User talk:Simongarrett

Your submission at Articles for creation: Lanman Museum (April 3)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted because it included copyrighted content, which is not permitted on Wikipedia.

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AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:03, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia and copyright
Hello Simongarrett! While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.


 * You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and cite the source using an inline citation. You can read about this at Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
 * Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Close paraphrasing. Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify the information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research.
 * We have strict guidelines on the usage of copyrighted images. Fair use images must meet all ten of the non-free content criteria in order to be used in articles, or they will be deleted. To be used on Wikipedia, all other images must be made available under a free and open copyright license that allows commercial and derivative reuse.
 * If you own the copyright to the source you want to copy or are a legally designated agent, you may be able to license that text so that we can publish it here. Understand, though, that unlike many other sites, where a person can license their content for use there and retain non-free ownership, that is not possible at Wikipedia. Rather, the release of content must be irrevocable, to the world, into either the public domain (PD) or under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license. Please see Donating copyrighted materials.
 * Also note that Wikipedia articles may not be copied or translated without attribution. If you want to copy or translate from another Wikipedia project or article, you must follow the copyright attribution steps described at Copying within Wikipedia. See also Help:Translation.

It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, please ask them here on this page, or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 21:26, 3 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Forgive me as a new user I really don't understand how I should contact you. I left comments on your talk page, in considerable frustration.  Yes, the content I created used material from the lanman.uk website - with permission.  The photographs is mine.  Can you reinstate the text so I can mondify it appropriately, and if possible don't delete stuff without giving me the opportunity to amend it.
 * Simon Simongarrett (talk) 22:03, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand it is frustrating to have an article deleted, but we cannot host copyrighted material. Wikipedia accepts freely licensed content and the source site very clearly states "Copyright © 2023 The Lanman Museum".  You state that you have permission from the museum to use the content.  We will need verification of that permission.  See the note above where there is a bullet point starting with the text "If you own the copyright to the source you want to copy or are a legally designated agent..." which provides instruction on how the museum can donate the copyrighted material under a free license.  A VRT team member will review the permission statement, and if verified, then the draft can be restored.  But without that verification, I cannot restore the draft as it is against copyright policy. If you choose, you can start the article fresh writing in your own words.  That would not require any permission from the museum.
 * As for the photograph, that has not been deleted. It is still on Commons as c:File:Lanman Museum.jpg and you can use it in a new draft if that's what you end up doing. -- Whpq (talk) 22:34, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. Bit of a Catch 22 here, because there's not much information about the Lanman Museum that isn't on the Lanman Museum website, and nobody to write an article for Wikipedia that isn't connected in some way with the Museum.  I suspect that any article I write would use much of the same material as is on the website, and no amount of word-smithing would avoid it looking like the material on the website and thus fall foul of Wikipedia rules.  We could get caught in an endless game of ping-ponging possible drafts that are constantly rejected.  Rather than waste your time - or mine - I'll give it a rest for now.  It will be no great loss to the world - or to Wikipedia or the Lanman Museum - not to have Wikipedia article on the museum.
 * Thanks for your time,
 * Simon. Simongarrett (talk) 22:42, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Setting aside any copyright issue, the fact that there isn't much information about the museum except on their own web site would mean that an article about the museum would not meet Wikipedia's inclusion guidelines. You would need multiple independent reliable sources providing significant coverage about the museum in order to substantiate an article.  If all you have is the museum's own web site as a source, the draft would never be accepted for an article. -- Whpq (talk) 22:49, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Noted. Most of what I can think of or find by my research to say about the Lanman Museum is already on the website (and for a very good reason), which means that it may not be a suitable subject for a Wikipedia article, as you say. Rather odd that Wikipedia won't take articles where information is available only from a single source, but there it is.
 * Just a final thought: could I write a brief article that says the museum contains artefacts from Framlingham, and is based on the collection of the late Harold Lanman and is located in the Castle, in very few sentences, in my own words and without further information on the contents that is also on the museum's website? As a newcomer to Wikipedia it's hard to get my head around what is and isn't within the rules.
 * Thanks for the explanation,
 * Simon Simongarrett (talk) 23:24, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If the topic is not notable (Wikipedia jargon for meeting the inclusion criteria for an article), then any article you write on that topic is likely to be deleted. It may be okay to provide a very brief description of the museum in the Framlingham article, but ideally would need to be sourced to something other than the museum's own web site.  If you are affiliated with the museum, then you would have a conflict of interest and should not make any edits directly, but rather make edit requests on the article's talk page. -- Whpq (talk) 01:33, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining the Wikipedia principles at issue here. However, that may not work easily with very minor matters of interest such as small museums where multiple sourcing of information is difficult.  Look at other small museums cited in List of museums in Suffolk, many of which have short Wikipedia articles which I would guess don't meet strictly the guidelines as you describe them.  See for example Clifford Road Air Raid Shelter and at least two others I won't name as they contain substantial bodies of text copied from their own websites.  As so many other small museums in Suffolk do have Wikipedia entries I would argue that for completeness the Lanman Museum might have one too.  I'll have another go at an article - perhaps written by someone else - with as wide a base of information and wide range of references as I can find.  If that article reaches your attention I would ask for some discretion and judgement to be exercised before deleting an article that inevitably cites few sources of information but yet may be in the public interest to include.
 * Simon. Simongarrett (talk) 07:18, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention: if I find anyone else to write an article, I will obviously make sure that even if I provide any information, it must be their article. They should validate the source, accuracy and independence of any information, write the content themselves, and follow through any references to ensure the article is independent of the Museum itself.  I don't want to break Wikipedia's rules (Wikipedia has my strong support and I donate each year), I would like to help create articles that meet the criteria.  I have identified a few local historians with no connection to the Lanman Museum that might write an article.
 * Regards, Simon. Simongarrett (talk) 09:10, 4 April 2023 (UTC)