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Doktor Faust: Performance History
Well, you certainly made up for the lack of a footnote earlier. Great job! --Robert.Allen (talk) 10:41, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Move Henze
Could you explain the rationale of Hans Werner Henze to Hans Henze? The composer is only known under the former name, and all other language Wikipedias list him as such. I strongly suggest you revert that page move and your. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Additional sources for Polly Lauder Tunney
Hello, I have tagged Polly Lauder Tunney twice for more sources to ascertain notability, as everything I can find relates to her husband, or family, except her obituary. Being rich, related to notable people, a philanthopist, etc, does not in itself make someone notable. I never recommended it for a speedy deletion as I felt there was potential, however independant secondary sources are required for that assertion. The reason I asked for sources other than an obituary, is they are not really considered independant, as they are usually written by family and paid to be placed in the newspapers. I do not believe that newspapers verify facts in obituaries, either. At lease one more source, in conjunction with the obituary, would help. Good sources would be links to newspaper or magazine articles, books, etc. The key is independant coverage. Please see: If there is no independant coverage, the question then gets raised that this article might be better merged with that of her husband. Regards,Turgan Talk 13:03, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Notability (people)
 * NOTINHERITED
 * Verifiability

Sources for possible work
http://www.santafeopera.org/thecompany/overview/operaarchives.aspx?mode=list#B

http://history.nyphil.org/nypwcpub/dbweb.asp?ac=a1

http://books.google.com/books?id=k3165uj1pxUC&pg=PA64&lpg=PA64&dq=%22Francesco+Pelosi%22+%22Philadelphia%22&source=bl&ots=272uPfj2ze&sig=1GWzEmF1osK30azZrUUSJ68ZSyE&hl=en&ei=V7pESo6uEKGqtge9oZ2uAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

http://select.nytimes.com/mem/archive/pdf?res=F00E12F93D58157A93C4A8178AD95F408585F9

Opera Company of Boston
http://books.google.com/books?id=M8AQKA7nyzsC&pg=PA289&lpg=PA289&dq=%22Beverly+Bower%22+%22opera%22&source=bl&ots=tG6v0fcMsH&sig=CaqMVwo9h2d1i2nO3FNzCTpZWXg&hl=en&ei=6s5GSr_GA4HYM86LhbMK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

Edgar Vincent
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/arts/music/01vincent.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/29/AR2008062902003.html

http://www.theinsider.com/news/1017028_Opera_manager_Edgar_Vincent_dead_at_90

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2008-06-30-edgar-vincent-obit_N.htm

Brief Encounter (opera)
http://www.houstongrandopera.org/briefencounter

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/2009/05/andr%C3%A9-previns-brief-encounter-premieres-in-houston.html

http://houston.broadwayworld.com/article/Houston_Grand_Opera_Presents_Previns_BRIEF_ENCOUNTER_518_20090501

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/5d6c9218-398b-11de-b82d-00144feabdc0.html

http://www.houstonpress.com/2009-04-30/calendar/houston-grand-operabrief-encounter

Die Vögel
http://www.laopera.com/production/0809/thebirds/index.aspx

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/14/arts/music/14bird.html

http://www.operatoday.com/content/2009/04/walter_braunfel.php

http://upword.blogspot.com/2009/04/opera-die-vogel.html

http://www.andante.com/article/article.cfm?id=25661

Der Vetter aus Dingsda
http://www.komische-oper-berlin.de/spielplan/detailansicht.php?id_event_cluster=67070&id_event_date=217533&id_language=2

Marie Victoire
http://www.deutscheoperberlin.de/?page=spielplandetail&id_event_cluster=66027&language=en_EN

Gennady Banshchikov
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0052504/ http://www.abt.org/education/archive/ballets/vestris.html http://www.answers.com/topic/concerto-for-cello-11-instruments-duodecimet http://books.google.com/books?id=c7sE1CRxKvUC&pg=PA863&lpg=PA863&dq=%22Gennadi+Banshchikov%22+%221943%22&source=bl&ots=vz19ENgRvp&sig=mo43bRTomoo-ohKqoN_2_Bn5gRA&hl=en&ei=OlJDSoroCYOENKr-7JkB&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

The Opera of How Ivan Ivanovich Quarreled with Ivan Nikiforovich
http://www.mariinsky.ru/en/playbill/playbill/2009/6/9/2_1900/

Dead Souls (opera)
http://www.mariinsky.ru/en/playbill/playbill/2009/4/12/2_1900/ http://www.nytimes.com/1988/03/14/arts/review-opera-us-soviet-portrayal-of-gogol-s-dead-souls.html http://www.boosey.com/pages/opera/moreDetails.asp?musicID=46911 http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,967091,00.html

Alexander Smelkov
http://www.barbican.org.uk/media/events/6782mariinskyresidencyforweb.pdf

The Brothers Karamazov (opera)
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/classical/reviews/smelkov-the-brothers-karamazov-mariinsky-theatre-gergiev-barbican-hall-1523390.html

23 July 2008 Mariinsky Theatre, St. Petersburg, Russia

Salvadore [sic] Cammarano
Hi, You just edited my List of films based on war books page.

He's been Salvatore for all my decades of opera listening.

Why isn't this just a misprint in Grove?

I bet I can check the Penguin Guide or any other source and find Salvatore.

Varlaam (talk) 00:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Salvatore Cammarano

Verdi's official site in Italy thinks he's Salvatore.

Varlaam (talk) 00:43, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

You joined Wikipedia a month ago, and you're already changing the names of famous people?

I have 10,000+ edits in English Wikipedia, and a couple of hundred in other languages. I don't recall ever changing the name of a famous person. Certainly not without prior discussion. Where is the discussion on this topic? Cammarano's discussion page is blank. You would expect to see a few months' worth of debate going on there, prior to a change of this magnitude.

Varlaam (talk) 00:50, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoooooooops! :)
Yep I edited the wrong page. :) Sorry about that. --User:Woohookitty Diamming fool! 07:28, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you ever run into someone being that uncivil and trying to treat a page as "their" page, please let me know. As you said yourself, being collaborative is one of our hallmarks. Nobody owns anything here. --User:Woohookitty Diamming fool! 07:31, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes hopefully. This was hardly his first problem as you can see on his talk page. --User:Woohookitty Diamming fool! 07:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the musicals project
Thanks for signing up. We sure could use you because, as I noted on the other page, the project is sort of dead right now. If you have any musicals articles you want to work on and want help working on it, just leave a message on the musicals project talk page, and a couple of us will usually come by and try to help out. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:02, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Please comment on what's going on at Santa Maria. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Fernando Corena
Did Schonberg actually use "oustanding", or is that a typo that should be corrected? Chris the speller (talk) 00:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Beno Blachut
Hi. Nice to see the article, and there are quite a few other Czech singers who need one (Vilem Pribyl springs to mind). Can I just suggest that the Recordings table is a bit over the top and overbalances the article? All that's required (IMO) is the role performed, the conductor and orchestra and the label. The place for a complete cast-listing of an opera recording seems to me to be at the WP article on the opera itself, or an associated discography article. Any thoughts? Best wishes. --GuillaumeTell 21:46, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks GuillaumeTell. I agree with your suggestion and have removed the cast lists. There certainly are a number of Czech singers that deserve biographies. Betty Fibichová, Adolf Krössing, and Jaroslav Souček are a few on my to do list.Singingdaisies (talk) 22:04, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Bill Johnsons
Hi. Thanks for the article on saxophonist Bill Johnson. As there seem to be more than one notable Bill Johnson who was a jazz musician, I've moved the article you started to Bill Johnson (reed player) and the bass player to his full name, William Manuel Johnson. Feel free to move "Bill Johnson (reed player)" to a better name if you think appropriate; however it seems "Bill Johnson (jazz musician)" is sufficent to identify the individual, so I've turned that into a disambiguation page. Cheers, Infrogmation (talk) 03:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Greetings Singingdaisies and sorry! For some reason I undid your DAB at the List of jazz bassists. Have restored it. Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 10:22, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Czech opera singers
Hello Singingdaisies. It was a really nice surprise to see your last articles here. Good and precise work. Thanks many times from Czech Republic. --Vejvančický (talk) 22:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation page for William Smith
Please do not link articles to William Smith (disambiguation). This article only redirects to William Smith which is the propper title of the disambiguation page.Singingdaisies (talk) 07:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I did put the reason in the edit summary. However, I'm glad to see you've been doing some great work on dabs, so please keep it up! Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 09:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Ben Smith Jazz Saxophonist
Please note there is no corresponding Wikipedia article for this musician. The Jazz saxophonist edit guidelines clearly says-: "Please don't add links to musicians for whom there is no article on Wikipedia; they will be removed. There are a lot of gaps in Wikipedia's coverage of jazz, but either place a request for the article in question or create one yourself."

This is located  at the foot of the edit box of the article for your future information. Paul210 (talk) 14:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

August 2009
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. | Uncle Milty | talk  | 17:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Total sour grapes on your part vandalizing the article just because your edit was reverted. Also, having googled 'Ben Smith saxophone', the search revealed little. Indeed, little enough to justify the removal on non-notability grounds. If you could direct me to any web links about this musician,I would be grateful. I am intrigued as to who he is. Paul210 (talk) 18:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the creation of the page on Ben Smith. Oops, it was not created by you. At least the link has relevance now. Have a nice day :) Paul210 (talk) 07:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

My thanks
This is one of the ways how to express admiration and thanks for useful work for the project. I met your username again at E. F. Burian and I found another part of this gigantic cobweb, an article about his father. Wikipedia working at its best. Keep up the good work, Singingdaisies :)) --Vejvančický (talk) 21:33, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll check the list with the last edition of Muzikus, an useful directory of Czech music institutions. As for Karel Burian, the theatre was named after Jiří Mahen only in 1965. I'm not entirely sure with Burian's connection to Mahen Theatre and probably I should revert myself. The theatre was German in 1891, and Czechs organized their performances (including operas) in theatre at Veveří Street. Janáček's Jenůfa was premiered there in 1904. However, any of the sources I've found doesn't speak about the name of the theatre, even Burian's own memoirs. He was one of the most famous singers in Czech history and today only few people in my country knows his name, imagine. --Vejvančický (talk) 21:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

David Brooks (actor)
You created this article a couple of weeks ago, and are the only person to edit it. However, the lede opens with "Robert Smith (24 October 1917 - 31 March 1999) was an American actor, singer, director, and producer." Later, you refer to Brooks, and the single reference is an obituary for Brooks. Am I missing something?  Horologium  (talk) 02:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for catching that. Yikes what a stupid error on my part! I was creating another aritcle at the same time on Robert Smith (actor) and I guess I got my wires crossed.Singingdaisies (talk) 03:30, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * One other question about Brooks—he's listed in three LGBT categories, but the article (and the citation) note his companion as Frances Kessler. While that construction is often used to describe same-sex partnerships, Frances is generally a woman's name; Francis (with an "I") is a male name. Is Kessler male or female, and is there any other source to indicate Brooks's sexuality? If Kessler is female, or if there is no other source to indicate that Brooks was gay, you might want to pull him from those categories.  Horologium  (talk) 11:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Antony in Barber's Opera
I had made an alteration to the article on Samuel Barber's Opera "Antony and Cleopatra." It listed under the roles that Antony was a baritone, and I changed it to high bass. I found it had been changed back, and I checked the page history. You said that the score lists him as a baritone? Odd. The version I looked at said "high bass" on the list, as the role was initially played by a bass-baritone and the part sustains a low E. Which version of the score was it that you looked at? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.244.205.91 (talk) 00:57, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Louis Guéymard
Thanks for your work on Gounod's singers and nice job on Louis Guéymard! Do you happen to know where the portrait hangs? Sparafucil (talk) 21:04, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Selma Ek
I saw your expansion on the above article, and just wanted to give you a tip: on the discussion-page on the Swedish article, there is a link to several beautiful images of Selma Ek, of much higher quality than the current one. Just to tip you off! They would certainly suit this article well. --85.226.40.201 (talk) 13:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Here they are: []. They portray her in Rome and Julia, Faust and Aida. --85.226.40.201 (talk) 13:58, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Ostrava Opera
I added mainly informations from Czech wiki article. I have to check it later with reliable online sources, Czech Wikipedia is not always accurate. No problem with the mistake at Soňa Červená, sometimes I produce similar errors :) I own her memories called Stýskání zakázáno (German version: Heimveh verboten), English title could be Homesickness Forbidden (?). She began her career with famous Osvobozené divadlo Theatre, but she was forced to emigrate in 1958. Recently she sang in the opera about Milada Horáková, composed by Aleš Březina. --Vejvančický (talk) 09:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Paul Barroilhet
No problem - I've done the same thing myself (I usually base articles on ones I've done previously), and the categories were OK. It looked as if you'd been in rather a hurry (or were feeling sleepy, or were interrupted, or whatever). It needs some refs - I can do one for Opera Grove, which also lists some roles he sang (including Guillaume Tell!). Amadeus also has him premiering operas by composers I've never heard of. I'm amazed at the number of new articles you've created - I'm quite a slow worker myself. Best. --GuillaumeTell 18:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

The Cabaret Girl
You reverted my edit on this before I had chance to add citations. There are serious errors in some books regarding this show. Some give the opening night as 10th September, even though it was originally announced for 14th: I suspect "10" to be a typo for "19". Others give the opening night as 18 September, but in The Times it was advertised as being 19th, and the Times review of 20 September refers to "last night".

There are also disagreements about the number of performances: 361 is commonest, but one text says 474. In fact, the show closed on 11 August 1923, and with 8 performances each week (weekday evenings and matinees on Wednesdays and Saturdays) it could never have reached 474 performances in its 11-month life.

I hope this clarifies matters.Jimmy Pitt (talk) 10:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Ignazio Marini
Well, I was contemplating writing him up, but then saw that you'd done so (very comprehensively, too). I discovered (from Viking/Penguin) that a siniscalco was a seneschal, but I put the link in at Gianni di Parigi. For some reason, I moved on to look at Poliuto and then decided to put in the premiere cast of Les martyrs. It looks as if the Poliuto that Marini took part in was the translation from French into Italian of the latter, and I wonder if it was performed as I martiri. Then I clicked on Anafesto Rossi to see if he really was a tenor. Answer, from Amadeus: yes, except when he was a baritone in Roberto Devereux (and again in 1854)! Suddenly the afternoon has turned into evening, but that's Wikipedia. (And I was meaning to finish writing up my trip to see Le Grand Macabre, too.) --GuillaumeTell 18:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You say "I contemplated giving the opera's name as Les Martyrs, but Grove specifically said Poliuto. What do you think?"
 * Since the character is called Felice rather than Félix, the opera must have had an Italian title, so can't be Les Martyrs as such, and anyway most opera in London then was performed in Italian - Il Flauto Magico and suchlike. I'm guessing that after the 1848 premiere of Poliuto, the title "I Martiri" fell into disuse and Poliuto was universally used for both the original Italian version and the Italian translation of Les Martyrs, so best to assume that Grove got it right. --<b style="color:forestgreen;">Guillaume</b><i style="color:blue;">Tell</i> 20:57, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't bother altering the Marini article. However, Poliuto could do with some work.  Incidentally, Amadeus (but not Grove or Viking) attributes the original Italian libretto to Nourrit as well as Cammarano. --<b style="color:forestgreen;">Guillaume</b><i style="color:blue;">Tell</i> 21:10, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Tale for a Deaf Ear
Thanks for the kind words. The Time Magazine article doesn't specify, but as it quotes some opening dialogue between the Gateses that is definitely in English, I take the answer to be "yes." Quite an interesting idea, the multilingual presentation, and adding an English gloss from the chorus was a neat way of dealing with attendant language barriers in those pre-supertitle days. On the other hand, I suspect that choice didn't exactly enhance the work's chances of repeat performances, at least by smaller or less professional companies. Drhoehl (talk) 20:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

re:Irena Troupová
Hi Singingdaisies. Troupová isn't the best known singer in the Czech Republic, but I think she meets our criteria for musicians. The article is very badly translated version of this profile at the website of Collegium Musicum Brno. However, I've found other independent sources and indications of notability - she performs at early music festivals and occasionally records for notable record labels. Unfortunately, most of my sources are in Czech language. Check the articles again, please. I've also removed the prod template, I think the AfD and broader discussion would be more transparent. The reason for deletion was strange, unrelated to notability of that person. --Vejvančický (talk) 14:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

re:O Pioneers! (opera)
Hi Singingdaisies. While the operatic adaptation of O Pioneers! is a new work in progress, I still consider its article to be nonetheless notable. As this is a new work, a majority of the source material I use in the article comes from the vocal score (a copy of which I have as a member of the cast) that has not yet been formally published by Vivace Press (owned by the composer). There has been a limited amount of media coverage in St. Louis, so I am only left with a few newspaper articles and a radio interview to work with until after the production is reviewed/critiqued. I appreciate your concern, but please rest assured that this article is notable. I will be removing the notability tags. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mungobuh (talk • contribs) 20:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

O Pioneers
Singingdaisies: Just want to clear the air that this production is not a student production. It is a completely professional production presented by a state university (University of Missouri-St. Louis), supported by grant money from the university, state arts councils and non-profit organizations. All production crew, cast and designers are paid professionals. I will do all I can to add supporting references as they become available.Mungobuh (talk) 20:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

The Triumph of St. Joan
Hi. I hope you don't mind my copy-edit of the lead, with any luck just a bit of slash and burn rather than The Texas Chain Saw Massacre. BTW, I've never heard of the opera or its composer, so I'm learning something new as well. I'm not sure how much time I'll have to c-e the rest, but good luck with the peer review. Best. --<b style="color:forestgreen;">Guillaume</b><i style="color:blue;">Tell</i> 00:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Dido and Aeneas
Regarding your edits changing redirected links to Dido and Aeneas: please consider WP:NOTBROKEN. Cheers, Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:26, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Leslie Adams (composer)
Hi! It seems you recently created an unreferenced biography of a living person: Leslie Adams (composer). Our verifiability policy requires that all content be cited to a reliable source. Please add references as soon as possible. Thanks! --LaraBot (talk) 00:10, 14 October 2009 (UTC)