User talk:Sionk/Archive 10

Spotjobs
Hi Sionk,

SpotJobs definitely celebrated their 1st b-day October 31, 2013. Please see this article (www.startupsmart.com.au/growth/how-i-did-it/spotjobs-celebrates-its-first-birthday/2013103011048.html) and altho it's dated 30 Oct, the actual date was the 31st (you can verify on their Facebook account).

Any chance you could help me reference this article? I was going to 'talk' yesterday, but your account said you were on break. I'm new to Wiki but work for SpotJobs and have the OK for all these edits.

Thanks much,Tee (talk) 13:29, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello again!

Thanks for making the change to Proprietary Company link. . . how exactly did you do that? I also need help linking 'beta' in HISTORY section; should link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#Beta.

As I said, I'm new here and altho I read the Help:Link section, still need help!

Appreciate any assistance you're willing to give, Tee (talk) 13:42, 26 January 2014 (UTC)


 * @Tee nme, it would be a good idea to add the url above, to verify the birthday. Add it between a tags and it will appear at the bottom of the article as an inline citation. To link "Beta" to Software_release_life_cycle, use Beta, which creates this wikilink - Beta. Have fun! Sionk (talk) 14:16, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Sionk! (Oops, even missed the Subject line earlier :>)) Tee (talk) 17:07, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sionk,

Requesting your advice: I'm thinking to add a section on the Sign Up process to give more of a feel for the site. Or would that be considered inappropriate/too much like advertising?

Thank you, Tee (talk) 00:21, 28 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Sounds like advertising to me. And Wikipedia is supposed to provide notable information, not operating instuctions. Unless the sign-up process is particularly unusual and has been written about in reliable secondary sources, I'd recommend you leave it out. Sionk (talk) 00:50, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Sionk, for your guidance and edits! Tee (talk) 13:49, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Women artists

 * Completely undeserved, but thanks! In the main I flit around Wikipedia and apart from a couple of artist articles, I've just been doing housekeeping for other people's hard work. Sionk (talk) 15:15, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

A Tesla Roadster for you!

 * Erm, thanks, I guess! Sionk (talk) 12:35, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Feilden
Thanks from the DYK project and I Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi there Sionk - I'm new to Wikipedia and only slowly working out what to do/not do and how to do/not do it! Thanks for the message - I have visited the page this morning and made rectifications, and will return to it and hope to improve further. Thanks again, Mancunian Matters Mancunian Matters (talk) 08:45, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Please revert yourself
You've added a source to fido.net that is clearly not talking about the UK ISP. See the talk page there. Someone not using his real name (talk) 02:04, 4 February 2014 (UTC)


 * You're welcome to revert it yourself, though it is certainly confusing when they are both named as Fido.Net. Sionk (talk) 02:20, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

FYI
A proposal has been made to  create  a Live Feed to  enhance the processing  of Articles for Creation and Drafts. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC to create a 'Special:NewDraftsFeed' system. Your comments are welcome. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:14, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Neutral point of view
Hi Sionk,

Not sure if you've noticed on our page, but the 'neutral point of view' message still displays. Do you know the process for having this removed and/or any suggestions for making article more neutral?

Thanks,Tee (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Thomas Hodges (artist)
Hi Sionk! A representative of Thomas Hodges contacted me based on your deletions to Thomas Hodges (artist). I encouraged the rep to post at Talk:Thomas Hodges (artist), and I hope you can respond when you return from your wikibreak. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:14, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Rosalie Parker
I believe the subject, Rosalie Parker is notable. The World Fantasy Awards (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Fantasy_Awards) are considered to be of some prestige, as evidenced by the notable authors who publicise their awards, and the various websites that report on the awards. I have added the extra World Fantasy Awards and the Horror Writers Association Award she has won jointly through Tartarus Press. With reference to the editing work, although she is not credited in some of the books she edits, reference to the publisher website shows that she has edited the volumes she is credited with in the Wikipedia article. Looking at the publisher website also meant I was able to correct a mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tartarusrussell (talk • contribs) 19:43, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

SpotJobs neutral viewpoint
Hi Sionk,

Not sure if you deleted my previous message or it got lost 'cuz I forgot a subject again! Anyway if you are able to offer advice for how we can get the 'neutral view point' message removed from our article, that would be great.

Thanks, Tee (talk) 00:11, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Tagging of Sean Fannin
I recently removed a speedy delete tag that you had placed on Sean Fannin. I do not think that Sean Fannin fits any of the speedy deletion criteria I request that you consider not re-tagging Sean Fannin for speedy deletion without discussing the matter on the appropriate talk page. Take it to AfD if you think the subject isn't notable after going through WP:BEFORE. DES (talk) 20:37, 6 February 2014 (UTC)


 * As you know, I've raised it on the Talk page. If you want it to be dragged through AfD then so be it. I can see no evidence of the existence of a senior Duke of Richmond award for art. Sionk (talk) 22:56, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Hatstand, Table and Chair
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Removing advert & additional citation needed tags - Clint Bolick
I have a question - but first I want to say that if this is in any way an imposition, please let me know. You've already been very generous with your help, and I can take this to the Tea House or some other forum if you are busy. With that said - I've been working to improve an article (Clint Bolick) that is tagged with "appears to be written like an advertisement" and "needs additional citations" tags. I'm not done, but I feel like the advertisement tag could come off now. I've tried to tag specific items in the article that need citation, and only a few are left. I think the citation needed tag for the entire article could be removed now, or after I do some more work on the article. Should I just remove the tags myself? Flag the article in some way? What is the best (that is, most constructive & least antagonistic) way to handle this?

Also, any advice on the article itself will be appreciated! Thanks once again - James Cage (talk) 23:13, 12 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks - James Cage (talk) 12:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Thomas Happer Taylor article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Thomas_Happer_Taylor

Hello, Sionk. I revised the Taylor piece, mainly adding references from notable sources such as The New York Times, Booklist, Library Journal, and the Library of Congress. When you have a chance, please see if I've solved the problems that made the earlier version not ready for publication. Thanks. MurraySuid (talk) 01:30, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

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Article: "Halliday Sutherland"
Sionk, Thanks for reviewing the article. I have fixed up the citations as suggested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RetroAuth (talk • contribs) 05:44, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks- Peter Liddle Article
Thanks for your review. Hopefully I can get it up to a B when get time. Thanks for your work.37.152.44.136 (talk) 08:43, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Joseph Gray (painter)
Thanks for the tidy-up etc. Can you fix the entries in the Categories at the bottom of the page please? In all 5 categories his name is listed under J (for Joseph) when it should be under G (for Gray). And how do I add his entry to this page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Gray. regards, Adrian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herveus1 (talk • contribs) 09:10, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Art Gallery of Ontario Artist-in-Residence
Dear Sionk: Thanks for noticing that the text in this article was part of an existing article. The previous decline called for references, so I just added some without investigating further. I have added the references to Art Gallery of Ontario as you suggested, and nominated the draft for deletion. The Art Gallery of Ontario is an enormous and very active gallery with a lot of history and architectural significance, so it's likely that its article will have to be subdivided eventually, but I agree that there's no point in making a new article without expanding the content. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 13:35, 5 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Glad you're happy with the solution. To be honest I had no idea you were the author, considering you work as an AfC reviewer yourself it was a bit of a surprise to find out. Keep up the good work! Sionk (talk) 23:32, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't write it; I just found it when looking through old declined submissions and added some citations. I've been doing that a lot, because 50,000 older ones are being deleted and there's a lot of good material among them. (User:Anne Delong/Afc submissions for improvement) I should have checked that one out more carefully before starting to improve it. I don't run them all through Afc, just ones where I may have NPOV problems (as an Ontarian I am proud of our amazing Art Gallery, you see...) and in this case it's a good thing I did.  The backlog drive seems to be working; I'm going to have to get busy and contribute. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 00:03, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Jon Bunch entry
Hi, Sionk, I'm new to Wikipedia, and I'm trying to get my submission approved. I've been told that I need more notability and more reliable news coverage. I have included sources for nearly every sentence I wrote with reliable news coverage from well-known media. I'm a total loss as to how I can make the right edits for approval. Please help. Thanks, Akf77 (talk) 23:35, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

TIM GOSLING
Hi Sionk,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#Review_of_Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation.2FTim_Gosling

Just spent ages re doing this and every fact is supported by press articles to verify each point I am making? Every point has been checked and there is press for every thing I am saying.Unsure what you now mean about supplying a range of independent, reliable, published sources when I have put over 100 citations, press articles in and nothing is 'in house' as you describe? Thanks Custardpieboy (talk) 07:38, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Custardpieboy (talk) 07:45, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Custardpieboy (talk)

DYK nomination of Robin Preiss Glasser
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Thanks for your edits
Thanks for cleaning up my article Sanki King, really good edits. Peace SameStruggle (talk) 18:05, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Who the heck are you to keep reverting my edits?!
I have been working on the "Richest Lebanese in the World" list for years and know exactly who is who being a Lebanese myself. Who the heck are you to come and destroy all that hard work and revert all my changes and insult me with that ("you are pissing people off" Why? Because I am actually working on this list unlike you who just sweeps in and acts like Wikipedia's prima donna!?). And your argument of removing Corm is bullshit. If you remove him, then you have to remove Edmond Safra and Nicolas Hayek (the founder of Swatch!). They are both dead but their fortune is now spread among their family hence my note (Family). And yes, for your information, a family can be a billionaire. Everyone knows that! That's like saying that the Walmart family are billionaires but putting the entry under the founder because in the Middle East, nobody knows how that fortune is then divided by the heirs to the billionaire in question! You conceited, uncivil, insulting person! Revert again my edits and I will escalate this beyond your wildest imagination. And that's not a threat. That's a fact. I hope you enjoyed your wiki-break!


 * Unfortunately (for you) facts need to be verifiable on Wikipedia, not based on personal knowledge or biases. Please discuss it on the article's Talk page rather than throw meaningless threats around. Sionk (talk) 20:25, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

--GOODKARMA 07:09, 28 March 2014 (UTC)They are not threats Sionk. They were intended to be warnings for you to stop acting like a conceited prima donna. "Facts need to be verifiable on Wikipedia"?! LOL! That's why you chose to keep Maya Papaya in this article?! When there is no such thing as Maya Papaya, let alone her being a billionaire!!! Sionk, I apologize if I was out of line above. Not me and not my style. I know my stuff (Lebanese wealth) inside out and have put a lot of work in researching all this (ON and OFF Wikipedia). Sionk, Let us PLEASE bury the hatchet. After all, we are both people giving up our precious time to make Wikipedia a worthy place to look for information. Let us please shake hands and work as partners. Again, I apologize for the above. I was just mesmerized that you had just swooped in and reverted hours of hard work. Peace?

--GOODKARMA 11:07, 28 March 2014 (UTC)@Bonadea and Sionk. As I messaged you both, can we please bury the hatchet. We are NOT enemies and I harbor no other intention than making this list as ACCURATE as possible (just like you)! That means that I apologize for past coarse language. It was only a reaction to having all my hard work deleted under really lame arguments (with all due respect). And you should appreciate the (educated) work I put into this page. I happen to know Lebanese wealth inside out. It doesn't work according to Forbes lists or other BS lists that are known to be notoriously incomplete (when not downright WRONG). There are AT LEAST 5 Lebanese billionaires living in Africa that are not included in Forbes and co. nor the list I compiled. Why? Because these guys' fortune, well above 1 billion USD, is unknown. It could be 1, it could be 10. Their assets are "undercover". Also, and contrary to you Anglo-Saxon thinking, it is common practice in the Middle East to talk about FAMILIES. Forbes MENA (the regional version of Forbes) recently released its list of "RICHEST" and it was a list of... MENA's RICHEST FAMILIES!!! That's the way it works around here: FAMILY WEALTH! Because nobody, including Forbes (!) and hence I trust you will agree neither of you too, can or will ever be able to breakdown the wealth of individual family members. Again, this is how it works around here and if even FORBES approaches the "issue" that way, I trust that you guys will have the humbleness to respect that approach too. Getting to Corm, he was the exclusive agent of Ford Motor Cars for the entire Middle East. Everybody in Lebanon knows the Corms are worth billions. But they are a discreet family who have no interest in being in Forbes (which in turn has no way of measuring their fortune hence does not list them). Now either you want to make this page ACCURATE AND FAIR, either you want to just propagate s* intelligence and information, creating a snowball effect that just reinforces Forbes and co. s* lists. Also Bonadea and with all due respect, your date of death logic is BS! Either you consider a man dead and hence don't include him or his family in the list either you do (again, please read above my part on FAMILY WEALTH). But I don't think it is your prerogative to decide what length of death is acceptable or not! If you insist in removing Corm, then you MUST remove Safra and Hayek. If you don't, you have no consistency. And consistency is the key to credibility. And credibility is EXACTLY what Wikipedia lacks. So if your plan is to KILL Wikipedia (whose death I am convinced is around the corner as nobody I know trusts a word coming from Wikipedia, they just use it as a quick info "fix" on subjects of little importance to them), continue applying DOUBLE STANDARDS the way you do. I just HATE double standards. They are just about the biggest impediments to OBJECTIVE reporting. Over and out...


 * These things need to be discussed on the article's Talk page, not here. There's no proof of Corm's wealth, which is the reason he's being removed from the list. Sionk (talk) 14:15, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Anthony James
Dear Sionk, I am responding to your 3 letters. Yes, I am working at Walter Storms Galerie, but different from what you say, I am not trying to "promote" Anthony James or the gallery. I am simply trying to keep his page up to date and to fill it with true and relevant information. A lot of the things that where on there, where false, unprofessional and comletely irrelevant, like the article "Anthony James puts the art into party". I am also not trying "to cut out a rival gallery", he is simply no more working with them. I am in direct contact with the artist himself and all the information I am adding is true and important. I just want him to be represented as best and true as possible and in my current edits I related everything to press and literture. I am also very sorry, if I offended you by adding the gallery's link, but listed under "external links", I thought it might be an interesting link for people who want to see more artwork or more current things. There are no prices listed anywhere and no sales offers are made. People can just have a look at more information. I hope you can agree with the current changes I made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walter storms galerie (talk • contribs) 15:16, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


 * @Walter storms galerie - Information must come from reliable sources that are independent of the article's subject. Press releases are self-published sources and therefore unreliable. You also have a clear conflict of interest and therefore should not be making edits directly to the article. Your username also violates the WP:ORGNAME provision of Wikipedia's username policy and your account will almost certainly be blocked unless you request a change of username. --Drm310 (talk) 16:00, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Well said. On the one hand I don't mind editors who make their conflict of interest clear in their user name. However, Wikipedia generally takes a very dim view. Sionk (talk) 17:19, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

AfD on Lamb & Lion Ministries
Sionk, I have tried to fix it with no success. I posted the deletion tag on the article believing it not to be notable. But I can't seem to post it on the log so it can be discussed. If you can fix it for me (or even just delete it) I would be very grateful. Quidam65 (talk) 21:36, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I've PROD'd it, seems a better solution. Sionk (talk) 21:53, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Find My Past
I am sorry for the reaction to you removing the text that I submitted. I thought it was someone else doing it. The information I have submitted is valid comment and verifiable with references and hyperlinks to supporting webpages, which I am trying to do now. I have tried to write a balanced report on what is an ongoing situation in order to inform, and I gathered that was what Wiki allowed you to do. I repeat that there is nothing in what I have written which is untrue or unverifiable. Wolfie Smith (talk) 00:34, 11 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfie Smith (talk • contribs) 00:28, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Seems a little unfair that the findmypast page has been edited by a troll until they've managed to comply with sourcing rules and the other side of the coin isn't able to be displayed at all. Can we put back the reasoning removed as promotional language if its in speechmarks to show its a quote from the company? Don't know how more authoritative a direct quote from the CEO on the company website can be when it comes to reasoning behind changes. There's obviously reason behind the changes, despite the fact some people have not liked them. Not too sure about words like deluge too, just seems too subjective. Particularly when on a site with millions of subscribers and the reaction to ancestry changes a month or two ago was the exact same thing and they weren't classed as being deluged? There are maybe fifty or so big complainers and the feedback forum is full of anonymous complaints as a discussion rather than one per customer. Thanks, I appreciate this all has to be neutral and what you are trying to do - just thought it only fair that any controversy is shown in its correct light, particularly when certain Facebook users are chucking around potentially libellous made up facts. - djangoinspired


 * If they've complied with sourcing rules they're not a troll, are they? Findmypast have been given the opportunity to make thier case in the WDYTYA magazine, I don't see why we need to parrot their marketing-speak from their CEO. Maybe "deluged" is too strong, but "over a thousand" complaints is not anywhere near "fifty", is it? Maybe this problem with their website will iron itself out, but I think the paragraaph is adequately sourced and balanced at the mo. Sionk (talk) 05:32, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Please Advise
I have edited the content. Can you please review this page again - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Madame_Clothing

Thanks for your guidance and help! Anilmehta9 (talk) 11:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


 * As you can see, another reviewer has done some work on it. I'm not sure there is any problem with the tone of the article, but there are big problems with the sourcing (as just one example, no sources say the brand was founded in 1993). Sionk (talk) 05:17, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank You! I have edited the content and given more citations as another reviewer explained. Please review my references once again. Hope, this time my article may approve. I am editing from last 4 months. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anilmehta9 (talk • contribs) 11:35, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

"Non-notable driver"
Regarding this edit on Brett Bodine: Please read WP:NSPORT and WP:NMOTORSPORT. An athlete who has "participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level" (which the NASCAR Winston Cup Series is) is notable per the first, and a driver who has "driven in a race in a fully professional series" (which all three of NASCAR's national touring series are) is notable per the second; winning is irrelevant - and your edit summary was erronious anyway, as Brett Bodine has won at the highest level of his sport (he also clears WP:GNG by a country mile). The article is, in fact, badly referenced, but the correct tag here was refimprove. (Also it should be noted that none of the current references are "fansites" - Jayski's is part of ESPN, Racing-Reference is part of the USA Today Sports Media Network, and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway is hardly a fansite.) Please be more careful with tagging in the future, and more aware of the relevant notability standards. Thanks. - The Bushranger One ping only 11:59, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Patronising, but thanks for pointing out the relevant criteria. I agree "driven in a race in a fully professional series" seems to apply here. Can't see how it applies to teams/organizations though. Sionk (talk) 17:31, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


 * It's because a NASCAR Cup Series team is on the same level as a franchise in an other professional sport; also they will all have sufficient coverage to pass WP:GNG anyway, it's just that often (especially for these older teams) it'll be offline coverage. (Or coverage that requires mining through the awkward way they rejiggered the Google news archive, ugh). - The Bushranger One ping only 21:03, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

SpotJobs
Hi Sionk,

Been a bit. . . hope all's well.

Just notified that our article might be up for Speedy Deletion. Can you provide any guidance in this process and/or how best to contest?

Thanks much,Tee (talk) 14:24, 27 April 2014 (UTC)


 * It's no longer up for Speedy Deletion, the reason was plainly wrong so I removed the template myself. But I think someone had been adding content that sounded promotional, and this had brought it to another editor's attention. Many editors get quite aggressive with articles that have a whiff of conflict of interest. The article is likely to be closely monitored by several people, so try and avoid over-selling SpotJobs in any way. Sionk (talk) 17:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sionk,

Thanks ever so much!

Tee (talk) 12:27, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

P.S. wasn't even sure how to comment on your comment

drama
Not sure if you missed the drama over at Sarah Jane Brown - but I thought you may be interested in this little bit of research based on some of your comments last year: Talk:Sarah_Jane_Brown.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 21:16, 29 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Blimey! More page move discussions!! And Wikipedia editors stubbornly continuing to cut off their noses to spite their faces. Thanks for telling me about it, but I think I've got better things to do than to read through it all ;) Sionk (talk) 23:40, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Jonathan Yeo Edits
Hello Sionk,

I'm new to Wikipedia and just wanted to talk about the recent edits to Jonathan Yeo's page. I joined as I follow his career and his page was out of date/quite empty, so thought now would be a good time to help out / add info. Unsure if all my referencing etc. was correct, so will try to take another look.

I'm unsure of the usual rules, but I thought the list of portraits was quite useful? I've used it many a time, and know several student/researcher friends who do the same, quite useful to have a section just to click to quickly + a list to go through all in one place. Also, I'm unsure if all on the list where in the text above.

Also, the list of selection of exhibitions was deleted. Same as above really - I thought this was quite useful? You've mentioned that 'selections' aren't usually done. Perhaps it would be useful to have instead 'Notable Exhibitions'? It's a useful thing to have, as most exhibitions aren't mentioned in the blurb and the list is quite enlightening as to where he's exhibited, and particularly who he's exhibited with - so his inclusion at various galleries, though with other people, is curated and relevant to who and where he is placed with.

I didn't want to rudely 'undo' edits or anything, and obviously I'm new to this, but hope we can talk about coming to some agreement, as I really thought these were useful sections of the page.

Very best,

Hannah

HannahBrown247 (talk) 10:46, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Jonathan Yeo Edits
Hello Sionk,

I'm new to Wikipedia and just wanted to talk about the recent edits to Jonathan Yeo's page. I joined as I follow his career and his page was out of date/quite empty, so thought now would be a good time to help out / add info. Unsure if all my referencing etc. was correct, so will try to take another look.

I'm unsure of the usual rules, but I thought the list of portraits was quite useful? I've used it many a time, and know several student/researcher friends who do the same, quite useful to have a section just to click to quickly + a list to go through all in one place. Also, I'm unsure if all on the list where in the text above.

Also, the list of selection of exhibitions was deleted. Same as above really - I thought this was quite useful? You've mentioned that 'selections' aren't usually done. Perhaps it would be useful to have instead 'Notable Exhibitions'? It's a useful thing to have, as most exhibitions aren't mentioned in the blurb and the list is quite enlightening as to where he's exhibited, and particularly who he's exhibited with - so his inclusion at various galleries, though with other people, is curated and relevant to who and where he is placed with.

I didn't want to rudely 'undo' edits or anything, and obviously I'm new to this, but hope we can talk about coming to some agreement, as I really thought these were useful sections of the page.

Very best,

Hannah

HannahBrown247 (talk) 10:46, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeo has a long list of his exhibitions on his website - http://www.jonathanyeo.com/Exhibitions.asp - which I would think would be the best place to look. The purpose of Wikipedia isn't to act as a substitute/duplicate of someobody's website. I agree, a list of notable exhibitions is a better idea. I removed the long list of group shows because Yeo is far less likely to have been singled out for specific attention in a group show. On the other hand, he's a successful portrait artist so his solo shows will probably have received reviews and critical attention.
 * Similarly, without some sort of reliable proof, a long list of names of celebrities is pretty meaningless. Widely noted commissions, of course, should be mentioned (and described) in the Wikipedia article. Meanwhile, Yeo lists and illustrates all of them on his website - http://www.jonathanyeo.com/Portraits.asp Sionk (talk) 10:58, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay that makes sense about website being the proper place for info. I'm going to try and add an image of him now also, as think that would be a nice addition visually.

For the list of portraits, perhaps it is useful for me to at some point work on more wording then, to talk about significant people who have been left out, but included in the list that used to be on the page. I thought this was nice to have a list as sometimes just interesting to note who else has been painted by him without huge amount of detail/words, when was straightforward commission. But his art looks at power etc. and so is interesting to note who else came under that category for him - let me know if this changes your mind of it being just a list of celebrities, as I thought it it was representative of much more. Or perhaps a timeline + title of these portraits would be useful? Then it's more informative.

I may add 'notable exhibitions' now then as would be good to include the NPG, international and BP ones for example, as they are group shows but useful to know that he was included in that collection. Obviously these shows are curated and people chosen specifically, so it isn't that he just disappears into the melee of other artists, more that he was chosen specifically for inclusion.

Thank you for your help on this, I realise this isn't your sole purpose on wikipedia, but useful to help me making Jonathan's page as good as it should be!

Very best, Hannah HannahBrown247 (talk) 11:14, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I think we're both after a similar thing. Have fun! Sionk (talk) 11:19, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Recycling lives COI
Please look at the article's talk page where Connected contributor has been deployed. The editor who created the whole thing is the marketing manager,Carl Poxon. The name is easy to link to the corporation. Fiddle  Faddle  17:39, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


 * AfC drafts don't normally have Talk pages so I didn't notice. Mind you there is still no explanation or admission that I can see about the COI. Sionk (talk) 21:20, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The article moved to Draft: from the main namespace IIRC. The talk page there never made it. Google Poxon and Recycling Lives. There is some discussion on his talk page, too. Fiddle   Faddle  21:36, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The new Talk page didn't make it out of AfC. I've removed the COI template from the article until there is hard proof of a COI e.g. a declaration from an editor. Off-wiki searches seem to be a bit of a no-no. Sionk (talk) 21:58, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

"Andy Gray (journalist)"
Hi Sionk,

Thank you for reviewing and placing my article in the articles for creation work space. HasteurBot just put it in for speedy deletion yesterday and its gone .... only took a year and half. I made a couple of attempts to prove Andy Gray was "notable" and "verifiable", but it soon became apparent "self-lauding or famous" is almost needed to be notable, and to be verifiable one has to have a presence on the internet. Writing predominantly under pen-names on a typewriter from the 40's to the 70's does not give one the same international verifiability afforded to those living in the computer age. I live in Canada, so unfortunately I was not able to just drop down to the London library or archives for past issues of the Union Jack (The Newspaper for the WWII British Fighting Forces), the New Musical Express, the Melody Maker or the Record Mirror. Wiki is biased towards more current "notables", many of which I would question their notability. You simply need to go to the Wiki page on the NME and see how many links there are to more recent editor's of the NME with their own biography's, even though they only held the position for 2 years or less. No where close to Andy Gray's 15 years as editor, which also include the period of the peak sales of the paper. We live in a different age and Wiki is changing the way our past is remembered.

Happy editing JasMor (talk) 23:35, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * You make a fair comment overall, Wikipedia is biased towards current events and personalities. As far as your draft article is concerned, I understand Hasteurbot is deleting drafts that haven't been worked on for over 6 months. If you're planning to improve the article and re-submit it for consideration I'm sure an admin can restore it for you. Maybe try the Help desk. Sionk (talk) 23:42, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Your Expert Help...
--178.135.175.61 (talk) 08:23, 20 May 2014 (UTC)Hi Sionk! It's Bcd3174. I hope this message finds you well. I have been trying to change the "books" field in the Google Search Wikipedia widget from "The sacred mountain" to "The Sacred Mountain" (i.e. from sentence case to title case). As simple as that but I cannot find the code for that field in the Edit section of the article. Since you're familiar with the page, I would REALLY appreciate it if you could please take 1 minute to change this small but important detail. Thanks in advance. Also, I lost my password and when trying to recover it, Wikipedia tells me there is no email associated with my username (Bcd3174)?! Do you know what I can do?! I am blocked out! Thanks a million!!!


 * Sorry, I can't help. I've no idea what a Google Search Wikipedia widget is! Sionk (talk) 10:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

--94.187.112.78 (talk) 06:42, 21 May 2014 (UTC)If you type "Charles Corm" in Google, an info box appears on the right of the results. That's what I call the "widget"...


 * That seems to be a Google thing, not a Wikipedia thing - you should contact Google. Actually, when I click on "Feedback" it gives you options to suggest corrections to Google. Sionk (talk) 07:19, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Declan Jones
Sionk, Thanks for your comments on my "Draft:Declan Jones" Your comment "... Still no evidence of notability." is difficult for me to understand. I have cited that Declan Jones was one of the youngest winners of a British GT race. Surely that is notability? I have read other wikipedia articles for reference and think that there are other accepted entries with less. I know things have been tightened up on wikipedia but as Declan is only 19 I would think that would be enough for now. Thanks again.

Manlydesign (talk) 17:11, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Nigel Randell Evans
Hi Sionk - I notice you have approved Nigel Randell Evans, my brother, for publication. Both his title line and his father's have the middle name spelt wrong. It displays as Randall and should be Randell. Can you help by giving guidance or by direct action? Jamesd.evans (talk) 09:42, 29 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I did this on the basis his father's surname is Randall Evans and I had no other online sources to prove otherwise. However, it looks like another editor has now moved Nigel Randell Evans to the correct name. Sionk (talk) 10:06, 29 May 2014 (UTC)