User talk:Silverhilt

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Quelch article
Hi, Silverhilt.

My knowledge of Quelch is extremely limited. I see no source for Old Roger older than Paine, so I think it's fine to revert to your last version. However, I'd like to get you in touch with Edward Foxe on the Pirate Mythtory page; he has a whole section on flags and he seems to think that Paine's version is correct, although he doesn't list the source. Foxe is usually at pains to debunk any flag not supported by primary sources, so it's surprising he missed this one. His e-mail address is ed_foxe@hotmail.com. I'm dropping him a line to tell him what you told me.

I may need to edit the article Jolly Roger to remove the attribution of "Old Roger" to Quelch, but I'll wait a few days first to see how this controversy develops.

A note on the "first case of judicial murder in America"; would not the Salem witch trials be an earlier case of judicial murder? Or do you consider the theory that some of the persons hanged were killed for their land to be insufficiently supported?

Pirate Dan 14:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Foxe got back to me and says that he agrees with you. His identification of the Paine version as real was based on David Cordingly, whom Foxe now believes to have been in error.  Unless further evidence turns up (he's still looking), Quelch's flag must be consigned to the realm of myth.


 * Feel free to do the revert at any time. I may do it myself if I have a chance soon, as there are some other changes that appear necessary to me.


 * Pirate Dan 18:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Quelch a lieutenant?
I noticed that your own version of the Quelch article refers to Quelch as Plowman's lieutenant.

This seems strange to me, as I thought lieutenant was an exclusively naval rank, not used aboard privateers. I have heard of privateers having mates and, of course, quartermasters, but not lieutenants. A quick computer scan of Dampier's New Voyage Around the World reveals no reference to a lieutenant aboard any of Dampier's privateer/buccaneer ships.

Are you certain from your research that Quelch was a lieutenant and not a master's mate or the like?

Pirate Dan 19:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Old Roger
You've made it clear in the article on Quelch that there is no primary source support for the man with the spear and the heart being Quelch's flag. I just wanted to clarify: is the name "Old Roger" also absent from the historical record before Pain?


 * Thank you. As you may see, I've reverted the article to your version, making some minor modifications of my own.  I'm also going to edit the Jolly Roger article soon to take out the inaccurate information regarding Quelch and Old Roger.Pirate Dan 03:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)