User talk:Sionk/Archive 16

Request on 10:27:55, 19 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by StefPap73
Hello Sionk, first off, many thanks for the time you dedicated in reviewing this and for your feedback. The comment on the personal info is well noted - I will either source or edit this section accordingly. As for the independent sources, a quick question please (and asking for your patience, as I am a novice): In the article references I have included links and references with specific focus on the subject like interviews etc. (not passing mentions) from sources such as Bloomberg, CNN, CNBC, Fox News, Deutsche Welle etc., which I believed were independent and notable enough, even more than The Financial Technology Report you mentioned. As these seem to not check all the boxes, if you could please advise on some examples on what other independent sources would be acceptable to enrich and make the article acceptable and not declined due to the subject's lack of notability, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much in advance for this. Best regards, StefPap73.

StefPap73 (talk) 10:27, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * We generally give much more weight to a sizeable news article about someone, than an interview where the subject is talking about themselves. I'm not sure how well known or highly regarded The Financial Technology Report is, but the article seems to be written about Haider from an independent, journalistic point of view.
 * Interviews of Haider about a completely different subject than themselves (such as mobile broadband in Africa) confer notability to the subject under discussion, rather than the interviewee. It does give some indication that the interviewee has some expertise, but they won't prove notability by themselves. Sionk (talk) 20:54, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

StefPap73 (talk) 12:02, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks for your time and the added feedback, Sionk, as well as for bearing with me - again, greatly appreciated.

All is well noted and understood. If I may point out regarding news pieces/interviews, as obviously you can't go through every video posted, that his TV interviews on Huffpost (reference no. 2), CNN Marketplace Africa (reference no. 9), France24 (reference no. 15) CNBC (reference no. 16) and Fox Business Network (reference no. 17) are predominantly focused on him, his business growth and his vision, not the overall mobile infrastructure etc., as you can check for yourself, so I believe they do fit into the notability description in your link above (significant coverage from reliable and independent sources). However, this is my fault - by focusing on keeping a neutral tone of voice due to the COI, I probably have undermined his notability by labeling them wrongly (attributing them on his Davos participation in general), so my apologies for this. I have rewritten the texts to better fit the references.

I have reviewed the draft, adding more sources on him from third parties as well as some more bylines hosted in media. I have added articles that acknowledge him under various capacities (references no. 7 & 8) hoping it will help accredit his notability even more, along with better highlighting the relevant TV interviews about him mentioned above. I also tried to better source/reference the personal info better, as you suggested.

Quick question, please, as I don't know the process at all - is there any chance I can get you or any other willing and experienced member have a quick look at the revised draft prior to me submitting, to let me know if I'm at least on the right track, as I don't want to bug you people with going through the submission process for something not suitable enough for Wikipedia? Or should I just submit and start the process over? Please kindly let me know what the proper process would be.

Thank you once again for all your patience and your support on this! Best regards, StefPap73

Who's John
Hey,

My article was given the feedback to just remove one social media post months ago. I fixed it and figured it would be okay. The sources provided are all valid. There are more already approved articles within the genres cited that have far less info and have all been approved so I'm not sure what the deal is here.

Can you please fix / approve?

IFEELLIKEIMDYING (talk) 08:11, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello IFEELLIKEIMDYING, I hope your User name doesn't reflect your current state of mind.
 * Thankyou for following the advice of the previous reviewer. I was judging your draft article based on WP:NMUSIC, the notability guidance for musicians. I couldn't see anything that suggested Who's John met any of the criteria (music charting in a national chart/music on a major label/multiple examples of journalistic news coverage etc.) so I didn't feel I could accept your draft at the moment. Have a look at WP:NMUSIC and see what you think. Sionk (talk) 19:50, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey,

Thank you for the quick reply.

Who's John has charted #1 on beatport and been featured on spotify playlists. I know beatport is kind of the standard in the world of electronic music so I'd say that is valid enough? I can see how in the overall eyes of music it isnt the same as billboard.

He's also signed on multiple labels relevant to the genres of music he produces. He just played a sold out show with deadmau5 at the Brooklyn Mirage, one of the best music venues in the country.

He has contributed heavily to moombahton, a genre which has its own wiki page that I have contributed too. Its creator Dave Nada has the same or less info as I had listed here.

- If theres anything you can do to push it though that would be amazing. Sorry for the confusion. I may have added it to music instead of electronic music?

IFEELLIKEIMDYING (talk) 20:26, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Beatport has been discussed previously on Wikipedia and it was decided it was not a reliable source (or chart) in these situations. It's basically a giant music sales company. Sionk (talk) 20:46, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Its as reliable as anything else? Its an outlet specifically for electronic music. He is an electronic music artist. How is it not relevant.. same as Itunes, Spotify, Apple music are all the same.

It is the most respected DJ music site for over a decade.

There are a lot of other artists on here with little to no sources or references are have absolutely no relevance at all. Do you want me to link those here for you to see? He has played with A list artists and been contributing to the ride in global bass here in America.

IFEELLIKEIMDYING (talk) 23:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

ALSO: He is signed to multiple relevant record labels which have pages here. Dave Nada owns Hermanito - Dave has his own wiki. Tommie Sunshine owns Brooklyn Fire. Tommie has his own wiki. They aren't MAJOR but are extremely relevant labels within electronic dance music. You need to look at this through that lens please.

IFEELLIKEIMDYING (talk) 23:35, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Political posturing
I've deleted the redirect at Political posturing, so you may like to go ahead with the move. JBW (talk) 12:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

May I ask for your help please re page "Tony miller (art collector)"
Hi Sion

Re https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tony_Miller_(art_collector)

May I ask for your advice please? Following you declined the page due to referencing needing to be reliable and independent.

To my eye, the subject (page) is referenced: and includes CNN, Wall Street Journal, South China Morning Post (Hong Kong's biggest newspaper), LA Times, the relevant Hong Kong government agency pages. Also the official Hong Kong government gazette for Legislative Council (controversy) are there, plus related entries in Library of US congress. Ditto the subjects honours are referenced per Hansard for the British OBE and for the Hong Kong government honours records. Three societies are also referenced on the arts side - Royal Asiatic Society, Asia Society, Oriental Ceramic Society of Hong Kong

Scratching my head a bit how to further reference things, as to my eye those are all solid and independent secondary sources. Or, is it what should be cut away? Or repositioned in the page.

Could you point me in the right direction, thank you. I am motivated to learn and improve further, but am at a stage where expertise like yours could really make a difference. Thank you.

With appreciation, Campbell

Campbell Anderson (talk) 04:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delay in replying, Campbell Anderson. I had to decline your draft because most of the sources are linked to Miller in some way (e.g. societies and clubs he's a member of). The occasional news article appears to mention him only briefly, or seek his opinion about something (rather than profile him or write about him at any length). WP:GNG requires evidence of multiple examples of significant independent journalistic (or book) coverage about the subject. Sionk (talk) 18:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Sion for your note, it helps.

Following your points, I have better curated the links, emphasising sources where the entry is covered at length - ie, full page/long articles. For the links around his controversies with the Hong Kong Legislative Council (Parliament) and the Chief Executive (Prime Minister) I have retained as they seem the necessary official source, but per your point I have combined with media coverage to balance them.

This leaves the several societies where he has spoken. Feel a little stuck here. I take your point that he is a member (I assume he is although haven't found sources), but those societies are also publishers - eg, they have curated the content of his biography / summary of his material. I have flagged these as "Author profiles" see if this helps to keep that clear.

For the papers which he has authored, mmm, I suppose it is fair to park those under "Further reading", if you feel that is the right route, to make it clear. I will follow your further call on that (or any other reviewer who approves/rejects the page).

Thanks again. Appreciate your time on this plus I can see you do a lot for Wikipedia. Feel this is a legit page and hope it can get up to standard. Campbell

Campbell Anderson (talk) 11:06, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Response to decision on 'Axel Behrens' page
Hi Sionk,

Many thanks for taking the time to edit my submission. I understand your comment however I have reviewed the academics notability page and feel Prof Behrens does meet multiple points of the criteria. For example, "The person has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association." He is am EMBO member and also a member of Academia Europaea- both noted and cited on the page. Also, "The person has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon." He is the head of a brand new Cancer Research UK centre joint between two major institutions (one in higher education) bringing convergence science into light- a real breakthrough and exciting move in the world of cancer research. He is also a honorary professor at two universities abroad- this is a title given in recognition to contributions by a non-employee of the university.

I do think the page is justified.

17Lauren21 (talk) 10:07, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

All or none.
Howdy, if you wish to revert all my changes going back to 1700, concerning the 'Year in Wales' articles. That's your choice. But why are you concentrating on 'only' one article? Kinda be strange, having 'one' article different from the others that are part of the same set. GoodDay (talk) 23:31, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It was on my Watchlist. I'd ask you then why you are making wholesale changes to hundreds of articles before getting consensus? Seems a back to front, uncooperative activity. Sionk (talk) 23:39, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I did the B part of WP:BRD & another editor began the D part of it. But, nobody has done a wholesale R on those 'Year in Wales' articles. I think, I'll begin reverting them all back to the prince (princess) of Wales only style. Though it'll look strange, reverting myself. GoodDay (talk) 23:43, 14 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm in the process of reverting my changes back to the status-quo, since two editors have now opposed my edits there. Will complete the task, tomorrow. All.... the way back to 1700. GoodDay (talk) 23:57, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

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Draft Conor Allyn
Hello Sionk! Thank you for taking the time to revise my wikipedia draft on Conor Allyn! Would you be able to offer me some advice on how to get my article approved/showcasing Conor Allyn's notability? I included many articles he is referenced in such as the Los Angeles Times, New York Times, The Hollywood Reporter, and more! I would think that he would be notable since he directed and produced the movie "No Man's Land" which is now released on the showtime network. He is a well respected filmmaker and has had another film of his shortlisted at the Academy Awards. Please let me know if this qualifies him for a wikipedia page and how I can improve my article! Thank you so much! ````

Request on 17:17:36, 29 September 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Emmachernandez
Hello! I am writing to ask how I can improve my wiki page for Conor Allyn to be approved? I've adjusted the sources a couple times to make sure they deem him as notable- he is a director for many big films like "No Man's Land" and a producer on multiple projects that have been shortlisted at the Academy Awards, and he has also been directly referenced in major publications like the New York Times applauding his work. I would assume this qualifies him as notable but please let me know what I can do to modify my article! Thanks!

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Cardiff Council elections and electoral wards
Hi Sionk, Thank you for your ongoing work on the Cardiff Council election and electoral ward-related articles! Just to let you know yesterday I uploaded an svg-format map of the Cardiff Council wards put together with 2022 OS boundary-line data (based on the previous ones by Nilfanion): File:Cardiff UK ward map 2022 (blank).svg. Feel free to use this to update the electoral wards' locator maps (or let me know if you want me to update them). Thanks again --Woodgreener (talk) 20:59, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I've created something similar in preparation for the 2022 results (based on my maps for the 2017 and 2012 results, but with the 2022 boundaries). The next few days are going to be quite hectic I imagine :) Sionk (talk) 22:54, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Waterfront, Swansea
Thankyou for creating the 1st of a few new missing articles after the MapIt update, see User:Crouch, Swale/Mapit for others. I've been making the updates and am nearly finished. For the record in Swansea Three Crosses and Upper Killay communities are still missing though there aren't wards with the same name but there are settlements!  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 21:31, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure what Mapit is, but there's certainly a shed load of updates to do after the boundary reviews across the country. I came across Waterfront, Swansea while trying to update the local election results and ward changes. Let's hope there's not another boundary review for at least 10 years. All the best! Sionk (talk) 21:52, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * A website that lists administrative units, see Swansea subdivisions for example. Communities tend to remain more stable for longer while wards are generally reviewed every 10 years or so so working on communities requires far less updating on average.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 08:20, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

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Swansea election and wards
Hi there. Thanks for all the work on the Swansea electoral wards and 2022 results. My only query is about full names of candidates in the 2017 election. How do we know that the first name is the ‘common name’? I would prefer to leave it as it was unless we know for certain. Happy to follow this up if we can find sources for the names. Macs15 (talk) 20:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)


 * It's unnecessary, excessive personal information, largely about significant numbers of little known people who never have and never will be elected to office. Sure, if you find someone uses a middle name as their known name, I've no problem with that being amended. Sionk (talk) 20:46, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * We can agree to disagreee about this I guess. The important thing is getting as many results as possible included on Wikipedia ... Diolch Macs15 (talk) 23:11, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

NPOV updates and changes
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National Athletics League page
Hi, re this: https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Draft:National_Athletics_League

Has it been declined because my username is similar to the author of some of the authors of the sources? Pauljhalford (talk) 16:00, 31 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Not at all. It's a new athletics league, so we would expect it to be covered in a wider range of journalistic sources than just the Athletics Weekly. If you could add a wider range of independent coverage, then I'm sure the article would be accepted as meeting Wikipedia's notability criteria. Sionk (talk) 17:07, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

"Campaigns"
I wonder if the deletion proposals of Welsh "campaign" articles should be posted in the Wales and Sport in Wales articles' talk pages for a wider view? I only saw them by accident. Regards, T.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  10:53, 11 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Fair point, though the recent contributors to these articles will already be well aware, of course. I posted them to the deletion sorting pages and WikiProject Wales, where they had been raised initially. Sionk (talk) 11:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Jayvé https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayv%C3%A9
Hello. I'm french (my english is poor, sorry). I saw this article by chance. The images are grotesque, the texts are a joke. I don't know who to contact here, I'm not often on the English pages. Maybe you could look at this page or relay my message? Thanks. --Arroser (talk) 00:03, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for the message. I have nominated the article for deletion. We'll see what happens :) Sionk (talk) 11:43, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Ireland is in Europe
Indeed it is. That's why Category:Civil parishes of Ireland is parented to Category:Parishes of Europe since that is the category for civil parishes, as opposed to ecclesiastical parishes or parishes in general (i.e. Category:Parishes). Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It might be a good idea if you stopped trying to pre-empt the outcome of the ongoing CfD. It will get very confusing for everyone else. Sionk (talk) 16:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

2022 Cardiff City Council Elections
I have mentioned several times, before you got involved, how percentages were arrived at.

This is a calculation of the percentage of the ballots cast a candidate won.

E.g. Party a, candidate a - 10 (71.4%) Party a, candidate b - 9 (64.3%) Party b, candidate a - 5 (35.7%) Party b, candidate b - 3 (21.4%) Total ballots - 14

In this example you could see that a 15% swing to party b would result in one candidate being elected, I.e. a split ward.

The alternative, based off the total number of votes rather than ballots (37%, 33%, 19%, 11%) is essentially meaningless.

I have sourced the number of ballots on several occasions, it is not my fault if people are unable to click on a spreadsheet. However this is immaterial, as the number of ballots cast is also available on Cardiff’s own website. Icc27 (talk) 23:31, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I think this issue has been invested with a significance above and beyond its' actual importance. Whilst the Cardiff Council election page includes both ballots issued and total votes cast, the percentages for results are based on total votes only.
 * In the interests of finding a workable way forward I can live (and edit) as per the approach of Icc27. Thoughts Sionk?
 * Benawu2 (talk) 05:57, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I find aggressive and their refusal to engage (until yesterday) perplexing, so I am reluctant to let this go yet. Most readers are not statisticians and the explanation above is meaningless to me. Either they (a) explain the percentages in layman's terms on the article or (b) source the percentages or (c) remove them. This discussion should ideally be on the article Talk page, but Icc27 has a reluctance to do this. Sionk (talk) 10:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * ok so where to from here?
 * Benawu2 (talk) 22:34, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Personally I'm waiting to see whether Icc27 acts reasonably and explains/sources the percentages in the article (they haven't been active for the last few days). Sionk (talk) 23:05, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Investiture of Charles, Prince of Wales
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DYK for Wales bucket hat
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The Traitors citations
Hi, thanks for your edit to The Traitors (British TV series) and the additional citations needed banner. Is there any specific area in the article you think needs more citing? Would be really helpful in order to improve the article :) XxLuckyCxX (talk) 17:32, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't a TV fan site. There are masses of unsourced intricate detail in the article. And it's not as if there isn't lots of media coverage about the series. Sionk (talk) 11:40, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That's understandable! It's quite difficult to cite "voting history" sections (for example) on reality TV articles usually. It is normally the case that these are uncited, as is the case with programmes such as Big Brother (American TV series) or Survivor (American TV series) and it would be quite difficult to find articles that cite every vote cast by every contestant. Will try and find citations for the contestant list though, as that shouldn't be too hard XxLuckyCxX (talk) 22:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)