi. The reference is just about the 2008 competition! It's not about the history (2006-2007)! Info about current meeting would be more helpful.Montell 74 (talk) 22:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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 * You're right. This is a notable fact regarding 2008 (!) competition. So I changed the intro. Unfortunately the reference link doesn't work.Montell 74 (talk) 21:04, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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Henryk Grabowski (athlete)
Thanks for the little expansion!  Lugnuts  (talk) 07:22, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks for creating it. Maybe one day I will learn that writing biographies is an impossibly large task! SFB 17:11, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Look at this red link: Athletics Biography guidelines
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Thank you for approving my DYK nom for Moucherotte. I am curious; did you see my message on User talk:Jrcla2, or did you approve it <5 seconds after I posted that coincidentally?-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 20:00, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. No, it was just a coincidence! I was looking for a back-logged hook and yours was one of the first to be waiting without a proper response. SFB 20:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! I just noticed the move and thought I'd finish things up. Cheers. SFB 17:32, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Olympics templates
Identical The only difference is that one of them accidentally omits military patrol and several demonstration sports, while the more complete (and accurate) template also includes unofficial sports. Why wouldn't they be merged/redirected? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:56, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Why? When would you ever use the one that's just about the sport versus the one that contextualizes it about the Olympics? If someone wants to know about cricket in general, he can learn about it from Cricket at the Olympics. Again, the redirected template was also missing several events, so it makes no sense to me to have a navbox on some articles (which ones?) interlinking the sports in general but not all of them. How is this useful? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Navigation But if you're reading about tennis in general what are the odds that you care that it's an Olympic sport and so is taekwondo? I understand if you're reading about Olympic tennis and want to get to Olympic long jump--that seems reasonable. It just seems fantastical to me that anyone is using these to navigate between these sports due to the fact that they're in the Olympics, but then not actually read about them as Olympic events. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:40, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * TfD If you want to revert, that's reasonable. I'll post it to TfD and we'll see if others find it useful for navigation. Thanks. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:44, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

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Why not?
If you do a random tour in some of the FPs, you'll see that many others have much less of the Portal:Athletics. And the fact that the Portal:Athletics can not he be a FP, it sounds to me like a small injustice. --Kasper2006 (talk) 11:26, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Statement of gender
Hello Sillyfolkboy, please see my reply to your comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women's sport. Kaldari (talk) 18:36, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

My complaints
Thanks for your comments on my missives. First off, no I'm not going away. "That that doesn't kill me makes me stronger." So I get pissed off by idiots, stupid admins and the echo chamber. Recent stuff. But this sport is too much of my life to walk away from it and as a journalist, I am a firm believer in public information.

My editing usually comes in strangely timed bursts. I get windows of waiting time on the computer amid other projects. Those projects might get bigger and my bursts might be fewer, but I won't disappear. Before that chaos starts, I should be available to write the analyses of the Olympic track events as I did at the WCs. My input will be tape delayed as they embargo feeds to the USA. Our Olympic Trials coming up in a couple of weeks might merit such activity, but we don't have the other staff with the same interest--obviously. We didn't even have a proper mention of our trials on WP until I wrote it a few years back.

I've experimented with things that are format driven here. My initial conclusion was to avoid doing that again. You are welcome to show me any shortcuts along the way. I learned Twinkle, it has been very useful vs the vandals. Seriously, how many idiots need to insert their name in place of Usain Bolt's? Trackinfo (talk) 23:26, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Elisa Cusma has deleted her second surname?
The question is controversial. In this article from the August 19, 2009 would seem yes. The article said: «...she has made ​​remove the accent that betrays no noble origins, together with another surname.» Maybe then that IAAF and FIDAL have not updated their score boxes. --Kasper2006 (talk) 02:51, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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A little help
I created this article José Bencosme like we know in Italy José Reynaldo Bencosme de Leon. I know that this is the full name but how you can see here and I used the line "full name" of the infobox to remark this, but everybody know that the athlete simply known as José Bencosme (like "Massimiliano Biaggi" is simply Max Biaggi). But User:Enzino, don't respect my job and he moved first to José Reynaldo Bencosme de Leon and when I re-moved explain that I told you, he re-moved to José Reynaldo Bencos what???!!! Help, because Enzino is know as a bolder that does not listen to others. :-( --Kasper2006 (talk) 23:51, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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Use flagicon next to the name of the city not confuses
Monte Carlo and Jakarta does not lead to confusion. It is enough to move the mouse over the flag to realize what nation belongs to the city. However I would not have problems to change the way of representing the city (even if this mode is used in most parts of wikipedia), just show me a discussion where the line that you suggest me it was decided by the community. Or at least only recommended, such as was, for example, for Centralized discussion/Image placeholders. --Kasper2006 (talk) 04:33, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
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 * The issue that this style presents is very obvious. The idea that no confusion arises is demonstrably false. Besides that, can you give me one way in which these flags are superior to the written country name? SFB 16:12, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. Now is like in Multi-sport events host nations. --Kasper2006 (talk) 16:22, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

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Enzino: pay attention!
He is a really annoying, does work very cocky and does not accept to be contradicted. Look this revert. --Kasper2006 (talk) 20:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I do contest, I do accept contradictions (but Kasper2006 wrote to me in Italian and undo some of my contributions annoying and cockying too…--Enzino (talk) 21:08, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * For example, for Nilson Andrè, as you asked to me, IAAF gives this version (and not André). I was surprised myself because André should be the normal portuguese form but in an Italian-like name, Andrè is also possible.--Enzino (talk) 21:31, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Ethan &#124;  talk.  15:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

FYI
I though you might be interested in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Olympics since I think it is something we've discussed in WP:ATHLETICS previously. Cheers! Location (talk) 19:20, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Doping
Thank you for adding that doping section to the article Athletics at the 2012 Summer Olympics. Was a good read! I have a short question about the article too – do you think Personal and Season Bests should be added to the medalists' results as the World, Olympic and National Records are? Jared Preston (talk) 18:14, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Gettting Wikimedians to the Olympic Games
Hi. I am part of an effort to get Wikimedians access to the 2016 Summer Olympics as accredited reporters and photographers. Part of this effort includes covering the 2012 Summer Paralympics. Two Wikimedians have credentials to attend these games as reporters through Wikimedia Australia. As English Wikipedia does not allow original reporting, this is largely through Wikinews with a project page found at Wikinews:Paralympic Games. If you are interested in helping to get Wikimedians to the next Summer Olympics,I'd encourage you to assist with Wikinews efforts, and also to work on all language 2012 Summer Paralympic Wikipedia articles before, during and after the Games to demonstrate a track record of success. Thank you. --LauraHale (talk) 04:15, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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Eponymous categories
I dont get it. why didnt anyone fix Category:John Lennon? we have thousands of categories like this, most of them are of course nested in bigger categories. i was wondering why, say, Apple Computer's category was not categorized. i now think this is why some categories are not further categorized. I will go ahead and recategorize john lennon. do you know of any way to spot such fake dead end or top level categories? I found one, but lost it. (honestly, cant find it again!). i know about wikipedia:uncategorized categories, which is out of date.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:54, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, i suspected this was what had happened with your concerns. i too often leave a discussion, expecting that the necessary followup work will be done by closers, only to find loose ends when i return months later. This, however, needs a lot of work to fix up right. IF we really want this "eponymous categories", then we HAVE to use it more, and have to set guidelines about whether we want nonadministrative categories to stop before reaching a top level cat, and continue as administrative categories the rest of the way up. I think thats nuts, but so far we seem to be doing that a lot. Ill probably make a bunch of edits, and maybe start a discussion somewhere. thanks for caring.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 01:47, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * For example, is [this edit] rational at all? why is this being done? i dont understand. Where do you think this can be brought up?Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:02, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

2012 South American Under-23 Championships in Athletics
Hi Sillyfolkboy. I created the article 2012 South American Under-23 Championships in Athletics based on the previous edition to keep the same format. I would appreciate if you can review. Thanks, Jonas kam (talk) 05:33, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Addition to Template:Medal templates documentation and problem with IOP medallists
Contacting you as you are the first contributor to "Template:Medal". I have made an addition to the documentation based on the team time trial events at the 2012 UCI Road World Championships. Some time ago I came across the articles on the three medallists competing as Independent Olympic Participants: Jasna Šekarić, Aranka Binder and Stevan Pletikosić. On two of these "Competed as" was displayed incorrectly. Initial attempts to copy from "Jasna Šekarić" failed, but after we stopped using Infobox sportperson it worked. The solution was using the following instead of MedalCountry: |- bgcolor="#eeeeee" align=center ! colspan="4" | Competed as an  Would it be possible to include MedalAs with output "Competed as" as an alternative to MedalCountry? While checking that this was still a problem I noticed that the medal box on "Jasna Šekarić" groups the countries rather strangely by separating them only for the Olympics. Should that be changed? 88.88.167.157 (talk) 23:22, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added an extra option to allow for independent Olympic participants. Tell me if you need anything else. SFB 06:39, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have done the two remaining athletes and added it to the documentation. 88.88.167.157 (talk) 13:26, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Medal template
I just noticed Tommie Turner the medal template defaults to saying Olympic medal record. I should actually read the full results of an edit more often. You and I know, that's not appropriate in many cases (including the cited example). I don't know enough about templates to know how to fix this. Even the instructions do not show that the word Olympic should be in the template. It should just read Medal record. Trackinfo (talk) 10:10, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Category:B-Class Athletics articles
On 6 January 2011 you added "B class" to Dawn Burrell. For me is perfect, but some days ago an user lowered the class with some articles that I thought might be C class. What do you think? --Kasper2006 (talk) 08:30, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Christian Sanchez


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In your opinion could to be "athletes" or "track and field athletes"?
Here is: ''«This category is for competitors within the sport of athletics, comprising track and field, road running, cross country running and racewalking. For track and field athletes specifically, please use Category:Track and field athletes by nationality For sportspeople in general, please use Category:Sportspeople by nationality»''. Remember that Track and field Olympic events are 20 (100 m, 200 m. 400 m, 800 m, 1500 m, 5000 m, 10000 m, 110 hs, 400 hs, 3000 m st, hammer, discus, javelin throw, shot put, pole vault, high, long, triple and two relays reces). Athletics Olympic events are 3 (20 km, 50 race walk, marathon), but also "cross-country athletes" (middle and long distance runners) can't included in "track & field". Sure that athlete is a sportsperson but how would you call those who practice the sport of athletics? Here the discussion. --Kasper2006 (talk) 18:59, 28 December 2012 (UTC)