User talk:Silver seren/Archive 13

Tawakkol Karman
Wow, I guess you're just determined to pick at Jimbo.

''Jimbo himself has talked about multiple times before how we shouldn't be making changes before sources write about them, that we are supposed to reflect the news as it is reported and not make the news ourselves, that there is no problem in waiting for a news source to actually be published before making a change, because there is no deadline. Things don't need to be immediate.''

This wasn't news; WP had made a simple and easily remedied mistake, and the subject of a BLP communicated that. Jimmy Wales was sitting there with a Nobel laureate who told him WP had misspelled her name. The only polite and proper thing to do was fix it.

Did you bother to google her name? We didn't have to wait for her to write her name on a blog. (How silly!) She already had her name spelled the way she wants it on her blog. Notice the dates on all these pages:

http://www.tawakkolkarman.net/index.php?lng=english

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2011/karman.html

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/news-events/news/press-releases/karman-june-7-forum

http://www.infoplease.com/biography/var/tawakkolkarman.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/arts-post/post/tawakkol-karman-brings-her-steadfast-chant-to-global-leadership-awards/2012/06/07/gJQAYyfgLV_blog.html

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2011/10/07/who_is_tawakkul_karman_.html

I guess you missed that you're just the sort of WP editor John Carney was mocking. He calls the mindset "infinite regress." Yopienso (talk) 23:03, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It doesn't change the fact that he didn't apply a reference for the change. Furthermore, can you explain the Will.I.am change? Because every news source i'm looking at says he has a middle name. Silver  seren C 23:08, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * You really don't get the 5th Pillar, do you? Or apply what I assume is your ample common sense to this problem.
 * Will.i.am. Do you mean news sources? or WP mirrors and copiers?


 * http://iam-fan.com/biography/


 * http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2155151/Just-From-Olympic-torch-Diamond-Jubilee-US-star-gatecrashed-celebrations.html "Such reticence is unusual for the attention-seeking will.i.am, 37, born plain William Adams in one of the poorest parts of Los Angeles."


 * http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2092543/Will-says-Cheryl-Cole-wont-returning-X-Factor.html"But will.i.am - real name William Adams--" Yopienso (talk) 23:34, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I meant things like:


 * "the 37-year-old -- real name William James Adams -- told a student audience." - News.com.au
 * "At the JPL event, the artist, born William James Adams Jr., also announced..." - Billboard
 * "When it comes to making hit records, few are as consistent as William James Adams Jr., or Will.I.Am." - NPR
 * "William James Adams Jr., better known as Will.i.am of the popular music group Black Eyed Peas, was named Intel's new director of creative innovation" - PC World


 * Do I need to go on? Silver  seren C 23:54, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

ANI
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Müdigkeit (talk) 14:00, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Greetings
Hello Silver seren. Thank you for your kindness and concern. I don't want to side track the name discussion with text not directly related to that discussion, so I answer you here. I am otherwise fine, but my writing problems are practically inculcated in me. I am often criticized, and I am trying to improve. Yet I have such bad tendencies. So I add things which I think aid understanding but they most often detract. The "sloth" comment I made recently in re to you is an example. I shouldn't have put it in to start with, let alone assume everyone would understand my meaning. Then TDA reads it and thinks I've taken a shot at them; carrying ill feelings until I return and post a correction. And that I missed the quote in the source until TDA pointed it out, and I can't believe it got past me. It blows my mind at times, because those are exactly the things I am trying to avoid. The whole mess for me started at my first RfA, and has plagued my conscious ever since. So that is kind of it, in a shell. But again, thanks for inquiring. 76 Strat String da Broke da (talk) 06:21, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, no worries. Yeah, I can understand how difficult it is to make sure what you say is taken with your intended meaning. All of this being on the internet probably doesn't help in that regard. It just takes practice, really. Internet-speaking generally leads to the necessity of speaking precisely and, if you're concerned about not being understood, explaining explicitly what you mean. Even to the point of redundancy if it's necessary.


 * And you really shouldn't be so concerned about what other people think about your or how you write. Take the comments into consideration, sure, but don't focus on them if they are ultimately not based on anything useful.


 * Heh, you should check out the Encyclopedia Dramatica.se article on me. Someone recently added a section about my writing style. I do have to applaud them, as it really is rather scathing, unlike the rest of the article. I kinda wish that person would rewrite the rest of it to be more insulting. It's kind of disappointing to have a lackluster criticism page about oneself. But, anyways, i'm rambling.


 * Ultimately, try not to worry about it so much. Silver  seren C 07:29, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Recent PG&E draft
Hi Silverseren, I recently posted a new request on the PG&E talk page regarding my most recent draft for the article's history section. As of today I have not received a response from any editors. I was wondering if you might have time to check out the request and the draft, and let me know what you think. Thanks, PParmley (talk) 17:56, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Apologies for taking so long to respond to this. I'll do my best to look over everything tomorrow. I've just been rather busy. Silver  seren C 05:49, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Silverseren. And no worries! I'll also ask Hobbes Goodyear to review the draft as he has been helpful before. Thanks again, PParmley (talk) 21:24, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Silverseren, the editors Kiefer Wolfowitz and Hobbes Goodyear have left comments on the draft, both of them positive. I believe there's nothing else needed for this draft except to move it into the article. Please let me know if there is anything else I should do. Thanks, PParmley (talk) 17:07, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi - undid some additional information
Gay and Lesbian Kingdom of the Coral Sea Islands

In this you reverted an edit in which I indicated that anyone visiting this area from somewhere other than Australia needs a visa - Given this area is actually a territory of the Australian Commonwealth this is an indisputable fact. See this wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Sea_Islands

A warning to people not to just visit because they are gay or lesbian is appropriate because they will be breaking Australian law otherwise.

Yendor of yinn (talk) 08:29, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If that information is true, then you need a reliable source (i.e. a news article, a book, or an academic paper) that says so. Otherwise, it's just original research on your part. Silver  seren C 13:48, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I can't believe I'm having justify this - have a look here - the Tourism Australia website which is run by the Australian Department of Tourism... i.e. the Australian Government which have sovereignty over the Coral Sea Islands. http://www.australia.com/plan/before-you-go/planning-a-trip.aspx" Or maybe the Department of Immigration http://www.immi.gov.au/immigration/ if you visit any part of Australia you require a VISA!!!! This is not nuclear science, nearly every country in the world requires visas. It is not original research it is common knowledge. Can you cite a source that says there is no need for a visa? In the absence of such information I suggest that it is appropriate to indicate to readers that Australian Laws apply to the these islands.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yendor of yinn (talk • contribs) 10:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

failing all that: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/csia1969158/ ... If you need evidence that Australia exists as well, I'm afraid I cannot help you.Yendor of yinn (talk) 10:16, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No, see, what i'm disputing is that you need a visa to go there. I can cite the sources that say that they accept anyone that is LGBT to them under similar rules like Israel's right of return laws. However, I have no corresponding sources that, say, have a warning from Australian officials that you need a visa to go there. So I am challenging that information that you added and, per WP:V, you need to provide a source that specifically backs it up. Silver  seren C 18:22, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Australia governs the Coral Sea Islands territory which is the area claimed as the Gay and Lesbian Kingdom of the Coral Sea. People visiting Australia require a visa:

Visas "Unless you are an Australian or New Zealand citizen, you will need a visa to enter Australia. New Zealand passport holders can apply for a visa upon arrival in the country. All other passport holders must apply for a visa before leaving home. You can apply for a range of visas, including tourist visas and working holiday visas, at your nearest Australian Consulate. For more detailed information go to the Australian government Visas & Immigration website" http://www.australia.com/plan/before-you-go/planning-a-trip.aspx

Therefore, people trying to visit the Coral Sea Islands Territory because they are homosexual will still need an Australian Visa... what part of this can you not understand. Some things just don't need sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yendor of yinn (talk • contribs) 04:35, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I started a discussion here on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard to get some outside opinions on the subject. Please feel free to join in. Silver  seren C 05:05, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the discussion. Sorry I sounded grumpy. I guess it is original research (in the wikipedia sense) after all. I was seriously concerned about the presence of such an article on wikipedia with such poor references. The presence of the article itself is of concern given the lack of reliable information with it so, I guess I just wanted to let people know not to take the micronation too seriously. I will leave the article unchanged, however, I tend to agree with one of the people on the articles talk page. It probably should be deleted if no reliable sources can be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yendor of yinn (talk • contribs) 02:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Jerusalem
Hi, I would appreciate it if you'll add your opinion here: Talk:Jerusalem--Tritomex (talk) 18:51, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

A word of advice
I'm sure your comments on Jimbo's talk page accurately reflect your opinions of Dan Murphy and Gregory Kohs, but perhaps it isn't a good idea to express those opinions so publicly. Jimbo has been known to react poorly to such statements. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:20, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Discussion
Right! What could a professional researcher, editor and journalist with extensive experience in the Arab world, possibly have to say of value about writing non-fiction for a general-interest audience or about the politics and pitfalls of jumping into bed with the Saudi government? As a long time war correspondent, who has also worked closely with Arab dissidents (and the groups that help them), the odds that I might know anything about internet security challenges and dangers in the region are slim indeed. So best to plug up your ears, shout even worse than Greg Kohs!, and wait until the storm passes. (Isn't it a little early for us to be trotting out our Halloween bogeymen?) That said, "Silver's" slavish devotion to reading Wikipediocracy is duly noted and appreciated.Dan Murphy (talk) 17:24, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's take this to my talk page. Otherwise, this is just going to muddle the discussion. Silver  seren C 17:27, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't have an issue with your credentials, I have an issue with how you berate and belittle anyone you disagree with. It makes your opinion seem worthless and doesn't help your credibility. Silver  seren C 17:33, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * May I ask a favor? Could both of you remove the Gregory K mentions from Jimbo's page? He wasn't involved in this at all. &rarr;  Stani Stani  21:39, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Though you really shouldn't "meatpuppet" for him, as he always accuses me of doing. Silver  seren C 22:02, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the removal. &rarr;  Stani Stani  22:49, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Help with Bob Corker
Hi Silver seren, thank you for your help several weeks ago with the "Sale of protected wetlands" request I left on the Bob Corker Talk page. I have two more requests I'm hoping you might be able to help with. I posted them on the 11th and haven't had any success despite leaving requests on other talk pages. If you had a moment to review these requests I would appreciate it. The first request deals with two sections about Sen. Corker's Senate campaigns. The second request is about a small addition I think should be made to the "Blind trust" section of the article. Thanks. Mark from tn (talk) 13:13, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Silver seren, I've responded to MastCell's question on the Bob Corker Talk page about the 2006 RNC ad. If you can help with this, can you provide your thoughts there? Thanks. Mark from tn (talk) 19:17, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your help in trying to get other editors to review and discuss my Senate campaign sections request. I understand that this is just how Wikipedia works sometimes, so for now I'll have to leave the the 2006 Senate campaign section as it is. I wonder if you'd be comfortable completing the first part of that request though, the one about the 1994 senate campaign. It doesn't appear that there has been any objection to this change. I also just posted a new request on the talk page, I'd like to move a bit of information in Senator Corker's article to better organize it. Maybe you'll be able to help with that? Thanks again. Mark from tn (talk) 21:57, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

GibraltarPediA Options followup
You participated earlier in Wikipedia talk:Did you know/GibraltarPediA Options, in which a proposed moratorium on Gibraltar-related DYKs was rejected and a set of options was agreed. There is currently a suggestion from editors who did not participate in that discussion that a moratorium should be imposed, overturning the earlier agreement. If you have any views on this, please feel free to comment at Wikipedia talk:Did you know. Prioryman (talk) 21:08, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Your support of a site ban
So at least twice that I ca n see in my few seconds of looking. Perhaps a rethink? Darkness Shines (talk) 02:09, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but i'm still not seeing a full name. Are you seeing something different than me? Silver  seren C 02:16, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Other than common sense? Goggle is sometimes a friend, sometimes not. It is far from difficult to get mister O's name given his advocacy on certain matters over the years and what is here on wiki. I suspect you are allowing past feelings cloud your judgement, and yes I follow a lot of links and have read all about it. Your choice really, a cheap hit at a guy you want to get at, or honour. Darkness Shines (talk) 02:25, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Using Google to connect someone's identity on-wiki to their identity off-wiki is against WP:OUTING regardless of the difficulty of making such connections. This sort of outing, if posted on-wiki, is just as bad as any of the other outings done by Wikipediocracy members that took more work. I've actually been keeping a list, though i'm sure it's rather incomplete, considering they've been posting most private info on their secret wiki. But, regardless, please see User:Silver seren/WR Outing. Silver  seren C 02:31, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Silver I do not know nor care about Wikipediocracy, I care only about what is right. So should you. Take care. Darkness Shines (talk) 02:39, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As do I. Just as how I felt with Malleus too. Silver  seren C 02:42, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for the star on Historical figure. I was pulled into an AfD rescue on the article and got briefly addicted to books on different aspects and points of view. The further I got the more I realized how huge the subject is and how impossible to get anything close to a complete and balanced view. Trying to move it up to GA level would, I think, be impossible. I watched The Emperor's New Clothes (2001 film) again last night - a delightful movie. I give up. But I really appreciate the star. Thanks again, Aymatth2 (talk) 23:57, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Have a second look
I've removed nearly all the crap from Natural breast enhancement, and replaced it with reliable sources with significant coverage. Can you have a second look at the AfD, to either confirm your choice, or change your mind. IRWolfie- (talk) 23:11, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

ANI Notification
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. This notice is required due to your name being mentioned in an incident report regarding the Amber Lyon article. Best regards, Cindy  ( talk to me ) 16:26, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ninth Siege of Gibraltar
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

ANI
Hello. There is currently a discussion at WP:ANI regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User North8000 disruptive talk page editing at talk:Homophobia. Thank you. - MrX 19:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Occupy Sandy
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:04, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
The fact that I'm posting here probably makes the content of my post pretty obvious, but, just so you know, I replied to your comment at WP:AN/I. — Francophonie&#38;Androphilie (Je vous invite à me parler ) 10:29, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Your falsehood
Your claim here is false. Thekohser never provided the name or identity of User:Tariqabjotu. Thekohser provided a Google search results page with "About 758,000 results", based on key words and phrases provided on User:Tariqabjotu's own page, plus the word "LinkedIn". The identity of Tariqabjotu may or may not be contained somewhere on that Google results page, and Thekohser left it to the reader to decide -- numerous names were returned in the results, so "outing" could not have occurred. Wikipedia should not be used to defame living persons. 2001:558:1400:10:515F:CF0A:41D4:F30C (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * He specifically gave an exact search wherein the top result is the real identity. What difference is there between giving that specific result and linking to the LinkedIn page directly? The purpose of it is the exact same, to out someone. (And Kohser really needs to look up what a personal attack is.) Silver  seren C 21:38, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * P.S. It is funny seeing all of your reactions though. Silver  seren C 21:38, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The anon IP is right. It may be the number one result for you, but that does not imply that it is the number result for everyone. In fact, it is not. Now, Tariqabjotu has been outed in that Wikipediocracy thread because thekohser posted that link, but that wasn't by thekohser. Anyone who was curious could likely have found out Tariqabjotu's identity even more easily than that. Who was it that said "never let the facts get in the way of a good story"? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 22:22, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Semantics aside, it's clear that Thekohser wanted to publicize a Wikipedian's real-world identity, and succeeded in doing so. He provided no explanation of why he wanted to do this or what how his doing it constituted meaningful Wikipedia criticism or served any other useful purpose. Color me unimpressed, regardless of how he formulated his post there. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:54, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Exactly. The intent was to out or otherwise give the subject distress from the connection and subsequent criticism, regardless of how exactly the outing was accomplished. There was no need to make the link in the first place. Silver  seren C 01:54, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe that Thekohser's intent in posting about User:Tariqabjotu's real-world identity (as if Wikipedia is not in the "real world"?) was to illustrate how one user went to apparent trouble to obscure his or her identity on a public forum of knowledge, but provided so much documentation as to his or her educational history, it would be laughably easy to determine who that person probably is. "Outing" is something that potentially harms the person whose identity and associations are revealed.  The Wikipedia user Tariqabjotu has not been harmed one bit by his or her identity being potentially revealed, because that user (and the real-life person you assume him to be) haven't done anything to damage their reputation.  I mean, it's not like Tariqabjotu writes embarrassing sexual "fur fantasy" fiction in his spare time or anything, right?  Really, the "outing" you claim had taken place was only magnified and intensified by your involvement, Silver seren.  You're actually more guilty than Thekohser of anything, because you've trumped this up as some sort of violation of User:Tariqabjotu's privacy, which he or she has no expectation of maintaining on a public forum where he or she has disclosed ample personal credentials about him or herself.  And that's why we see you protesting so much -- you know you've stepped in it this time, and you're trying to blame the messenger.  Newyorkbrad should be ashamed, too, as his waving of hands only escalates the drama. 2001:558:1400:10:18E7:80CA:ED30:4204 (talk) 15:45, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Just for clarification, are you on a dynamic IP, or are you a different user from 2001:558:1400:10:515F? I don't know much about IPv6, myself. — Francophonie&#38;Androphilie (Je vous invite à me parler ) 15:52, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * NYB, I agree that thekohser was clearly drawing attention to this user and their real-life identity. I don't know if there was any reason for this, but it is fairly obvious that Tariqabjotu wasn't really trying to hide who they were. The idea that this is intended to "cause them distress" is complete nonsense. I doubt Tariqabjotu is watching Wikipediocracy to see if anyone says anything about them (unlike some people). I'm not even sure that they are aware that this happened, or would care. Silver seren is compiling this list for their own purposes, not out of any concern for the so-called victims. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Here's a downright crazy thought; has anyone asked Tariqabjotu what he thinks about all this? Tarc (talk) 16:17, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I hope Silver seren did, but I've left them a note just in case. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:43, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No, you were the first person to mention this to me. That being said, I don't know what the issue is here, other than the fact that this is the Streisand effect in play. While I don't like to agree with those who get their rocks off on exposing personal details about Wikipedia editors, the information needed to find out my identity is publicly posted on my userpage. I'm not new to the Internet; I know Google exists. That some people I don't know or care about found a LinkedIn profile that contains almost exactly the same information I have on my userpage is of no importance to me (although I should thank them for reminding me to update my photo there). And I have not been trying to hide my name by using a pseudonym; I just prefer not using it. After all, if you can be anyone you want to be on the Internet, why wouldn't you be?


 * Had I been far more esoteric or close to the vest, it would probably have heightened the interest in finding out personal information and increased the satisfaction that the "outer" would get from doing so. Seeing the commenters in the forum excited about the most basic of Google searches or the uncovering of the never-covered fact that my username is a portmanteau of several others is actually a bit adorable. --  tariq abjotu  21:20, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say anyone was "excited" about it.--The Devil&#39;s Advocate (talk) 22:35, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Me posting three words about it (later 5) on my user subpage isn't really the Streisand effect in play. The Wikipediocracy members arguing with me about it here is moreso, I would expect. Though DC is right, the list is compiled for my own purposes, though I am also concerned about the people outed on the website. Unfortunately, I can't exactly control what the users there say. I can, however, compile basic information on negative things they have done in order to eventually get the site blacklisted here. Silver  seren C 07:54, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Silver seren/WR and WO Outing
User:Silver seren/WR and WO Outing, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Silver seren/WR and WO Outing and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of User:Silver seren/WR and WO Outing during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. -- Eclipsed (talk) (email) (coi) 14:57, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Togakure-ryu article
Hi. You reverted my edit in defense of your lede, but a summary shouldn't be a direct quote from another section--it was the verbatim redundancy I was objecting to. But it's probably fine for now. Also, I wanted to add in some clarification on the style, which I'd put in the intro (and still think they deserve to be in the intro, because the current descriptor is misleading and extremely vague). So added that into the "Style" section instead. Kosmocentric (talk) 15:03, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a much better way of doing it, because ledes should have references to a minimum and if the information can be added to a section in the body of the article, then it's better. Silver  seren C 20:48, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Canvassing
I believe that systematic canvassing at AfD, which in the current case appears to involve every editor casting a !vote with which you do not agree, is not recommended. Consensus is in any case borderline; may I suggest, in the spirit of comradeship, that at this point you should leave the article and the Afd and just walk away? --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 20:09, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Informing everyone that information was missing from the article is not canvassing. I have done the same thing multiple times before in previous AfDs where I improved the article. That's the whole point of improving the article, to then have the delete voters to take another look. And I didn't tell any of you to change your vote, just to take another look because of the improvements. Silver  seren C 20:47, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/The7stars (2nd nomination)
I have reviewed the additions you have made to the above referenced article and commented in the AFD. Thanks for your work. It does not go unnoticed. Best regards, Cindy  ( talk to me ) 07:56, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

MMA Event Notability
You are invited to join the discussion at WT:MMA. Kevlar (talk) 19:11, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Season's tidings!
To you and yours, Have a Merry ______ (fill in the blank) and Happy New Year! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:48, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Cracker Barrel TFA
Hi Silver seren, I'm leaving you a note to inform you I've put the Cracker Barrel article up for nomination to appear as a Today's Featured Article on the main page in the near future. If you have any concerns, feel free to address them on my talk page, or on the request page. Thanks--Chimino (talk) 04:34, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Robb Alvey (2nd nomination)
Perhaps a matter of semantics, but Delldot is not a new user/single purpose account. You may have a point about the rest (well, you do have a point about the rest). I think any subsequent AfD is likely to end roughly the same way, and G4 is no longer arguable, so I don't think there's any practical difference in reclosing as keep. If you're really concerned, I'll give it some more thought, but my first inclination is to say it's not worth worrying about. Wily D 15:05, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Main page appearance: Cracker Barrel
This is a note to let the main editors of Cracker Barrel know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on January 11, 2013. You can view the TFA blurb at Today's featured article/January 11, 2013. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask featured article director or his delegates, , and , or start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you can change it—following the instructions at Today's featured article/requests/instructions. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Cracker Barrel Old Country Store, Inc. is an American chain of combined restaurant and gift stores with a Southern country theme. The company was founded by Dan Evins in 1969; its first store was in Lebanon, Tennessee, which remains the company headquarters. As of 2012, the chain operates 620 stores in 42 states. Its menu is based on traditional Southern cuisine, with appearance and decor designed to resemble an old-fashioned general store. Cracker Barrel is known for its partnerships with country music artists, and has received attention for its charitable activities, such as its assistance of victims of Hurricane Katrina and injured war veterans. During the 1990s, the company was the subject of controversy for its official stance against gay and lesbian employees and for discriminatory practices against African American and female employees. Following an agreement with the US Department of Justice and the implementation of non-discrimination policies, the company has focused on improving minority representation and civic involvement. Company shareholders added sexual orientation to the company's non-discrimination policy in 2002. UcuchaBot (talk) 23:02, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Could you take a look?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kony_2012/GA1 --Niemti (talk) 19:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, sure
And I thought you noticed the review. --Niemti (talk) 14:08, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Addition of screenshot to Mindjet (software) article
Hi Silver seren. Thanks again for your help getting the MindManager article updated and moved over to Mindjet (software). I'm wondering if you might be able to help with one more thing—adding a screenshot (which I've uploaded here: File:Screenshot_of_Mindjet_for_Windows%2C_early_2013.png) to the infobox on that article, paralleling other software articles like Microsoft Security Essentials, and giving it the caption "Mindjet for Windows". Do you think you might be able to move this into the article for me? Thanks! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 14:44, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Silver  seren C 22:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Thanks so much for your help! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 01:05, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Selam
Sen Türk müsün ? ''--This unsigned article written by: User:Aguzer 14:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Seren. Thank you for this. Please feel free to ask anything you want to learn abot the issue. Have a nice day.--Rapsar (talk) 15:10, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Jimbo Wales
Hi, I noticed your response there. One of the commenting user on the RfC (Aguzer) seems to be more interested in trolling rather than reaching a consensus. Normally I wouldn't care too much about that as trolls are best left alone however particularly his or her hate speech towards homosexuals, demands for sharia law (I am guessing to rule the wiki) and his or her persistence to force in an off topic content dispute is a concern. I am worried that such remarks may distract readers from the actual problem that you have eloquently summarized already. I merely wanted to provide a heads-up on the possible problem. -- A Certain White Cat chi? 19:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Notification
As you were one of a number of editors who participated in Wikipedia talk:Did you know/GibraltarPediA Options last September, I thought I would notify you that I have suggested a change to the wording of the restrictions to clarify what is being restricted. Please see WT:DYK for the details. Prioryman (talk) 22:10, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Chief of Staff of the French Army
I've been looking at Chief of Staff of the French Army and was a bit puzzled to find a John Brown listed there. You added that with this edit. Do you have a source for that? I'm not entirely sure the rest of the list is that accurate either, but that John Brown entry really stuck out like a sore thumb. Carcharoth (talk) 23:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I seriously don't remember, that was a long time ago. Feel free to change it to whomever is the correct person. I do remember that I was getting a lot of conflicting information about who was chief of staff during which time period. Some history books even directly conflicted with time periods and different people. Silver  seren C 00:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I know that Joffre was commander-in-chief for the period given there, not chief of staff. And the source provided at the article clearly states that he was commander-in-chief. So whoever added that source misunderstood the source and the names of the roles. The same applies to Nivelle, who was commander-in-chief, not chief of staff. I would start by checking all the sources provided, discarding anything that seems to have been misunderstood, and then start again from scratch. Or just start again from scratch. As I don't have time to do that now, you should really go back and check your edits and undo them if they are clearly wrong, as some of them are. It's not even a source that was added there, but an URL for a Google Books search result. Google searching is useful to find a source (with care), but just copying the URL of the 'hit' from the search is sloppy. It even says at the top "Result 17 of 27 in this book for "Joseph Joffre" French Army Chief of Staff". The correct way to link is to pick out only the bit of the URL that is needed, like this. But maybe you know that by now. Anyway, apologies if I seem a bit irate here, but that article is a mess that someone is going to have to clean up. Carcharoth (talk) 00:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Dropping back here to let you know that I managed to work out what the mix-up with John Brown was. That is a translation of his name! There is an article on the French wikipedia at fr:Jean Brun (général). I made a crack at extending and adding to the list, and explaining at least one of the name changes to the position over time, but I'm not sure how far back the list should go. I'm going to follow-up my original note at the MILHIST project talk page, but thought you might want to know what the latest was. Oh, and I'm sorry for what I said above and being a bit irate there. It turns out that Joffre and Nivelle should indeed be on that list, I was focusing too much on the role of chief of staff (similar to an aide-de-camp) rather than the formal title as overall leader of the army (which is what this list is about). Anyway, see what you think. Carcharoth (talk) 01:34, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Sig Mejdal
Thanks for catching that so quickly. Sig feels a COI disclosure may give the appearance that he is marketing himself for a job and create real-world consequences, so a big comment on the front page was actually a serious BLP problem ;-) CorporateM (Talk) 14:39, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Türkçe vikiye bakılırsa yine gocunanlar karışılmaması için işbirliği yapıyor. ''--This unsigned article written by: User:Aguzer 12:40, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Abandoned Drafts/Suzanne M. Olsson
This should really go to MfD. What we've done here is given her a biography on Wikipedia, draft or not. You search for her name and you get, noindex template notwithstanding. She uses Wikipedia to publicise herself and her ideas (see her posts at WP:COIN and her talk page. Dougweller (talk) 14:28, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Sysop abuse on the Turkish Wikipedia
Thank you for your interest and I appreciate your. But I think that Turkish Wikipedia is not appropriate place to discuss concerned problems. Because blocked users don't have the right to speak there. Takabeg (talk) 15:01, 28 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Pleas also note that, this RFC started by A Certain White Cat very well summarizes Nazif Ilbek's ban and reactions to that ban. 78.100.76.92 10:32, 2 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.100.76.92 (talk)

Abandoned draft User:Cliff.rigg/draft 1 on the Cleveland Ironstone Formation
Silver Seren, found this article a while back and wondered what to do - fell over your Abandoned Drafts project just now, and thought it might be worth moving this article to mainspace, if that's a done thing. Would be best if a geologist could look it over, of course. I worked on Bolckow Vaughan and related articles last year, so it would be wonderful to get Cleveland Ironstone Formation up and running. Happy to help in an inexpert way. All the best - Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:14, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It actually looks pretty mainspace ready already. It just needs some formatting changes, which I can do right now. And we don't have any equivalent article in mainspace yet, so this is an awesome find. Thanks for informing me. Silver  seren C 02:23, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm really pleased to see it as it has strengthened the other articles in that area. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:09, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Trilatic Group - Group’s most notable investments
Hi Silver, thanks for getting back to me on the Talk section of the Trilantic Group article. Would you mind having a look at my recent suggestions? On another note, a Wikipedia editor has removed a large chunk of content from the article. I just wanted to flag this to you, somebody should oversee their actions. Let me know what you think, Best Kt1502 (talk) 21:27, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Cracker Barrel help?
Hi there, Silver. It's been awhile since we last traded messages; I hope all's well with you. Over the last week I talked with User:Jerem43 about some changes to Cracker Barrel (a new section) and we found consensus (see here) for two changes: correcting the type of foods licensed, and replacing a confusing sentence with a much clearer one. Only drawback: he's suggested I edit directly, and I'd prefer to avoid it for obvious COI reasons. (I am working with the company again, although just a brief engagement.) Since you helped so much on this article last year, would you be willing to review and implement if you agree? I'd also posted a notice about this at WP:PAIDHELP but it seems that page is getting a little backlogged. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 16:43, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help, and I apologize for the delay in my reply—I was away from my computer for most of the weekend. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 15:00, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Notification of discussion
A few months ago, you participated in a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Did you know about Gibraltar-related DYKs on the Main Page. I am proposing that the temporary restrictions on such DYKs, which were imposed in September 2012, should be lifted and have set out a case for doing so at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Gibraltar-related DYKs. If you have a view on this, please comment at that page. Prioryman (talk) 22:05, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

GibraltarpediA to-do list
Hi there, saw your message on Prioryman's talk page and just wanted to point you towards this to-do list. It's an old one originally meant for the Gib WikiProject but has been kept updated to also be used by GibraltarpediA. Hope it helps ;) --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 12:14, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * This business of seeing messages on other people's talk pages seems to be going around, I just saw yours on Gibmetal77's. :-) Might I suggest that you have a look at es:Algeciras and follow a few links to local places to find articles to translate? Do make sure though that they are properly sourced first. The Algeciran articles are actually pretty good with sourcing, thanks to a local editor who's done some really good work on the Spanish wiki, but there are some which are lacking in sourcing - don't waste your time with them. If you want a suggestion, try expanding Parque María Cristina here on the English wiki with translated material from es:Parque María Cristina on the Spanish wiki. Prioryman (talk) 23:19, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * There's also the list of wrecks in the Bay of Gibraltar which is in the to-do list I provided. They're not all in Gib. --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 12:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Trilantic's investments - next step
Hi there, have responded to your message but not sure if you get notified automatically. So, when you get a chance see my response Cheers Kt1502 (talk) 10:51, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Abandoned Drafts/Suzanne M. Olsson
Hmm, that an MfD notice wasn't added there is an oversight. I can restore it, though I'd feel obliged to relist it, given the outcome of the MfD. Alternatively, if you want to work on it, I'd be happy to restore it to your userspace if you intend to work on it. Either way, let me know. Wily D 07:02, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll do a procedural relist, and add your comment on my user_talk as a keep !vote. Wily D 09:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Palm oil
Hi Silverseren, thank you for your help on the Social and environmental impact of palm oil article a while ago. After you made those changes noticed an inaccuracy in the final paragraph of the article and a request to fix this that I made on the page has not received a response. If you wouldn't mind helping with one more request I would appreciate it. The Persuading governments section inaccurately connects The Nature Conservancy with a report on tropical deforestation that proposes the use of protectionist legislation to help prevent deforestation. However, as this article explains, The Nature Conservancy is not affiliated with the publication and has infact expressed criticism of arguments for protectionism that are put forward in the report. This report was actually commissioned by Avoided Deforestation Partners and the National Farmers Union. Would you be able to make this correction?

Also, if you have time I'm looking for a third opinion on a more recent request I left on the Palm oil talk page. An editor has agreed with my suggestion but would like another opinion before making any changes. Thanks in advance. YellowOwl (talk) 00:38, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for helping with the Persuading governments fix, your changes look very good. YellowOwl (talk) 21:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Discussion about BaaS Company Name Inclusion
Hi SilverSeren, Just wanted to see if you'd seen my response over at Paid Editor Help regarding the inclusion of company names on the Backend as a service article. I'm sure you're busy, but if you have time, I'd really appreciate you looking at this. Thanks! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 21:55, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Mr T (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 12:37, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Suzanne M. Olsson
Per this, having re-read it, I wasn't sure that you had actually volunteered to fix it, rather that you had suggested it could be worked on and someone else had volunteered you for you. I compounded the issue by suggesting I would help you with your forced volunteering. Anyway, I'm happy to work on it but I don't mind where it is moved to. Thoughts? Stalwart 111  22:39, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I am very willing to work on it. I just didn't give a specific answer regarding that because I don't know how free i'll be for the next week, since all of my university exams seem to be scrunched together right before Spring Break. I'll do what I can for now, but the bulk of my editing will probably come after Wednesday of next week. I would suggest we work on the draft together though and get it up to scratch before moving it to mainspace. Silver  seren C 23:20, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds good (good luck with the exams). I've also left a message at User talk:SuzanneOlsson. I'm not sure that she was actually made aware of that discussion so I thought she should know about it and the result. I also wondered if she had any strong objection to its creation, per WP:HARM. Are you planning to move it to your user space? Stalwart 111  23:30, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see any real need to move it away from the Wikiproject space. It's meant to be a collaborative effort anyways and we're the ones collaborating on it, it might as well stay where it is until we're ready to move it to mainspace. Silver  seren C 01:06, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Fine by me - I was just iffy about leaving it in the "abandoned drafts" space for much longer. But if we do it in the next couple of weeks it should be okay. Stalwart 111  01:24, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see what you mean. Well, there's two ways the drafts leave the Wikiproject. Either someone adopts them or they get improved while they're there and then put into mainspace. I've done quite a bit of the latter there myself. Silver  seren C 01:42, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well let's just leave it there for now. I suppose the "previous MFD" tag on the talk page should stop people from randomly deleting it for a couple of weeks at least. Stalwart 111  02:41, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

BP Talkback
Arturo at BP (talk) 23:59, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Your ArbCom comments
Thank you so much for seeing through the ruse that some editors are trying to pull over the community. I assume you've seen the threads in question, so no need for me to ask you anything further. I'd also like to point out that through threat of doxing and other outing I've been forced off of commenting on the case, and ArbCom will not do anything to protect my privacy and allow me to comment in any way. Thanks again :) gwickwire  talk editing 05:01, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this is really the last straw. Active doxing during a discussion in order to make the people in the discussion stop commenting is it. I think this needs to go all the away. Wikipediocracy cannot be allowed to maintain a presence if its members are going to be doing this. Silver  seren C 05:04, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I know. I'd rather not discuss publicly anymore, as no doubt this will be quoted on that thread in a few minutes, so if you use I'll not say exactly how to find me, but it shouldn't be too hard. Otherwise, I'll continue it here. I totally agree that Wikipediocracy has gone too far.  gwickwire  talk editing 05:06, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

FARA
Wouldn't someone working for a foreign national in a PR capacity have to register under FARA? . Throawat (talk) 13:26, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know? Why are you asking me this? Silver  seren C 21:05, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

COI questions
Hey Silver, I'm wondering if you think this request for comment draft would prove fair and useful? User:Ocaasi/coiquestions. Cheers, Ocaasit &#124; c 18:29, 8 March 2013 (UTC)