User talk:Sinai Horus

December 2013
Hello, I'm Sven Manguard. I noticed that you made a change to an article, 2013 Egyptian coup d'état, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Facebook is not a reliable third party source, and should not be used as a reference, especially in polarizing, contentious articles.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  05:11, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * the source is an ""'official'"" statement of an ""'official'"" page.
 * Huggle did not show the content as being moved, so it looked like it was being replaced. Apologies.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  05:35, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * never mind :)Amrtarek (talk) 05:45, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Ruby Murray. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Abdel Fattah el-Sisi without thoroughly explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry: I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Ruby  Murray  05:50, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

I am Mohamed Hassan. I have just reverted your edits to Abdel Fattah el-Sisi page as you have removed referenced and relevant information. Please try to edit within the Wikipedia neutral philosophy. I have also re-added referenced information you have removed from 2013 Egyptian coup d'état, which might have been due to new findings. However and again please try to keep an unbiased status.

2013 revolution
Amr, first of all i would like to thank you for your contributions on improving articles related to the Egyptian military. Finally, i'm optimistic about your role in this article and i hope the best comes out of your contributions because this will be a very controversial article in the future. Cheers! Fitzcarmalan (talk) 10:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Before the article grabs the attention of other users, i just wanted to ask you to stick to a more neutral language and keep your love for the military aside for now while editing.
 * 2) Better sources should be used because blogs and sites like "Listen To the Red Shaman And Friends" are unreliable sources. The numbers were extremely huge yes, but no current reliable sources confirm the 33 million protesters. I've looked all over the internet for it and all i found was sources referring to one military source. And by the way, the number does sound too big in my opinion. Just say "according to a military source" to prevent future edit wars with pro-MB users who will later start to edit. The more edit conflicts, the more the article's credibility is undermined and we want to create the best article there is. There are also no proper sources saying the demonstrations were the largest in history and the ones that do always refer to a tweet by Sawiris.
 * 3) Another thing i noticed in your edits is the capitalization of words in the middle of phrases like this: The Egyptian Armed Forces has it's influence on the P olitics in Egypt, Egyptian E conomy and it exempts itself from laws that apply to other sectors. as T he A rmed F orces enjoy considerable power, prestige and independence within the Egyptian state. You also used such capitalized words in this latest article before David O. Johnson corrected them. I know those are just minor mistakes but could you please pay more attention? I mean no disrespect but such phrasing can be considered disruptive by many people.


 * Well, don't worry I truly understand. and about mil love believe me am just trying to keep it closer to reality not biasing. I am anyway new to Wikipedia, but I promise to keep these notices in my mind. Regards. Amr TarekSay Hello!, 18:57, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and i hope you don't take anything i said as an offense. We're just helping each other. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 20:22, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't Worry, No Hate :) Amr TarekSay Hello!, 22:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Tarek, i noticed recently that you are changing the article about the Egyptian coup, please refer to the rules of Wikipedia before changing. modified information are under great threat of Wikipedia credibility — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hans Franssen (talk • contribs) 23:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Constitution
It is just a revision --Panam2014 (talk) 23:44, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * That's something discussed before, if you have a problem with that you can discuss again in it's page you are not free to change everything without discussion. Amr TarekSay Hello!, 23:46, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Look at the last speech Adly Mansour. He said constitutional amendment in 2012 not a new constitution. This is an amendment in 1980 as the constiution 1971--Panam2014 (talk) 23:49, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * 1971's wasn't changed but some articles were modified by President Sadat as example, but this time it was mostly changed "with new elections", that didn't happen to 1971's. Amr TarekSay Hello!,  23:54, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No, there was a referendum in 1980 to change the constitution of 1971. 2014 is not new it is still called 2012 constitution --Panam2014 (talk) 23:56, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * all governmental websites say "amending/modifying", both means changing. it was described as [new one] by the [Chairman of the committee] who wrote it also. Amr TarekSay Hello!, 00:04, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * amending/changing=/= new constitution. In 1980, it was also an amending. --Panam2014 (talk) 00:06, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No believe me, modify is to change for the better + I guess the chairman of the committee which wrote It knows more than us. Amr TarekSay Hello!, 00:10, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Why in the draft constitution it says 2012 constitution ? And the President of the Republic knows more — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panam2014 (talk • contribs) 00:12, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It is not a new constitution. Or vous can create the 1980 constitution --Panam2014 (talk) 00:20, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Because they just didn't start from point zero, the State information Service says the new constitution. Amr TarekSay Hello!, 00:24, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Source ??? --Panam2014 (talk) 00:25, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * [مصر تكتب دستورًا جديدًا] [مشروع دستور مصر الجديد فى الصحافة المصرية] Amr TarekSay Hello!, 00:27, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the source and thank you to the source article. Why Adli Mansour spoke to amend the constitution of 2012, but no amendment? --Panam2014 (talk) 00:37, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The new constitution, that's how Mansour described it Amr TarekSay Hello!, 13:40, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

January 2014
Hello, I'm Qed237. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living person   on Mohamed Salah, but that you didn’t support your changes with a citation to a reliable source, so I removed it. Wikipedia has a strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. QED 237  (talk)  00:27, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Hans Franssen. Hi Amr, The article of Egyptian coup is under great confusion with other versions of wikipedia, Can you stop editing till a decision is reached about the merging. by merging form now with some contents from other articles, will introduce great mess to other readers. Thanks
 * It isn't merged that how it is before merging proposal. don't change anything until discussion is ended in it's talk page. Amr TarekSay Hello!, 23:24, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

can you check the other version such as the french and dutch ones, the english version is under great confusion and mess, do not impose your personal views and believes on Wikipedia please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hans Franssen (talk • contribs) 23:27, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * That isn't my pov, not me who wrote all that. people co-operated to write this you can't just remove everything without discussion. Amr TarekSay Hello!, 23:32, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

still the fact of confusion with other versions is there, removing the wrong data is allowed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hans Franssen (talk • contribs) 23:36, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * allowed after discussion, you aren't just free to remove everything because you see it as "confusion". Amr TarekSay Hello!, 23:39, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * there must be a consistency in the data provided by Wikipedia mutiple versions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hans Franssen (talk • contribs) 23:45, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Amr, I visited the Arabic version and tried to translate it with Google translate, i noticed that there is a rally on the discussion page for political biasing, it is clear by multiple political institutions in the west that it was a coup, imposing the same rally on the english version is making mis-credibility for the page, stop reverting it with wrong information please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hans Franssen (talk • contribs) 23:51, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

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Adly Mansour photo
Hello, can you make a Adly Mansour photo ? --Panam2014 (talk) 07:31, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I have already looked for any free to use picture of him, but unfortunately I haven't find any. Amr TarekSay Hello!, 16:59, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you take the photo in the presidential palace or negociate to have a photo? --Panam2014 (talk) 18:22, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to find any photographer who already captured a picture of him. but unfortunately am not fiding any. Amr TarekSay Hello!,  20:32, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Still Looking? You ask that? Contact the Presidency--Panam2014 (talk) 16:42, 28 January 2014 (UTC)--Panam2014 (talk) 16:42, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I contacted a Reuters' photographer but still didn't get a reply, if you have the presidency's mail can you give it to me? Amr TarekSay Hello!, 01:07, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Infobox picture
I hope you don't mind but i removed your picture that was in the infobox and added it in the article itself because i'm planning on creating a montage for the protests (though i'm not yet sure how to do so). The infobox needs to show the huge masses at Tahrir, Ittihadiya, Alexandria and even the demos at Raba'a and perhaps also the storming of the MB's headquarters. Those events are more significant than a woman holding a red card, don't you think?. Maybe you can help me out with that while you can. Thanks. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 01:52, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah for sure. I put it because it was the only picture I had found. can you find more pictures? Amr TarekSay Hello!, 09:05, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, i'm not very familiar with Wikipedia's image use policy to be honest and the photos i recently uploaded were from Flickr like yours. I've also never contacted authors of copyrighted pictures before. I will try but it would be great if you helped. These are links of pictures i found useful and informative but i don't know how to get them:
 * Alexandria
 * Ittihadiya (1) (2)
 * Tahrir
 * Muslim Brotherhood HQ storming (1) (2)
 * Any 2 photos would do fine since one can be used for the proposed montage and one in the article itself. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 19:31, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I will contact them and see if they will agree. Amr TarekSay Hello!, 21:04, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, i will also try looking for more stuff to add. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 21:14, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Update : The two pictures i uploaded were deleted. I am currently looking for any good photos with those laser helicopters that were patrolling the protests as i believe it would be a nice-looking addition. You can help too if you want. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 21:13, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Egyptian Revolution of 2013 for deletion
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Sisi Article
Hi Amrtarek, i have reverted the deletion that you did on the Article of Abdel Fattah el-Sisi. Can you stop the edit war? and discuss first. Thanks Andri Kuawko (talk) 17:30, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Amrtarek, you are changing facts in the news and media with your deletion. If you are concerned about not showing Arabic words to English readers so why did you keep the name of El-Sisi in Arabic and why did you remove the english words from the title name "Egyptian presidential election, 2014". Please revert the deletions back. Ramy23 (talk) 11:52, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

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Kerdasa massacre
Amr, with all due respect to your work on Kerdasa, but can you please move the content back to your sandbox and i will help you develop it there. With the article's current shape, it can be easily merged to August 2013 Rabaa Massacre or Islamist unrest in Egypt (2013–present) and it will certainly be hard to re-create it in that case. I don't mean to be any rude, but the writing style appears to be very emotionally-driven and the naming is also controversial because the events there happened in 2 phases: the massacre and the following security raid. It should be called Battle of Kerdasa in my opinion with a section about the massacre and another about the fighting where a general was killed. Also, you don't have to bother defending yourself in the SPI because the editor who filed it is obviously Hans Franssen's sock and i already reported them here. Regards. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 11:05, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Per the title, I used the common name mentioned in the references as a common. actually about the emotionally-driven like the church thing as an example, that's how it was exactly mentioned in the Wall Street Journal's coverage, the rest were written "according to the criminal investigation reports" as that what I found if there any other reports you can kindly mention. About making the article for both events not just the massacre, I recommend naming it "Kerdasa events" or something as the battle was the second event not the entire events.
 * For the merging thing, actually am not aware about how to move it back so you can help? Amr TarekSay Hello!,  12:10, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * For the merging thing, actually am not aware about how to move it back so you can help? Amr TarekSay Hello!,  12:10, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I mean it would have been a lot better to complete it and make it look well-developed in the sandbox first before creating. Now all i can do is hope we finish it before an editor makes a merging proposal because the events happened the same day as the Rabaa clashes. In the meantime, i will just check on some basic stuff like spelling or similar things. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 20:11, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The battle part is half-ready at User:Fitzcarmalan/sandbox. You can help develop it there if you are interested, but i'm thinking about creating a separate for this. Thoughts? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 11:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You mean making separated articles for both battle/massacre? Amr TarekSay Hello!, 06:19, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes that is what i meant, because the latter took place a month after the massacre and i don't think we will be able to group the events under a proper title (+ "events" is very broad and non-specific). Only Egyptians use the word "أحداث" which is not common in English language. However, i won't separate them until the massacre article is complete and expanded to include the current trials. But unfortunately i won't be able to work on this right now because i might be preoccupied in the coming weeks and will not be very active. If you can work on the first article in the meantime i would be very grateful. Cheers. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 18:38, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually I do have exams these days, but I will try to help. Amr Tarek   &#x232A;&#x232A;&#x232A; 08:39, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Rabia sign
Hi, Amr Tarek. Regarding your edit on Rabia sign mentioning the police as the entity which decided to dissolve the sit-ins. You say there is a source that says so that is already on the page. Please refer to that source here. --Omar Othman 95 (talk) 02:54, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The one just after the sentence, Here you are Amr TarekSay Hello!, 02:56, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It does not say here that the police has decided to dissolute the sit-in. What is mentioned is the casualties from police officers, because the dissolution was executed by both the police and the military; but the negotiations and the decision were taken by the military. Please find a suitable source that mentions clearly that the police has had the decision of dissolution and add it to the sentence. --Omar Othman 95 (talk) 03:09, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Check it again and read the last paragraph. Amr TarekSay Hello!, 03:45, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You were right at that point. Cheers. --Omar Othman 95 (talk) 14:46, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Amr Tarek. Before you intend to reverse any edits. You thankfully added the piece of info that says Erdogan is thought to have invented Rabia sign. Being an uncertain piece of info makes it's best place in the body of the article, not the top. That's why I have moved it to the "Appearance" section, and replaced its place at the top by this sentence: "with an unclear origin." For more clearance, you can also see that the top section states at its last sentence: "The number of victims is disputed.", but the numbers are later described in the body. --Omar Othman 95 (talk) 15:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

vote for pimp discussion
Hi Amrtarek, i reverted your last edits in the discussion. it was not a sock, please refer first to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Hans_Franssen/Archive, regrds Vantos234 (talk) 14:58, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

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I think that you should be interested: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Afmatpesr. Regards. Subtropical -man  talk   (en-2)   17:33, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * Temporarily until the House of Representatives is elected

Some baklava for you!

 * Hola! Thanks man am totally free now and looking forward to cooperating with you. Ramadan Mubarak! Sinai Horus   &#x232A;&#x232A;&#x232A; 11:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Egyptian Air Force.photos.
My concern is that the article is about the main topic is the Egypt Air Force and not the wars that they fought in. I would suggest that the photos be used in the articles that talk about each war and conflict in detail.Articseahorse (talk) 22:54, 20 July 2014 (UTC)


 * But the history section already talks about the history of the wars they fought in. Sinai Horus   &#x232A;&#x232A;&#x232A; 13:33, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Egyptian Armed Forces
First of all Hi, second, why reverting my edits?!! As what you wrote in the summary that my information was old, if u just let me explain that my refs was the most updated. First, corresponding to the military budget, the most recent and reliable info is from (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute), which all other internet sites quote from it. Second, corresponding to the numbers of military personnel available and fit for service, again all other internet sites quote from the CIA World Factbook, as in this site the numbers are divided between males and females and if u just sum the numbers for males and females you will get the same numbers which in the article now. Finally, i fixed some refs and now all the work gone :) Bluewavedragon (talk) 07:12, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

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