User talk:Sir Joseph/Archive 7

Nashef
Out of curiosity, what brought you to that page for your first ever edit to either the talk page or the article? Also, WP:ROLLBACK is to be used for vandalism. Not reverting edits you disagree with. Misuse of that tool can lead to the user right being revoked.  nableezy  - 17:53, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I saw you post on Debresser's page about a 1RR so wanted to see what the fuss was about. I was just going through your contributions to see what is was all about and came upon this page, and decided I can add a filmography section that I copied and pasted. 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸 (talk)  17:55, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Ill be returning the favor of going through your contributions to seek out conflict.  nableezy  - 17:05, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That is called hounding. Seeking out conflict is NAGF and is not something that I have done or do. You have just made a personal attack stating I went through your contributions to seek out conflict. I suggest you strike that out. 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸 (talk) 17:10, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You went through my contributions, admitted as such here, reverted an edit on a page you had never once been to. How exactly is that not conflict that you sought out? And now you whine when I say Ill do the same? Sorry, I dont take kindly to such hypocrisy.  nableezy  - 17:14, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I went through your recent contributions to see which ones Debresser was 1RR and saw something. That is allowed. You admitted that you are going to go through my contributions to seek out conflict. That is not allowed. 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸 (talk) 17:17, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, so you decide whats allowed? Cute. Sorry, have some edits to look at. Ill be on my way now.  nableezy  - 17:20, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't decide, policies do. You admitted that you are going to seek out conflict and that is hounding/stalking. 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸 (talk) 17:22, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * To repeat, you followed me to an article you have never edited, and have now reverted me multiple times, once to revert a years long compromise and now again to foolishly restore drive by edits by IPs interested only in removing Palestinians from Palestine. You think that is not seeking out conflict? You have a rather hypocritical way of looking at things.  nableezy  - 17:24, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Shall I also remove the filmography table I put on the page? You don't OWN the page. I came upon the page and made edits. You are admitting you are going to stalk me to seek out conflict. 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸 (talk) 17:26, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Also cute. You "came upon the page" by tendentiously going through my contributions so that you could provide backup at a page to an editor you identify with. And while doing that, you saw fit to edit a different page that the person who you were seeking to provide backup to had not edited, and then removed a years long consensus there to restore an arbitration decision violation. "Came upon the page", please. At least you were honest enough to admit it at the beginning, though now I see youve shifted to a more banal explanation.  nableezy  - 17:29, 15 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Now you are casting aspersions. I came upon the page because I wanted to see what was going on. You need to stop NOW. 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸 (talk) 17:31, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Casting aspersions you say? By repeating what you said? I was just going through your contributions is your first response here. You did not c[o]me upon the page because [you] wanted to see what was going on, you went through my contributions and used rollback in a way that is disallowed to revert an edit that had consensus on the talk page and had been made enforcing an arbitration decision. You should have realized by now that you cant run circles around me when the links to all the edits are available for anybody to see. All thats needed here is you saying I wont go through your contributions anymore and I wont improperly use rollback. Those are the things that actually need to stop NOW.  nableezy  - 17:37, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

black september
there is no article Black September (group). It is a redirect to Black September Organization. That is the correct page to link to. 96.232.177.125 (talk) 19:42, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you're right. 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸 (talk) 19:44, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

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Close
May want to specify that Marek was not the one blocked, though I'm sure he has many fans that wish it were the case. Timothy Joseph Wood 19:02, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸 (talk) 19:12, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Your suggestion at ARE
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International date line in Judaism

 * 1) Thank you for marking as B-class (at least). I'm gun-shy about taking it to GA, because reviewers without familiarity with Judaism tend to tear things apart. See my experience at Shemini Atzeret. I might be convinced to put it up for A-class review solely within WP Judaism without going to GA status. I'd appreciate your thoughts.
 * 2) I explicitly did not capitalize when referring to any possible "line" in Judaism, because there is neither a formal line nor full agreement as to what it is. (It is therefore hard to think of the phrase as really a proper noun referring to some specific place.) Accordingly, you will find capital DL "always" in the article when it refers to the conventional Date Line, but "dl" lower case when it refers to any possible Jewish religious construct. If you don't agree with that, let's discuss on the article's talk page. Let's say that's my preference, rather than my insistence , but the appropriate place to decide is that talk page. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:34, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

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21:21:45, 12 December 2016 review of submission by Luzn O
Hi Sir Joseph,

I'm super new to Wikipedia so please forgive me if I'm not following certain standards... I would just like to know why you did not consider salto-youth a reliable source: It is part of a national agency of the European Commission, which in return is a political institution that belongs to the European Union. Since salto-youth is in charge of the European Training Strategy, this is the source that I have to use for information about it. Is there a tip you could give me for clarifying this better in the article?

Thank you, Luzn_O
 * Salto-youth doesn't belong to the EU. It appears to be a commercial entity operating due to the EU's strategy for youth training. In any case, you need reliable sources, and reliable third party sources for your article. The easiest would be news sources and similar to that. 🔯 Sir Joseph <sup style="color:Green;">🍸 (talk) 21:24, 12 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your quick answer and the news sources tips, which are unfortunately difficult to obtain in such a specific field. I'll try my best. However, I would like to point out that Salto-Youth is not a commercial entity. It is financed within the Erasmus+ budget, hence public not private. Luzn_O — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luzn O (talk • contribs) 21:46, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

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Removal of the entry Mirza Ghulam Ahmad from the wikipedia page "Mujaddid"
Thanks for the review and response, the request was to remove "Mirza Ghulam Ahmad" from the list of Mujaddids from the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujaddid

The reason why to remove has been given in our discussion below. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mujaddid/Archive 2#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_14_Dec_2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jssyedmadar (talk • contribs) 04:49, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Shneur Zalman of Liady
Hello,

You reverted my changes that were intended to unify the transliterations of hebrew pronunciation of names into english. For example, in line 5, there is "Baal HaTanya ve-haShulchan Aruch',  "Admor HaZaken", i.e. the sephardi pronunciation and next:  "Rabbeinu HaZokein", "Rabbeinu HaGodol" i.e. one of the different ashkenazi pronunciations (not even the lubavitch one which is "hagodeil"!). I think it is important to use a consistent and constant system of transliteration, and since the sephardi one is the most widespread and prevailing, it is the one that should be used.

"Sipurie" doesn't exist in hebrew: it's either "sipure" or "sipurei".

In the reference "hayomyom" at the date of the 7th of shvat it is written that he was 12 years old: ז שבט בהיות אדמו"ר הזקן בן תשע שנה למד חכמת ההנדסה והתכונה. בן עשר - סדר לוח על חמש עשרה שנה. בהיותו בן שנים עשר נזדמן שלמד ברבים הלכות קדוש החדש להרמב"ם, ולא מצאו הגאונים, שהיו באותו מעמד, ידיהם ורגליהם בבית המדרש. Therefore that was not his bar-mitwah speech.

I don't understand why you reverted my " accession of Tsar Alexander I (Alexander I of Russia) to the throne" to the former "elevation". What is the meaning of "elevating" someone?

I hope you therefore will revert to my revision.

Yours, Elie אלימיט (talk) 17:32, 15 December 2016 (UTC)אלימיטאלימיט (talk) 17:32, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You need reliable sources. Please take this conversation to the talk page so you can get more input from other editors who will be able to offer more help on the subject. 🔯 Sir Joseph <sup style="color:Green;">🍸 (talk) 17:35, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

You are not answering to any of my explanations! And as for a "reliable source", I cited from the same "hayomyom" which was noted as reference, written by the last rebbe. If this is not a reliable source, I don't know what is.אלימיט (talk) 08:21, 16 December 2016 (UTC)אלימיטאלימיט (talk) 08:21, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

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Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion
Hello, Sir Joseph. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. I have sought administrator input into the lack of mention in the article that an accident by a car in the police-led motorcade of Schneerson caused the death of a Black child, and triggered the riots, and that he had no comment on the events or the death of a Black child. I have faced recurrent deletion of well sourced material by Kemal Tebaast, Debresser, and Bus Stop. They do not seek to resolve the issue. This is due to a bias by these editors to delete mention of this events linked to Schneerson. Rococo1700 (talk) 03:50, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with removing a heading for Crown Heights riot from the article. I strongly urge some other compromise. Change the title, or move a subsection to another part of the article. My strong opposition to your move is listed in the talk section.Rococo1700 (talk) 15:52, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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Electoral Reform
Hi Sir Joseph,

I just received your message notifying me that you undid my recent edits to the Electoral Reform article. Would you be so kind as to elaborate as to the reasons that my edits were not acceptable (I'm very new to editing Wikipedia articles)? I did not remove any content, but simply updated the page with information about the recent Prince Edward Island plebiscite on electoral reform and about the Green Party of Canada resolution adopting Mixed Member Proportional Representation as its preferred voting model, and I provided citations for both of these additions. Please let me know what I may have done wrong. Thanks! - Jordanbober (talk) 19:38, 20 December 2016 (UTC)Jordan Bober
 * Hi Jordan, what ended up happening with your edits is that you removed most of the article. Firstly, you can select "edit" on certain sections so that you are only editing that section and not the whole article. Second, it's always a good idea to hit "preview" before submitting to see if the edits match what you think it should be. If you look at the page history, you'll see what I'm describing. 🔯 Sir Joseph <sup style="color:Green;">🍸 (talk) 19:53, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Sorry about that Joseph, and thanks for letting me know what happened! Jordan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordanbober (talk • contribs) 19:28, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Consensus
Last time I read the talkpage of Schneerson, at most the number of people in favor was equal to the number of people against. That does not make consensus for such controversial material. Keep in mind that the burden of proof for consensus is on the party that wants to add the material. Especially since I am now convinced Rococo1700 is having competence issues. Simply put, I think he's 1. a bit obsessed with this issue 2. not completely adequate. Debresser (talk) 00:14, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Did you try to edit the Pablo Picasso page. If so what were you trying to edit and why. I have tried but I don't know how to edit anyway. I am new to Wikipedia, please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HLC (talk • contribs) 13:03, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

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Reliable Source Noticeboard
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Regarding your comment on the noticeboard, I want to first thank you and then ask you to elaborate a little bit. I appreciate your time.--Kazemita1 (talk) 05:28, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

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Kushner
Hi! Apologies for that, I actually wasn't aware. Thanks for the heads up. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:18, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

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Benzion Klatzko
Hello Sir Joseph

I am Benzion Klatzko. I have been trying to add citations to a page posted about me. I am just learning how to use Wikipedia. I see it says article being considered for deletion. Can you please let me know if I am doing something incorrectly? I am simply trying to add sources to the page for reference.

Thanks so much!

Benzion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.203.35.236 (talk) 05:29, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, to start you can't edit articles about yourself. It is a conflict of interest. See here, WP:COI for more information. The article needs to be properly sourced, not with blogs or PR Newswires. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 05:35, 15 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Benzion Klatzko—May I suggest you use the "Talk" page of the article to make suggestions, such as those concerning the addition of citations? The Talk page can be linked to here. This is because it is prefferable that you allow others to make the necessary edits to the Benzion Klatzko article as it is perceived that you have a self-interest. Also one more suggestion: in my opinion it would be a good idea if you establish an account and "sign" your posts with four "tildes". I know this seems complicated. But it is a trifle. Please see Why create an account?. As for "signing" your posts with four tildes, you can read about that at Signatures, but most of that is not applicable. Thank you, and I hope doesn't mind me butting in here. Bus stop (talk) 12:20, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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Pictures of rabbis
Hi Sir Joseph. Do you have access to my Sandbox (I'm a newbie and not sure how everything works). On my Sandbox you will see the gallery of rabbis I posted on the Rabbi page and that deBesser deleted. It has a picture of Rabbi Sacks. Let me know what you think. All the best. Twelve Manhattan (talk) 19:05, 16 January 2017 (UTC)Twelve Manhattan
 * I would be OK with the following as descriptive of rabbi. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 19:09, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Interesting. I notice the Reform woman rabbi is absent along with the Orthodox Rabbanit. What is your thinking for not having their pictures in the gallery? Also the Lubavitcher rebbe is absent. Same question. Thanks for responding! Twelve Manhattan (talk) 16:44, 17 January 2017 (UTC)Twelve Manhattan
 * I took out the reform ones because they are not famous or notable. Geiger is there to represent Reform and Schechter is there to represent conservative. I took out the Lubavitcher Rebbe because we already have orthodox/ultra orthodox representation. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 16:50, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't agree that famous and/or notable are the correct criteria. It's supposed to be a cross section of rabbinic types. It's supposed to represent what the rabbinate looks like. Btw all the ones included have wiki pages--and are famous and notable in their own right--such as the first Reform woman rabbi to have a synagogue in Israel, the first Orthodox rabbanit. Further, given the newness of women rabbis and relatively small numbers, I'm not sure they've had the time yet to achieve fame.


 * If the gallery doesn't look like the rabbinate today, it doesn't serve its function. I can see adding to the gallery--such as your suggestion to include Rabbi Sacks--but not deleting rabbis (with wiki pages, no less!) whom some feel should be included. More, not less. To give a better picture of what the rabbinate is. Twelve Manhattan (talk) 19:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)Twelve Manhattan
 * I agree somewhat, but we can't include everybody, it will make the gallery too large, so we have to narrow it down. As an aside, it might be better to continue this discussion on the talk page of the article. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 19:41, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Ben Cline
Will you show me how to type up my requested edits in the x to y format, as you requested? Thanks!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.147.59.15 (talk) 20:02, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Simple, you say please change X to Y. Put what is currently in the article at X and put in your changes at Y. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 20:13, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Category move
I see you have been moving categories. Presumably you know you are not supposed to do this? Categories can only be moved using the WP:CfD process. You can request speedy moves if the move is not controversial, but the Mandatory Palestine ones clearly are as the Mandate didn't come into existence until 1920. I will be undoing your edits shortly. Number  5  7  03:39, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't presume, maybe assume. How would I know you can't move a category especially if the move link is available? I was just following the standards of the rest of the decades. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 03:51, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

January 2017
hi sir, why did you delete the link i footnoted ? whats the problem with that source ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaimgreen (talk • contribs) 06:35, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Judaism edit revert
Hello. I can see you reverted my edit to Judaism, and I accept your reasons for doing so as valid. Would you accept as a citation reference, then? Peterravn (talk) 02:15, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that site passes RS. Besides, again it's an opinion piece. Claiming that Judaism doesn't require belief in God is something that needs impeccable references. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 02:50, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The text currently doesn't claim that Judaism doesn't require belief in God, but only that some believe that it does not. I would argue that two separate sources (and I found more than those two) stating this belief, written within the Jewish community, constitute a clear indication that such a belief is certainly held by some Jews. However, I do agree that such a reference should be impeccable (as, ideally, any reference should).


 * At any rate, it is not a matter that is of great importance to me. My mission was to kill off a "citation needed" marker (I came upon the subject via Citation Hunt ), not to initiate a dispute. If you feel this strongly about the matter, I will drop it, for the time being. Should I come across the perfect reference (I'll ask a rabbi friend of mine whether he can suggest something, when his time zone wakes up), I will revisit the subject. Thank you for your time. Peterravn (talk) 13:56, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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ANI notice posted to Wtshymanski was fake
The IP that posted that notice Vandalized the real ANI and changed it which was reverted, This is the real ANI, it's not a violation as the IP posted. <b style="color:Red">Chris "WarMachineWildThing" </b> Talk to me 02:17, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * No. There was an earlier ANI incident, which incidentally is the cause for the second ANI that you are referring to. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 02:29, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Apologies, after the edit the IP made on ANI I did not even pay attention to the date on the Talk. Again my apologies. <b style="color:Red">Chris "WarMachineWildThing" </b> Talk to me 02:39, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Concerning the Milo Yiannopoulos WP article
Hello, Sir Joseph. There is once again a discussion concerning Mr. Milo Yiannopoulos background. Could you help out? Talk:Milo Yiannopoulos. Thank you! Regards, RudiLefkowitz (talk) 14:41, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

FYI
I saw your edit on Talk:Milo Yiannopoulos. I originally was going to make the same edit, but found that on Template:Ds/talk notice the use of Ds/editnotice is recommended for when specific restrictions like 1RR are placed on a page. Just wanted to share since I had the same thought about the use of Ds/editnotice on the talk page.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 19:21, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It's a little unclear but the meaning of the USE section was that you can use it in an editnotice, but for pages under special restrictions, use the editnotice. But for the talk page, you can use it, I just used the more extended version.

"You may use this on the article talk page. You may also use it in an article edit notice for general information; however, edit notices about a special "page restriction" deployed under discretionary sanctions should instead be advertised using the special template." Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 19:58, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

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Jewish descent category
Well, I'm not the one who moved the category. I moved the articles, yes, but the category move had already been done.

I take your point, but the problem is...well, everything else in follows that pattern, so this category was an outlier. I have no objection to another change of name, but I'd suggest looking at some of the others as well to ensure that the differential is observed. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:00, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I posted a CFD so we'll get more input. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 02:02, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Transliteration correction
Can you elaborate on the revert you just did other than "Nope." Kh doesn't represent the Hebrew חית (Het or Chet), but rather the כאף (Khaf). Thanks Contributor613 (talk) 02:23, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * ? Contributor613 (talk) 03:43, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

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it is actually educational.
if you had me added as a friend on facebook you would've been able to understand what im talking about. I'm trying to make a point about how people rarely make the effort to educate themselves through the internet, which is at our fingertips. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starkooky (talk • contribs) 23:33, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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Doxxed
And would would "doxxed" mean? Debresser (talk) 19:10, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Doxing basically, they outed you on the internet. Granted, I'm not sure how much of an outing it is since it takes a few seconds to figure out who you are, but it's still not cool. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 19:11, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I see. You saw my Facebook? It is linked in the discussion. mentioned this outing in a post of mine. Debresser (talk) 19:15, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I've seen it before. :) I think you should complain to TOI and tell them to remove the post or at least the comment where they pointed to your FB account. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 19:23, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * On the one hand I agree. On the other, the person meant it in a good way. He wanted to show that I am a religious Jew and it is not likely that I was paid by Saudi Arabia. I have had no problematic posts on Facebook. Debresser (talk) 20:25, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Dovid, how could you be doxxed? You identify yourself on your user page. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:35, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Right, so it's not a real doxxing, but if I write an article on another site and I then mention the username and then link to his Facebook, it might not be doxxing but it's still not that cool. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 21:38, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * No, it's not that cool. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:42, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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Hi. Have you every run into an editor named David Tornheim before? just showed up at the discussion on Jewish right spouting some odd opinions.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:42, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have but I can't recall where but the name comes right out at me. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 14:30, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

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 * Is there a short course on the ANI thing? Figuring it out just looked daunting, sheet volume of comments.

The RFC I love so much?
You really need to knock it off with the childish insults, especially as it only reaffirms my position that you are far too emotionally engaged to be editing Jewish categories.The Human Trumpet Solo (talk) 21:57, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

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Sweden, yes, it is a crappy place to be right now

 * SWEDEN BURNING: Stockholm in flames as car fire epidemic rages in 'no-go' zone
 * Sweden Democrats: Trump was right
 * Actually, Sweden Is Having Big Trouble With Mideast Refugees
 * Scandinavia: The West's Citadel of Anti-Semitism
 * Why Trump didn't get it so wrong about Swedenistan
 * Malmo Police Chief requesting help
 * Interior Minister discuss crime in Malmo
 * Trump Is Right: Sweden’s Embrace of Refugees Isn’t Working
 * Angry Swedes confront government officials


 * Rape and Sexual Offenses, from the source


 * Strange--my aunt, who has lived all her adult life in Sweden, and her children have mentioned nothing like this. Like, nothing at all, as if none of these things are actually true. But perhaps they read other newspapers. Sir Joseph, sure, it's your talk page, but this isn't exactly Wikipedia-related, and you're citing things that we don't cite here, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Swedes and half-Swedes among us are really, really offended by this kind of stuff. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 03:25, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * There's nothing for me to say regarding your first point, I've seen videos and you can't really deny the BRA statistics, and Foxnews is a RS, especially when they are quoting politicians in Sweden. Is The Local a RS?, or SVT, which aired a video with a Swedish Minister basically saying he doesn't know what to do about Malmo, . As for your second point, I would politely ask why is there selective enforcement of that policy. I have seen people having userboxes supporting Hezbollah , I have seen a userpage with "three page-downs" worth of polemic , and of course we have EEng  whose entire page is not Wiki related, and of course all the "humor" users, such as Bishzilla and Lady Catherine, etc. I understand you may be offended, but how do you think I felt when I was told that I should "cloak myself in ignorance" or "profundity" and the rest of the comments, it's as if you are only welcome to discuss things if you agree, but if you disagree it's suddenly not welcome. Or how do you think I feel when a userpage has a box supporting Hezbollah? You don't thin that offends me? I may end up removing this section, but for now I think I will keep it here. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk)  03:57, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Just to add, you should watch this video, about the man on the street and what is going on in Sweden, that your aunt or relatives aren't affected, perhaps just means they live in a more affluent area. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk)  04:14, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure. Listen, I'm not going to point them this way, since that's just insulting. I had hoped that you would have showed a different judgment than the "you're wrong" bit. I think you completely miss the point anyway--I'm not here in some administrative capacity, though I suppose I could be, I'm just here as someone, I don't know, a human being. And you also misunderstand something else: this is not a user page, this is a user talk page. If users wish to communicate with you, they kinda have to come here. And a Hezbollah userbox, or maybe you have whatever the opposite is of a Hezbollah userbox on your talk page, we know why we have those things: they inform fellow editors about interests and what not. What I get from this strangely placed list full of incendiary stuff from unreliable sources on your talk page is--well, that this talk page is a FORUM, and we're not a forum. But by responding to you I guess I'm just contributing to that aspect of this page. Natti natti, Drmies (talk) 18:35, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, I see your point, so you wouldn't have as much of a problem with this if this was on my user page? Granted, it's a bit reactionary to put this list, but I'm just a little tired of people ignoring realities. Just yesterday there was an antisemtic attack in France. Europe is not the paradise people make it out to be and we can't hide behind trying to be nice when lives are at stake. (Regarding FORUM, do you not get how that is ironic that I was originally commenting on a thread on another user's talk page?) Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 18:40, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sorry, no, I didn't follow this all the way back. But this stuff about ignoring (or creating) realities, that's just not for here on this project. On a user page it is less unacceptable than on a talk page, but it's still polemic. And I'm not going to discuss "lives at stake" with you here, especially not when we have real dangers to deal with rather than hypothetical ones. Personally, I share, of course, your disgust of antisemitism, and I wish that its dangers were taken more seriously, and its causes and proponents discussed and brought out in the open, not done away with by way of platitude. I donated money for the repair of the headstones in St. Louis, and I am sure you were as heartened as I was at the Muslim community coming together to support those repairs. L'union fait la force, my dear Joseph, and I think you will find that Muslims, women, LGBTQ people, Jews, and African Americans are doing a nice job of showing solidarity for each other and each other's intersectionalities. But that's by the by, and this is not a forum. Drmies (talk) 19:46, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The Hezbollah userbox bothered me. To be fair partly because for a while I thought it was a Hamas or similar userbox. It is really unclear because it sounds like it is referring to “from the river to the sea, all of Palestine will be free.” Then I thought “your causes are not my causes; your thoughts are not my thoughts.” Isaiah 55:8 now I don’t think any more about other people and I feel great.Jonney2000 (talk) 06:03, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm going to assume, from your userpage, that you (Sir Joseph) live in the suburbs of Philadelphia. In which case, you're probably aware that a Jewish cemetery in Philly was vandalized overnight, and bomb threats have been called in against Jewish community centers both in Philly and around the nation . So I'm going to politely suggest that your concern over the growing tide of anti-Semitism&mdash;which I share&mdash;might be best expressed not by lecturing Swedes on the "crappiness" of their country, but rather by meditating on goings-on closer to home. There are people nearby who are threatened by anti-Semitism, and who could use your support, in any form in which you care to provide it (outside of jingoistic lectures, that is). In particular, the coy will-they-or-won't-they flirtation between one of our two major political parties and the white-supremacist/neo-Nazi extreme-right fringe is something to consider, if you're curious why anti-Semites suddenly feel emboldened and validated here in the US. You might also wonder why our elected leaders and right-wing media (to the extent that the two remain distinct) are so intent on fabricating made-up massacres and incidents (Bowling Green, Atlanta, now Sweden) while remaining noticeably silent about these sorts of incidents that are happening on the plane of objective reality. MastCell Talk 22:19, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
 * MastCell, I of course am painfully aware of the US' growing antisemitism, especially over the past few years. My point in this was in response to another page's assertion that Sweden is all honky-doory. People, and especially those on the left, have an all-or-none thing going. They latch on to one thing Trump said, and can't understand that Sweden is indeed having problems with immigrants. There is no denying that there are places where cops don't go. Look at the Twitter feed that James provided below. The EMS needs to respond with body armor because they get attacked, sometimes with grenades. We don't do anyone any favors when we deny there are problems. In the US with the rise in antisemitism, at least the media is finally reporting on it, and people are doing something about it. As one of the videos in the below feed points out, you can't fix a problem if you're not able to discuss it. I can still walk around my neighborhood at night without fear of being beaten up. The same can't be said for most places in Europe. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 23:48, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Have you followed Tim Pool's recent Sweden reporting? (https://twitter.com/Timcast) His few short videos are more informative than a week's worth of MSM. The most recent one (an interview with a muslim immigrant) was particularly good. James J. Lambden (talk) 23:03, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link, I think I saw one a while ago, I'm now going to watch more of them and hopefully follow him for more. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 23:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
 * This video, was especially scary. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk)  00:23, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * It's a family in a living room. And a dude in a car. You are so incredibly wrong about Europe and the walking around bit. "The EMS needs to respond with body armor"? Check this out. This is Wikipedia, by the way--not a place to solve the world's problems, and Twitter is not a reliable source. If you stop grandstanding about people "on the left", that would be great: stating that this stuff about "places cops won't go" is nonsense doesn't mean stating that there no problems with immigration. Can we carry on now? Drmies (talk) 02:19, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * You know how chilling the environment in Wiki is because I feel that I feel I can't respond freely, especially with an admin, but I will try. Have you watched the video or are you just commenting? Besides the whole Israel bit, he says 80% of the migrants to Sweden are ISIS. You keep saying Twitter is not a RS, but the videos on the Twitter feed that James J. Lambden pointed out is a journalist posting his videos. I have also seen yesterday a video with the EMS spokesman saying that his personnel do indeed wear body protection because they routinely get attacked. That you found one shootout in LA doesn't mean anything, that's not a daily occurrence. And again, it's not "nonsense" that there are no-go zones. And please don't try to tell me that I am wrong about Europe and walking around. Do I now need to post links to attacks on Jews in Europe? This is what I am talking about when people can't see that there is a problem. And not being able to say there is a problem, will mean the problem never gets fixed, as was pointed out by Ivar Arpi at: Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk)  02:41, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * To close this out, here is the final video from Tim, Sweden has real problems, "Can you trust the media in Sweden? I'll tell you flat out, no."
 * How to Survive as a Jew in Sweden

Articles for deletion/Wayne Shaw (footballer)
If you don't mind, could this please be relisted. While I agree that numerically there were more "keep" !votes, I am not sure whether the concerns about "one event" or the coverage of local tabloidy sources was adequately discussed. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 14:48, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think it was an issue of one event, in my opinion it passed GNG which would then make it appropriate for a keep. You can go to Deletion_review, I have no problem with that. Or, you can discuss on the talk page and if the article doesn't change to meet your expectations, you can open another AFD. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 15:32, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Banned sock puppet
Please don't delete the comment of a user until an admin or other official has made a determination that they are a banned user. Being blocked for using an open IP is not the same thing. Felsic2 (talk) 19:32, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Reza Aslan
It says citation required for Reza Aslan's connection to Council on Foreign Relations. That is deceptive claim that cannot be edited since the article is protected. It is deceptive because the citation is readily available on the internet. It is outright cheating in order to hide his connections to a group affiliated with the CIA. Here is the citation: http://www.cfr.org/content/bios/Aslan_Bio_Dec12.pdf You better fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.0.199.121 (talk) 04:16, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Thanks for reviewing Women's Rights in Iran, Sir Joseph.

Unfortunately Kudpung has just gone over this page again and unreviewed it. Their note is:

"Tagged too soon"

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Racism in the Palestinian territories
Hi. Apparently, when correcting the POV edits of Seraphimsystem, you made an innocent mistake by changing the text of lead to his version, since a few hours before I restored the original lead. Don't worry. I fixed it again. In addition, I would like you to notice that he puts tags when content is sourced at the very end of the same sentence or throughout the article about IDF.--186.138.203.124 (talk) 04:15, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Bernard Madoff
This says Madoff died www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/27/investor-burned-by-madoff-leaps-to-death-off-posh-nyc-hotel.amp.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by TJ.Ring (talk • contribs) 22:44, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * no, that's not what it says. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 23:29, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

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Tagging everything he doesn't like, without further discussion or consensus
So, are you going to remove these tags or not? Also the same POV warrior put this tag, although given source literally says: "The IDF, founded in 1948, ranks among the most battle-trained armed forces in the world, having had to defend the country in five major wars" Could you remove the misleading and false tag, please? Please do something. Thanks.--186.138.118.49 (talk) 16:53, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:MEAT and WP:BAN. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 21:52, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Precious
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 * Thank you! It is much appreciated. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 13:58, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

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Sefaria
SirJoseph -

I'm sitting on a collection of CC licensed primary Jewish texts. I think that there are many articles that would benefit from linking to complete versions of the text described in the article. I have a COI on the matter - I work for Sefaria, and help to digitize, correct, interlink, and generally steward these resources.

I tried to get WikiProject Judaism involved, but there's been no response or uptake over there. Sefaria Resources - COI

Perhaps you can help me get this ball rolling? (or am I going about this the wrong way?)

LevEliezer (talk) 13:10, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, posting at Judaism is a good idea, things are slow at times but people saw your post. I can help as best as I can. The other thing you can do is at the specific article's talk page, you can place an edit request and someone will eventually get to it. See here: Template:Request_edit for more information. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 14:07, 5 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Good stuff! I'll dig into the edit request template and give that a whirl after Pesach. Thank you.  LevEliezer (talk) 10:05, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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Palestinian rocket attacks
Hi. This sounds cherry-picking, supported by a biased source. It seems POV edit is meant to show how meaningless are Israeli casualties compared to Palestinian ones. I don't think "Israeli attacks" belong to WP:lead anyway.--186.136.245.26 (talk) 05:12, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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What do you think about this?
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Religion in Israel
Hi Sir Joseph,

Thousands, if not millions, of reliable sources could be cited for the statement that Israel was established in the aftermath of the Holocaust (not "the context of the aftermath of the Holocaust", whatever that means). Likewise, millions of sources could be cited for a statement that Israel was established in south east west Asia. The bigger question is, what do they have to do with religion in Israel, the subject of the article?

Also, your reversion removed a two-year-old cn tag from the phrase "safe from persecution". Please provide a source for it or restore the tag.

Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:37, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The statement in question was that Israel was created due to the aftermath of the Holocaust and to keep Jews safe from persecution. The next sentence continues, and has the ref to the Declaration of Independence. I'm not sure what the issue is. The Israeli Declaration of Independence states that in the aftermath of the Holocaust, Israel was created as a safe haven for Jews and to be free from persecution. That by itself has to do with religion in Israel. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 03:39, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I added a ref tag to clarify. As to why the sentence is there, I think it's a valid sentence especially because it deals with religion in Israel and why Jews are there, and why there is a right of return. It's a valid, perhaps parenthetical statement, but valid for inclusion in my opinion. Sir Joseph <sup style="color:green;">(talk) 03:43, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for providing a source. I hadn't thought of the addition as a way of putting the phrase "safe from persecution" into context. I'm going to make some relatively minor grammatical and formatting changes. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:14, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

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New Page Review - Newsletter No.4
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Just to clarify, NBC clearely says: "The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest it is being used improperly or illegally."--GamerGD Jose (talk) 01:29, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

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