User talk:Sir Floyd/Archives/2009/November

Re: Thanks Woohookitty
No problem. :) By the way, Do the WikiCleaner 0.98 sounds like a new dance. :) --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 09:41, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing to be sorry about. :) --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 10:00, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: copy edit
Hi Sir Floyd. Regarding your articles: I did some fairly light copyedit work on Kanavelic and somewhat more thorough one on Hatze. This does not necessarily reflect the extent of changes one would ideally like to see, it's just what I felt like doing at the moment. (For the record, I thought that Hatze was quite good for a new article.)

As for the references, say what you're interested in and I'll take a look. GregorB (talk) 18:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Why thank you GregorB! Sir Floyd (talk) 22:12, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's what I got: I've found a picture on Commons and took the liberty of inserting it into your article. I also found a very good reference: http://hrcak.srce.hr/file/26657. It is a scientific paper in both Croatian and English, I think you'll find it useful. I'll take another look and let you know if there's anything more of use. GregorB (talk) 12:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Great Stuff, your liberties are very welcome. Thanks GregorB! Sir Floyd (talk)

Should Persecution of Falun Gong be renamed into something else?
That is the question that is repeated again here: Talk:Persecution of Falun Gong. Since you are not an involved editor, would it be possible for you to provide an input? Thank you in advance for your time! --HappyInGeneral (talk) 17:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand, that is OK, and thank you for your advice. If you know somebody who would be interested in this topic please let him know. The point is that the page does need some impartial assessment. Thank you again. --HappyInGeneral (talk) 00:50, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Index template
Your index looks better then mine. Is Cluebot doing it all? Thanks --HappyInGeneral (talk) 00:55, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't know, maybe it's the latest model. Sir Floyd (talk) 01:40, 4 November 2009 (UTC)



Talkback
Thank you! HappyInGeneral (talk) 09:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Title
Well it certanly feels like I'm very much alone. As I understood it, Wikipedia is based on consensus between Editors & Ivan Rumora-Jnr has got the needed consensus. You have to give him credit there. Strange considering the news that's coming out of Slovenia & Croatia "100 000 POWs murdered by Tito's Regime just after WW2". The enomority of this is beyond belief. My family on both sides fought on Tito's side and we are all having trouble coming to terms, with what was realy going on.Sir Floyd (talk) 00:03, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Your ancestors both fought in the Yugoslav Communist resistance? I could be wrong but I don't think you're Yugoslav. Did I misunderstand you? Maybe all that's meant by that comment is that your grandparents fought for the Allies side. Interestingly enough, and since I seem to be the topic here, my family was/is very conservative... which is pretty much why I'm anti-communist I guess. And Floyd, your problem is your lack of any clear sources. Nothing more. You've nicely elaborated on how horrible Bleiburg was, yet you've not produced one historian that actually thinks the man ordered any of that. -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 00:30, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I know you're "very much alone", but I'd appreciate it if you familiarized yourself with WP:HARRASS. All of the above is very much against Wikipedia policy... -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 00:33, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw the situation arising here, that ip was blocked and of course Direktor is free to remove any such comment that he finds anywhere. I would just say that you guys get on better when you don't meet. Take care, try to assume at least a little bit of good faith. Off2riorob (talk) 02:36, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think he was really attacking, it is upsetting when a post like was posted here appears, and we shouls all help to stop posts like that appearing. I would suggest archiving the small discussion and moving on, moving the comment manually to your archives to remove the issue. I will do that for you if you like. Off2riorob (talk) 03:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Off2riorob Request
Hi Off2riorob, I'll give it some thought since it's you asking me. You have to understand since the Commissions Report there has been something strange happening, that I have never witness in my community, I guess we are hurting. Are you familiar with the Commissions Report? It has brought a raw truth to my life. There is no way around it because it is factual. The Tito article should reflect the facts? Ivan (the Director) is a young man who has got it wrong. I myself have been in the former Yugoslavia and am part of it's history, and also have studied History. My heart is good I wish nobody ill will :) Regards Sir Floyd (talk) 15:42, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

ANI note
Hi Sir Floyd, you have been named in a thread hre at ANI, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 02:11, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello Sir Floyd. If you have actually engaged in WP:OUTING another editor, please join the ANI discussion and explain why you should not be blocked. I assume that the outing has actually taken place because three edits have been oversighted from your talk page, as one can easily see in the edit history. EdJohnston (talk) 02:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Sir Floyd
Thanks for your good will Off2riorob :)


 * ps I wrote a song called Blue Girl (it was a very long time ago) Sir Floyd (talk) 03:30, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Floyd, please for the sake of calm sanity try to edit in areas not populated by Direktor as nothing will come of it except dispute, there are, I would say, unsolvable differences of opinion between you guys, you will both enjoy editing more if there is distance between you, this is nothing more than a friendly suggestion, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 14:42, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Attempted outing
Hi, I know that your request for clarification was meant for Direktor but maybe I can explain where you went wrong and that can be the end of this sorry affair? It appears that whenever you and Direktor meet an argument insues so I think that me clarifying the point may avoid such a pointless scenario.

Basically an attempted outing is a breach of WP:HARASS and is essentially where one user attempts to identify another user without their permission by posting personal information (such as first name as was the case in the post in question). Such behaviour is not at all acceptable on Wikipedia and is usually met with an immediate block (I'm surprised you haven't got one already) due to its severity.

So, now that you know what you did wrong why not try and not do it again? If you receive a block for your actions then I think you should accept it, take it as a lesson and move on. Like I've said to Direktor, I think you should heed Off2riorob's advice and try and avoid eachtother because it appears that wherever you two meet, chaos ensues. Please assume good faith on WP and NEVER act incivil despite what another user may say/do. Deal with problems properly otherwise you yourself will become the problem. Thanks, RaseaC (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes I agree, it seems to be wrong what ever outing is. Give me change to read up on it, I seem to be jumping from page to page. I did leave a my responce on the other page. Thanks for your imput RaseaC, it was sharp and concise & helpful. We seem to be edting at the same time. Sir Floyd (talk) 14:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

One way to end this, I would suggest Sir Floyd makes a declaration that he will stay away from and not comment on anything to do with Direktor for a month or two, that would include not editing articles where Direktor is actively editing. Off2riorob (talk) 14:23, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Off2riorob! I agree no Sir Floyd & Director interaction for month and I'll read up outing. Regards Sir Floyd (talk) 14:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Offriorob are you still log on. I have now touch base with the all the talkpages. RaseaC speaks wisely, can we contine the tread here. Sir Floyd (talk) 14:57, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, easy tiger. Off2riorob (talk) 14:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * So would you agree as an act of good faith, to not contact Direktor and not edit any article that Direktor is actively editing for one month? Off2riorob (talk) 15:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I Sir Floyd agree as an act of good faith, to not contact Direktor and not edit any article that Direktor is actively editing for one month. Sir Floyd (talk) 15:08, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Moving to the Admin incident board. Off2riorob (talk) 15:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it be wise that I contact you if the Block Editors knock on my door again or about anything else Off2riorob. Sir Floyd (talk) 15:19, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I was watching, but I wanted to allow it to unravel between you pair. Off2riorob (talk) 15:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * & what did you see? Sir Floyd (talk) 15:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I@ll save that for when the issue is resolved, best regards. Off2riorob (talk) 15:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help, should have taken your advice in the first place. I have to log off now as it's nearly midnight (Aussie time) here and tomorrow is a big day. Cheers Sir Floyd (talk) 15:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sweet dreams. Off2riorob (talk) 15:57, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Good Morning World, Off2riorob are you log on? Sir Floyd (talk) 23:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Sir Floyd, good morning to you. Off2riorob (talk) 23:16, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm using my Macbook so I'm mobile. Can I make a comment about the last entry on the Administrators' noticeboard? Sir Floyd (talk) 23:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You can if you like, but as I see it the report is stagnant, Direktor made that edit just as it otherwise would have been auto archived (threads with no comment for 24 hrs are auto archived) so without his comment the thread would have been archived, and since then no admin has shown any interest in it .. so tomorrow it will again go for auto archive 3 30 ish, so I would leave it alone, but comment if you have a response that you want to add, of course you can. Direktor is refusing your offer?? which is disappointing, so if he doesn't accept it, I doubt if you can be held to it, it would then be purely voluntarily. Basically imo there is not a lot of substance to the report and so no one has paid it much attention although it brings your name to peoples attention and you should pay attention not to comment about Direktor or to get involved with him in any way or bigger drama will ensue. Off2riorob (talk) 23:30, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I also commented on Direktors talkpage suggesting he checkuser you to finish with the accusations but he didn't take up the suggestion and I think you said you were on a different continent..so.. see, it is better to enjoy the wiki and make articles and amigos and so on. Off2riorob (talk) 23:33, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I'll leave the noticeboard alone?
 * As I said, its obvious that the OUTING and the talkpage dispute are two completely seperate issues. Your suggestion, Off2riorob, would solve one of those problems and in that capacity I naturally accept - I am in favor of your proposal. However, that does not resolve the serious violation of Wikimedia privacy policy on the part of User:Sir Floyd. (I felt my position should be clarified to the both of you so I posted here, I apologize if this was offensive in any way.) -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 23:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

You're still on my watchlist so I'll throw in my two cents here following my (possibly ranty) reply on the AN/I. I'll be honest when I first saw the thread I thought it was pretty simple; you should be blocked for OUTING. However, you have since shown a degree of maturity and DIREKTOR, despite his claims of harassment, seems unwilling to raise the appropriate complaints for whatever the reason may be and now just seems to be repeating himself on the thread. I couldn't agree more with Off2riorob (I was going to say much the same as he did before he beat me to it); go ahead and reply if you want but remember you agreed to have no contact, even if he hasn't accepted that offer I think you should still honour it. At the end of the day I don't think there's anything you can say that will help anyway, the other editor seems unwilling to listen to anyone's advice so I would just let the AN/I thread gert archived, forget about it and try your hardest not to get drawn into conflict with him. RaseaC (talk) 23:44, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed, I was going to say that is started with this ip 66.21.1.75. Sir Floyd (talk) 23:51, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * We're getting dangerously close to you two having another 'discussion' and we all know where that leaves us. SirFloyd, I really would just leave it and spend your time more constructively on WP. RaseaC (talk) 23:54, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * What else need I say? I keep repeating myself because there is little else that needs to be discussed about the OUTING. Least of all the "maturity" of one's apology. I do not think Sir Floyd is a sockpuppet, I believe he may be part of a WikiClique with an agenda against me. Should his harassment and dozens of offensive "reports" against me be discussed? Naturally, but that is another matter. I hate to have to say this but apologies don't really count for much in this case. It is plainly obvious after months of aggressive attempts at getting me blocked that this account harbors an intense animosity towards me, and any objective observer will conclude that he is simply doing his best not to get blocked. I'm not a "vengeful" spiteful person, but as I've said 1) the situation could hardly be more serious, and 2) the user was warned and scorned the warning. -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 23:56, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Edit conflict.
 * I am sure it isn't offensive and that we are adult enough to come to a solution regarding this, the outing as I see it has been repeatedly posted around not by Floyd but by these ips, I have seen them various times, and Floyd should not and I am sure he will agree (if he did not know perhaps that it is wrong to comment regarding those details) that he will not comment in any way regarding those details in future, perhaps this promise and the previous promise to stay away for a month (perhaps this could if it works well, be extended later) from you and from articles that you are actively editing could settle the situation, under these conditions and agreements it would be detrimental to Floyds position if these agreements were broken.Off2riorob (talk) 23:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok I agree to Off2riorob & RaseaC. Thanks for input guys that was very helpfull Sir Floyd (talk) 00:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Good work
Hi there Sir Floyd, I noticed your recent work, very good. That is what the wikipedia is about, regards to you from Off2riorob (talk) 13:11, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Off2riorob. Your pretty good yourself. So whats new? Sir Floyd (talk) 13:17, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Not much, I am still bumping around finding myself little tasks and discussion to join in with and keep myself out of trouble, that is a good idea here. Off2riorob (talk) 13:47, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes Off2riorob, that is a good idea. Sir Floyd (talk) 13:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Our Lady of Angels/Lumbardian Decree-Psefizam
Will be done by the end of the day, hopefully. GregorB (talk) 13:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks GregorB, as we say here, you rock! Cheers Sir Floyd (talk) 13:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. I've left a couple of comments at the articles' talk pages. Cheers, GregorB (talk) 21:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks GregorB! Will check it out. Sir Floyd (talk) 06:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I Wonder What Off2riorob is Doing Now?
I Wonder Sir Floyd (talk) 13:14, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ha ha, waking up and thinking wtf! Off2riorob (talk) 13:17, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Are doing some Wiki stuff there?
 * wtf? Sometimes I despair about mankind, all the borders and separations, religion and atheiism, black and white and how the default condition is aggression...what the f--k! he he Off2riorob (talk) 13:21, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

How about hmmm...., let me think now? Keeping it simple, may be? They are very big issues you mention there, may be we talk about it over a cup of coffee. :)
 * Yes, please, no sugar and a shot of cognac in mine please. Off2riorob (talk) 13:54, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I prefer whiskey, Ok I got something! The Universe is a big place & you can't possibly solve it's problems! You're doing well. Sir Floyd (talk) 14:10, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If you can simply relax and accept that existence is mysterious you become in tune with the heartbeat of life. Off2riorob (talk) 14:51, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Do you think they are ok? I think it's time to scale them down! Thanks for the visit Sir Floyd (talk) 00:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Scanning the horizon for Off2riorob ... I see that User:Sir Floyd certainly keeps a lot of balls in the air. lol Cheers. Proofreader77 (talk)
 * What?!?! Make balls smaller?!? Never hear something like that from me. :) (Note to 3rd party observers - the discussion is regarding the bouncing Wikipedia globes on Sir Floyd's user page.) Proofreader77 (talk) 00:20, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * So what you're saying, Proofreader77 "big balls" are good. We have a consensus!Sir Floyd (talk) 00:25, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Ha ha, you guys, thank you very much, both of you for making me smile, cool. Off2riorob (talk) 00:13, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Don Marko Bon of Zrnovo
On the 10th of June 1715, Turkish pirates set out to raid one of the provinces of the Republic of Venice, Dalmatia. It is well documented that the two empires had their fair share of conflicts between each other over the centuries. Sailing around Korcula in two of their galleys, they disembarked at the bay of Brna and 260 of them went on to plunder the island. Firstly they set houses on fire in Smokvica. Then they moved on to the next village of Zrnovo.

When they set fire to the house of the parish priest, Don Marko Bon of Zrnovo, Marko decided to fight back. In the process he killed two of them. The pirates took him in chains to Ulcinj. There he was sold in public as a slave. After two years of searching for him, his relatives found him and managed to buy him back. Don Marko Bon returned to his village of Zrnovo on the Island of Korcula.
 * Good Morning 151.95.254.117! I'm afraid I cannot interven until the 9th of Dec. I have made a good faith arrangement with Editors Off2riorob & RaseaC. Part of that agreement is not to participate on the Tito issue. Regards Sir Floyd (talk) 00:26, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * If I recall you were informed that this IP belongs to a banned user also responsible for WP:OUTING violations. You promised to no longer associate with banned users that threaten editors, and yet here you are planning a "timed intervention". The silly "agreement" is half-violated as it is. I certainly hope you will not restart your POV-pushing, as I assure you I intend to once more bring to light the fact that you are the non-banned spokesman for this banned "clique" of thugs. Best regards and hopes for a continued lack of hostilities, -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 01:14, 4 December 2009 (UTC)