User talk:Sir Sputnik/Archive 1

October 2008
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia!

I hope not to seem unfriendly or make you feel unwelcome, but I noticed your username, and I am concerned that it might not meet Wikipedia's username policy for the following reason: Name represents the Russian satellite Sputnik. After you look over that policy, could we discuss that concern here?

I'd appreciate learning your own views, for instance your reasons for wanting this particular name, and what alternative username you might accept that avoids raising this concern.

You have several options freely available to you:
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Alexnia (If you reply here, please leave me a message on my talk page.) @ 13:32, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Hertha BSC Berlin seasons
I've created a Category:Hertha BSC Berlin seasons for the season articles you have created but I noticed that the article names are all different. It might be a good idea to come up with one common name and move the others there. My suggestion would be to follow the Hertha BSC Berlin season 2008–09 exaple and move the other two to Hertha BSC Berlin season 2007-08 and Hertha BSC Berlin season 2006–07. EA210269 (talk) 00:40, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I have moved the articles to have one common name in line with wikipedia policy. You created quite a mess there, having the 2008-09 article twice! I made the second one a redirect, we really don't need it twice! EA210269 (talk) 00:35, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi Sir Sputnik, hi Creet!

Thank you guys for your support with the Magic Pro Tour articles. I think we all did a great job in creating some articles, which will be a great help to anybody, desiring information about the Pro Tour.

Thanks again and regards, OdinFK (talk) 10:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

link to summer transfers 2009 available at Bundesliga 2009-10
Hi Sir Sputnik,

I have left a redlink to the 2009 summer transfers at Fußball-Bundesliga 2009-10 in its "See also" section. If you like, you can bring it to life... :-) By the way, have you seen WikiProject German football yet? You would complement our squad very well... Cheers, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 13:38, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

UEFA CL and EL Play-off round sub-article discussion
I'm going to invite you to join the discussion about if we should make a individual sub-article for the UEFA Champions League and Europa League. Welcome to provide us some idea. Raymond Giggs 08:16, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Grammar
Hi Sir Sputnik,

Thanks for the feedback

yes my mother Language is German, i had only english in few school years, under an American student six years ago, i speak here only german, i life in Germany.

Zombie433 12:18, 21 July 2009 (GMT)

The reason for this invitation is the attempt to establish a season guideline for club season articles. If you look at 2009–10 FC Bayern Munich season, Eintracht Frankfurt season 2009–10 and Hertha BSC season 2009–10, you will see that each of those articles has a different layout and different contents. In general, you could say that for each of these articles, which significantly obstructs the readability when jumping between season articles. In order to achieve a common standard, a discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Season article task force. Please voice your opinion! --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 00:35, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Rückennummern Mainz 05
Szalai hat die 28 und Simak die 10. Warte nächstes mal doch einfach, bis offiziell eine Rückennummer herausgegeben wurde. --Yoda1893 (talk) 16:07, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Könntest du bitte grundsätzlich aufhören hier ohne Quellen Rückennummern zu vergeben? Bei Elson hat es wieder nicht gestimmt. --Yoda1893 (talk) 19:59, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Kenny Cooper
Is this transfer definitely on?

I was thinking of reverting his page but I held off because I saw it was you who made the changes. I've seen you around the project and you seem like a decent chap, so I thought I'd ask what is going on because my German isn't up to scratch! I've seen the article on 1860's website and there is a report in a local newspaper saying he is coming, but our official website merely states that he is one of a number of targets. He sounds good but I don't like getting my hopes up until its confirmed by Plymouth.

Regards. Argyle 4 Life (talk) 22:51, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, he is here and signed this afternoon. I can relax now! Thanks for the reply. Argyle 4 Life (talk) 23:11, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Help with sources for an article?
I'm contacting you because you seem to be an active participant of WP:FOOTBALL. I posted this to the project's talk page but just in case it doesn't get noticed there, like on many talk pages, I thought I'd post directly to a user's talk page or two. Lucky you!

I'm going through the articles of Playboy Playmates and trying to source various info. I've run into a bit of a stumbling point in the article for Luci Victoria. She seems to have cause a bit of a stir during the half time of a football match. There were a couple articles referenced which talked about the event but both of those articles are now gone. I'm not at all familiar with where I might find sources for this sort of thing since I don't follow the sport. So, could someone associated with this project help me out? Thanks, Dismas |(talk) 23:29, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm completely unfamiliar with Scottish football vs. German football vs. etc. I'll follow your suggestions for sourcing though.  Thanks for the advice.  Dismas |(talk) 21:04, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Did you miss a word?
Hi, You may have missed a word at this discussion? The second half of your comment contradicts the first. Regards -- Club Oranje T 00:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Archiving football article deletion debates
Please list any debates that have been closed at the deletion archive, thanks. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 08:48, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

List of German football transfers summer 2010
Du fügst einfach mal alle geliehenen Spieler auf Verdacht als Abgänge ein vor klar ist ob die Kaufoptionen gezogen werden? Was soll denn bitte dieser Schwachsinn? --62.224.101.183 (talk) 11:06, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Steaua players
Whin you put to delete FC Steaua II Bucureşti players? All players is professional. He play in Romanian Second League, not the amateur league. I waiting your message. Thanks.

jjmihai 17:43, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Steaua
Lol, Romanian League is not fully professional is greatest nonsense I have ever heard. See more details on Romanian official website: http://www.frf.ro/ And I don't know how to remove PROD tag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.235.198 (talk) 04:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Alin Abuzătoaie
I declined the prod on this article because it was prodded previously. This make it eligible to be prodded again, however, you may nominate it for deletion if you wish. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  21:30, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Marius Albu
Same case with this one. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  21:56, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Cezar Lungu
Why put to deleted Cezar Lungu page? Cezar is professional football player. He played for Romania national under-21 football team, for FC Steaua Bucureşti in Romanian Cup and FC Steaua II Bucureşti in Liga II. Again, why put to deleted Cezar Lungu page. 188.25.235.19 (talk) 05:21, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

He played for 4 times for National Team of Romania. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.235.19 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Alin Abuzătoaie
Alin Abuzătoaie played in Liga I in 2007 for Jiul Petrosani. Why put to delete and this page??????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.235.19 (talk) 16:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Lucian Filip
sorry, but you are very stupid man. why change league caps from 1 to 0 to this player???? and why deleted information that confirm him played for first team in romanian first division and romanian cup????????????????????????????????????????????? 188.25.235.19 (talk) 20:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Source
see this. match in romanian first divison on round 10 this championship. http://www.romaniansoccer.ro/stiri/14281/etapa-10-poli-iasi--steaua-0-2.htm

and macth in romanian cup this season. http://www.romaniansoccer.ro/stiri/4751/saisprezecimile-de-finala-ale-cupei-romaniei.htm

what want more? 188.25.235.19 (talk) 21:11, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

TSV 1860 Muenchen
I noticed that you have a few edits for TSV 1860 Muenchen. Would you be interested in joining WikiProject Munich and starting a TSV 1860 Muenchen Task Force? Kingjeff (talk) 15:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Here is the task force page. Kingjeff (talk) 17:00, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

How long have you been on Wikipedia? The reason why I'm asking is that I need someone who has been on Wikipedia a while to take on a Task Force. Maybe there is another task force you might want to do? Kingjeff (talk) 19:49, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Arne Friedrich
Hello, Sir! You wrote that Arne Friedrich has left Hertha, but I can't find any sources. Could you spread some light on the situation? Jared Preston (talk) 18:12, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Alles klar und danke für die schnelle Antwort. Next stop HSV? Jared Preston (talk) 20:22, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Steaua player, Florentin Matei
Please undo this player from Steaua II, he debut tonight for the first team in Liga I. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.234.101 (talk) 20:43, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Just as a notice, I've procedurally restored Florentin Matei, as the above user asked for it to be restored on my talk page. If the subject does not yet assert notability, please feel free to nominate it for deletion. Thank you. — ξ xplicit  20:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.234.101 (talk) 21:29, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Goal Keeper Numbers German National football team
Hello! You wrote that the numbers for the goal keeper hav not been anounced officially yet. This is only partially true. The German coach Joachim Löw announced the leading goal keeper (Manuel Neuer), his runner - up (Tim Wiese) and the third goalkeeper Hans Jörg Butt on TV today for the World Cup 2010. Goalkeeper numbers in the German national football team have always been the same since 2000. First goalie: Number 1, second goalie number 12, third goalie number 23. I am German and you can trust me. Before undoing any change, please watch TV! Thank you! Berserc 23:20, 28 May 2010 (CET) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.225.223.34 (talk)

Arsenal F.C.
Can you watch the Arsenal F.C. page? People are starting to add transfers to the Arsenal F.C. page Kingjeff (talk) 16:27, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Luca Toni
Terribly sorry. Thank you for pointing-out my error. People have been changing the roster and I made the mistake of assuming you were inserting him in the roster rather than the on loan section. I have restored him to the correct section. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:01, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

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rv. squad changes don't take affect until July 1
Spiel dich hier nicht ständig auf. Die meisten Bundesligamannschaften trainieren schon mit den neuen Spielern. Dass sie erst am 1. Juli spielberechtigt sind interessiert niemanden außer dir. In der deutschen Wikipedia ist zum Teil schon lange umgestellt. --62.224.97.152 (talk) 17:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Hertha BSC in Europe section
European Cup history should be in most football club articles. Maybe instead of a game-by-game list it should be a season total. Kingjeff (talk) 20:43, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Deletion archive.
Hello. Am I missing something regarding the deletion archive? It appeared to me that they were listed in chronological order, so that is what I've been doing when I've added recent ones. However, your last couple of edits have moved quite a few which were nominated and deleted in August into September. Cheers. Argyle 4 Life talk 00:59, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, so I assumed correctly for once, what is the world coming to. ;) No worries. Argyle 4 Life talk 01:28, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit summaries and PRODs
Hi, when you propose an article for deletion, could I trouble you to use an informative edit summary? PRODs are supposed to be uncontroversial deletions, so it's only right to give someone a chance to object if they see it on their watchlist or in recent changes. Thanks, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:55, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * When you propose an article for deletion, it is expected that uou notify the article's creator. In the of Henri Aalto, I can't see any such notification at . Furthermore, your proposal's reasoning might be flawed; it seems to me that the Veikkausliiga is indeed a professional league. I suggest you remove the propsed deletion from Henri Aalto's page and review all the others you marked. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your word of welcome
Merci de m'avoir souhaité la bienvenue sur wikipedia --Charlesquebec (talk) 03:11, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

How come Veikkausliiga isn't professional?
How come you are suggesting Finnish player's articles being removed? Is there some way of stopping this process as it seems unfair towards the Finnish wikipedians and football writers.

Etzo 22:25, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. I don't think there's any semi-professionals players in Veikkausliiga nowadays.


 * Todorov-FIN 21:24, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:2010%E2%80%9311_Fu%C3%9Fball-Bundesliga
Ich bezweifele, dass Du Englischmuttersprachler bist! "in fact that there are currently no Germans among the top ten goalscorers is an enough fact as well." Versuch's mal mit "sufficient" statt "enough". Nichts für ungut! Otherwise keep up the good work ;-) Schöne Grüße TINY  MARK  17:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Slobodan Mazić
Hi Sir Sputnik. This footballer played 4 matches in the Serbian SuperLiga, more preciselly in the First League of FR Yugoslavia in the season 2001-02. I also beleave he played in the top league before, during the 1990s, but I still need to find internet sources for that period. Afterwords he played in Cyprus and Slovakia. Currently he plays in the Montenegrin First League wich I know that is not considered fully pro. How can I further help on this? Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 19:45, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. I had been in a minor "wiki hollydays" in a last month but I´ll be more present from now on, so whatever doubts come from that area I´ll be glad to contribute or help. FkpCascais (talk) 20:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Close but no cigar
Hi there SPUTNIK, VASCO here,

even tough i know you can never be too careful at WP, you were 100% wrong to send me this message to my anon IP (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:217.129.65.5&diff=cur). As you can see, both accounts are used by me, and the anon IP is standard.

Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Angelos Tsiaklis
Quick question, and apologies that I do not speak footy. It appears the primary change from the last AFD for this article is that he now plays for Anorthosis. I cannot quickly discern, but does that qualify as professional or semi-professional? Will delete if that change still does not meet the criteria for WP:ATHLETE. Kuru  (talk)

Template:2010–11 in German football
I see you reverted my edit. I shorten the names because those are the most common names in english. Kingjeff (talk) 00:23, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Bayern Munich II/Werder Bremen II
Would you think that adding these 2 teams to their club season articles would be a good idea since both teams are in the 3rd Liga which is a fully professional league? Kingjeff (talk) 22:30, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Estonian footballers who have not played in a fully professional league
Hey, there are still some articles about Estonian footballers that have not been nominated for deletion. Though it is not a complete list, this might still help you:

Andreas Aniko, Antti Arst, Andrei Kalimullin, Aleksandr Kulik, Andrus Mitt, Vitali Teleš

Furthermore, there is one poor guy who has no citizenship and also fails the notability guide:

Maksim Gruznov

--Lipik (talk) 06:00, 28 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Kalimullin and Kulik both meet the notability criteria. Same with Gruznov, due to significant media coverage of the League's all-time appearance and goal scoring record holder (UEFA.com, article in World Soccer magazine among other crap.) Having said that, I do find it ridiculous that notability of one of the country's most prolific footballers of the past 15 years is put into question, whereas this player, who has never played for a professional club, let alone playing in a professional league, is considered to be notable by default. I'd really expect a bit more than semi-automatic editing and tagging from someone with this much spare time at his hands. Ban Ray 09:12, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Some of them should be kept. Vanna and Teleš haven't played in a fully pro league? Aniko and Arst are beach soccer national team players (Mitt was also), so no question about that, right? I would keep Kasimir and Artjunin also. Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I see you want to delete articles, but keep in mind: Meistriliiga top teams Flora, Levadia, Trans and Kalju are strong teams even though Meistriliiga isn't fully professional. It's not their fault that lower teams are not professional. These teams could manage well in professional leages, just there is no possibility. The rule here, in Wikipedia, is quite weird. The rule has made to avoid articles that are not notable. THERE ARE NOTABLE FOOTBALLERS IN ESTONIA ALSO!! People search their articles from Wikipedia and that is the point of Wikipedia isn't it? I don't mind if you delete articles like Aleksei Galkin. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:37, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I am calm, just wanted to make myself clear :). I would keep Kaas beacause he was called up in a national team and Kasimir beacause of his UEFA appearances. About that C-class thing, I'm quite busy, but Wikipedia is a place for volunteers, anybody can expand those. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:32, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Re
I didn't know that the Estonian Meistriliiga is not fully professional but Sergei Lepmets played for FC Levadia Tallinn which is a professional club. Where is it stated that a football player is notable only if he played in a fully professional league? Bine Mai 18:04, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok then thanks for clearing that up. Bine Mai 18:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Dražen Međedović
Hello, I was updating the Serbian SuperLiga winter transfers list when I found that you proded this player. The problem is that he played in the top league back in early 2000´s, see here. He probably played more seasons until Montenegro break-away from Serbia iun 2006. I am still missing his entire career so I could complete his article, but this at least gives some info regarding the prod. He seems to have signed with FK Borac Čačak, which playes in Serbian SuperLiga so he will probably further comepete in pro leagues. I will try to gather more info on him in next days so the article can be completed. How can I further help you on this? FkpCascais (talk) 16:51, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, he seems to have signed with Bosnian Premier League FK Borac Banja Luka and not the Serbian one, thus continuing his career in a not-considered pro league. FkpCascais (talk) 16:53, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

History of association football (soccer) in Brisbane, Queensland
Sir Sputnik: Thanks for formatting the ref list - nice touch, as the long list did bother me Regards Peter Peter Eedy (talk) 07:59, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Autopatrolled
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1. FC Köln
I've added the article to my watch list. I can help watch it for you. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:29, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Nomination
I think it is wrong to include different players into 1 deletion nomination. Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:34, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Artūrs Vaičulis
This article shouldn't be deleted, because he has played to matches for AEP Paphos in Cyprus, and it is a fully professional league, so the reason for deletion is wrong.

--Kalkulators (talk) 07:32, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Vitālijs Artjomenko
This article also shouldn't be deleted, because he has played several matches in Latvian Higher League, and it is a professional league, as clubs from it compete in the Eurocups.

--Kalkulators (talk) 07:35, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

False deleting of Anorthosis Famagusta's squad players
you have deleted Marcos Michael path but he is on the main squad of Anorthosis Famagusta FC and here's the official teams page http://www.anorthosisfc.com/players.php he is the number 36. If cyprus league is not fully pro then i cannot say much. same as u did with angelos tsiaklis is the number 19. please undelete both ((Argento1985) 18:32, 12 February 2011 (UTC))

Miloš Glogovac
Hi, I saw you proded this player. The problem is that he seems to have his career very incomplete, and if he played for FK Vojvodina then he played in Serbian top league and he is notable. I´ll try to find sources for him and fix the article as soon as possible. I´ll let you here as soon as I finish it. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 21:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ooops, I remembered some player named Glogovac back then playing in Vojvodina, but it seems that was named Uroš Glogovac, see . FkpCascais (talk) 22:10, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Goran Zorić
Please do not readd declined speedy tags. It is considered WP:ADMINSHOPing. Cheers. lifebaka++ 10:24, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Mikk Reintam
Hello! Just letting you know that an article you proposed for deletion, Mikk Reintam, has been restored per a request at requests for undeletion. It is our policy to undelete expired prods on request, however this is not commentary on the suitability of the subject for an article. You are welcome to take the article to articles for deletion if you believe the article should be deleted. Thanks! l'aquatique [talk]  16:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Alemannia Aachen
The current squad (2011/12) is announced on the official club website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayham333 (talk • contribs) 22:48, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Muñoz
Hi. You may wish to review your edit to ensure it conveys your meaning correctly.-- Club Oranje T 10:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

RE : The purpose of the whole page "Paul Muñoz" was to practice my coding (not to promote myself). I'm sorry if I caused any inconvenience to you or others. --Scoobynaiterpaul123 (talk) 03:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

WP:Karlsruher
Overall, I disagree with this rule. However, I do agree when using both the city and club together. Kingjeff (talk) 23:32, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Saša Macura
I don't have a particularly strong view on this - and in fact I even queried my creation of the articles on a discussion at WP:FOOTBALL - see 101 at Zanoni (talk) 22:16, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

No live scores
Wikipedia is not a live news source. Please do not add live score updates to articles pertaining to sporting events as you did with 2010–11 UEFA Champions League. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:59, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Excuse, I not know it. I not think, that it large trespass, but, of course, not to do it in future--Noel baran (talk) 22:17, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Jasmin Čampara‎
Hello. Thanks to an almost invisible link at WP:NFOOTY I hadn't realised there was a list available of the leagues considered fully professional or not fully professional and that the BiH Premier League was considered not fully pro. Without knowing for certain one way or the other I'm a bit sceptical about this, so I followed up the authority cited. In fact the relevant article of the BiH PL Constitution doesn't seem to refer to League appearances but rather covers general club employment practices, so I continue to oppose the deletion but I now see that you had Wikipedia-substantiated grounds for proposing the deletion. You very fairly reproduced the points I made at the discussion page at the AfD discussion. Nevertheless I hope you will understand why I still think it's best also to respond at the place where someone making a point is likely to see it first - meeting a tag is a very disconcerting way of receiving a reply. Opbeith (talk) 22:12, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * For your information, I've posted the following at the Discussion page of User:Postdlf who has now closed the discussion of your proposal for deletion of the Jasmin Čampara article with the article's deletion. My main concern is less with Jasmin Čampara himself (and certainly there are a lot more serious Bosnia-related issues at Wikipedia calling for attention) than with the general issue this discussion has raised.  The question of "association football notability" highlights the way Wikipedia "policy" is often enthusiastically deployed as a general house-keeping tool when it has no objective legitimacy, but the discussion also illustrates the lack of interest in critical engagement with the deficiencies of policy shown by the people who cite "policy" so authoritatively.  Just look at the unhesitant confidence of the comments that follow your own and mine. There's no reason why people shouldn't disagree with me with regard to Čampara's notability as such, but not even the slightest hint of doubt concerning the merits of a policy whose authenticity has been challenged?  Anyhow, this is my post to User:Postdlf, for whatever interest it may hold for you.::"You deleted the Jasmin Čampara article without offering any comment on the discussion concerning the proposal for deletion. In the absence of another explanation I presume your decision was based simply on the general support for deletion, drawing almost entirely on the criterion for association football notability given at WP:NFOOTY. The policy as stated relies explicitly on Wikipedia:FPL and no other source of guidance is mentioned.


 * Neither you nor the supporters of deletion gave any indication of having given any meaningful consideration to the inadequacy and inconsistency of the guidelines either generally or in the specific case of the Bosnian Premier League, some aspects of which I drew attention to in my contributions to the AfD discussion.


 * The key criterion for notability is the "full professionality" of the league of which a player's club(s) is(are) a member. However "Full professionality" is not defined anywhere. Instead Wikipedia:FPL simply provides ad hoc lists of "fully professional" and "not fully professional" leagues, offering no guidance as to the rigour of the supporting evidence required for inclusion in either category. In fact the supporting evidence is fairly haphazard (eg a webpage reference to the founding of the Argentine Primera Division as a professional - as opposed to amateur - league ion 1931) and often inadequate/inaccurate (the Bosnian Premier League Constitution reference is not conclusive in the way that is implied) or non-existent (the Campeonato Brasileiro Serie A and Serie B references and several others are not available). In other words the criterion simply cannot be be applied in an even generally consistent way.


 * Wikipedia:FPL carefully notes "This advice is not a formal Wikipedia policy or guideline, though it may be consulted for assistance during an AfD discussion or when considering creating a standalone article." That tone of caution, derived from lengthy discussion, is not in any way reflected in the wording of the WP:NFOOTY guidelines, in the way the guidelines are generally deployed or in the discussion and decision relating to the Jasmin Čampara article. Essentially the whole structure of "policy" in this area is nonsensical (as many conscientious contributors to Wikipedia:FPL have noted). Too often Wikipedia decisions are taken on the basis of authoritative pronouncements on policy made from the commanding heights of a house of cards. I'm a little surprised that you as Doctor of Jurisprudence consider summary deletion an adequate way of considering this issue. I believe that this decision is a candidate for review."

Opbeith (talk) 10:57, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

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NO, because I'm not vandalizing wikipedia UEFA Europa League page. I will continue updating the results of the matches. bye —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.81.110.149 (talk) 20:38, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Deletion review/Log/2011 April 6
FYI. postdlf (talk) 14:02, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Fully pro leagues
I would like to reply to your comment made at Articles for deletion/Oļegs Malašenoks. I am replying here since that afd will probably be closed shortly. While the Virsliga clearly isn't an amateur league, there are some part-timers playing there. In order to grant notability to the players playing in a certain league, there must be clear sourcing that all players playing in that league are full-time professionals. This is not the case in Latvia. I hope that answers your question. Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:39, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for information, but interesting that in Latvian Higher League not "fully pro". But in my mind must be clear sourcing that all players playing in that league are not full-time professionals--Noel baran (talk) 08:40, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Regilio Seedorf PROD
It's normally considered polite to notify the article creator about a PROD... GiantSnowman 19:20, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I see - I think what has happened is that I created the article after it was previously deleted, and at some point an admin has restored the earlier version as well. However, I'm positive this guy has played in a FPL, just wish PlayerHistory.com was free to access...regards, GiantSnowman 23:10, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Albanian Superliga
The Albanian Superliga is a fully professional football league which is part of UEFA and which allows teams to qualify for both Champions League and Europa League. So there is no need to put my pages up for deletion as there many Blue Square Premier League players pages on here even thoguh that is not a fully pro league. Thanks. Oltianruci (talk) 19:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sir Sputnik I trust that technically you are correct, the Albanian, Macedonian, and Montenegrin top leagues are not fully professional. That's why I think that based on the wiki policy you are on the money. Still, the policy can be and should be changed. I will take it that you will consider some time to review my thoughts here? Thanks! --Doktor Plumbi (talk) 20:16, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

villyan bijev
Theres is nothing wrong with the article on villyan bijev,yet you have it up for deletion

Sunny Ogbemudia Omoregie
Hi, I've removed your PROD for this article as the article states he played for CD Numancia in 2008-9, in which year they played in the Primera División of La Liga, meeting WP:ATH. Cheers, <FONT COLOR="#313F33">Catfish Jim</FONT> <FONT COLOR="#313F33">&#38; the soapdish</FONT> '' 18:44, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for catching that I'd missed the first revert. I didn't spot that there had been two reverts until you fixed it. I posted a bit in the FCB talk page about the current squad. Hopefully that will help end some of these "jump the gun" updates. <B>Erikeltic</B> ( Talk ) 21:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Romanian Liga 2
http://www.frf.ro/competitii

Romanian Football Federation reckons all three leagues of Romania as professional. so please remove the tags!

Miomir Vuković
I have removed the prod tag from Miomir Vuković, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the prod template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks! TerriersFan (talk) 03:23, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Marius Kazlauskas, Christian Muomaife and Elfar Freyr Helgason
Prod also declined for Marius Kazlauskas, Christian Muomaife and Elfar Freyr Helgason. TerriersFan (talk) 00:57, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Football Transfers
Re your message - my edits are always sourced with references and whilst I agree that the transfers only take effect from 1 July when the window opens, I'd suggest you are trying to stop something which will be changed by edits anyway - and probably ones which are unsourced from IP editors. I'd rather concentrate on adding sourced changes and the reality is that if a club announces something (like Liverpool's Jordan Henderson deal yesterday and all elements - transfer, medical and personal terms concluded, then someone will add it. Better it is sourced than a random IP edit. Zanoni (talk) 16:42, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Przemysław Jastrzębski and Tomasz Ptak
Hi, I have declined the Prod for Przemysław Jastrzębski and Tomasz Ptak. TerriersFan (talk) 15:27, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Also Eldar Hasanović. TerriersFan (talk) 20:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Transfers
Not all of the transfers are made from July 1st. Some occur prior to that date (all of the ones put on the transfer window article) Qampunen (talk) 18:11, 16 June 2011 (UTC).

Not all of them. Many break their contracts prior to July 1st and are even presented in the stadium before July 1st. (Van Nistelrooy for example). But I see what you mean. Good job ;) Qampunen (talk) 18:21, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Are you able to reprotect FC Bayern Munich until July 1? <B>Erik the Red</B> ( Talk ) 00:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately not. Only an admin can do that. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:53, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I made the last request... I guess I'll do it again.  <B>Erik the Red</B> ( Talk ) 00:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Profivertrag /= Beförderung
Wenn beim VfB ein junger Spieler einen Profovertrag unterschreibt, heißt das nicht, dass er automatisch zum Kader der ersten Mannschaft gehört. Die Meldungen zu den Vertragsverlängerungen von Riemann und Lang gehören auf der VfB-Homepage sogar ausdrücklich zum Themenbereich VfB II. Wenn sie mit der ersten Mannschaft mittrainieren, während die Nationalspieler noch im Urlaub sind, heißt das auch nichts. Tobias Rühle war auch einmal im Trainingslager der ersten Mannschaft, gehörte aber immer nur zur zweiten Profimannschaft in der 3. Liga. --Yoda1893 (talk) 11:12, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Paweł Łączny
You made a mistake, Paweł Łączny has played in fully pro league in season 2008/2009.[] Polish First League is fully pro. You shouldn't delete this article. --marekchelsea (talk) 11:13, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Patrick Ebert
Hi there, I've reverted your translation from the German Wikipedia on this article as the information is unreferenced. Regards, GiantSnowman 16:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

delete
User talk:Since 10.28.2010 here, you can delete the articles, I don't care. Thanks, A person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 20:30, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

You seem an experienced user...
Although this may seem random, I just saw you and you have a good record. I think it'd be a good idea for an RfA? Come on, who would say no? Island Monkey talk the talk 15:16, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of German football transfers summer 2011
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of German football transfers summer 2011. Kq-hit (talk) 11:23, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Andras Gango
Why delete? He's noteworthy enough to play the Europa League. Fair amount of sources on the page. Dribblingscribe 18:10, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

I know he has played pro in Hungary so give me a couple of days and I will update it. Ok with you? Dribblingscribe 10:12, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the patronising tone! It's as if you own wikipedia. Sometimes, just sometimes, I meet people like you on wiki and it gets my goat. Fortunately 99% of editors I come across are decent. Dribblingscribe 22:59, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Romanian Liga II
The Liga II is considerd a pro league, as it can be seen here: List of professional sports leagues. Also, I consider the articles satisfy the notability guidelines. If you have any remarks please respond. Katz191 (talk) 17:19, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Afonso Carson
Dude, read FIFA.com match report in AFD. there is Idelfonso da Silva but no such Afonso Carson. So Afonso Carson should be deleted but keep Idelfonso da Silva (you can keep the page and moved to Idelfonso da Silva as new namespace. Matthew_hk  <font color="Blue">t  c  18:23, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Sébastien Ndzana Kana & André Ndame Ndame
Hey, noticed you prod'd these two articles. Just wanted to let you know that I rmeoved the Prod tag because I feel that both are notable having played in the final of the 2008 CAF Champions League and are regulars for their club in the Champions League this season. I think that is more than enough to justify their notability. I did not find a place to discuss this that is why I brought it to your talk page. Thanks. TonyStarks (talk) 21:43, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buffalo City FC
Please revert your closure there - that is not the type of discussion that is correct for a Non-admin closure. Off2riorob (talk) 23:06, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

I reverted your closure - regards. - Off2riorob (talk) 23:14, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

help
Please tell me, if an article is nominated for deletion then how anyone can stop the deletion of that article....Kumarsaurav1 (talk) 04:51, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

More articles
Hey Sir, do you have any opinion on the recent slew of articles created by Good bad dragosh? Thanks. Drmies (talk) 21:34, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dan Vascan
Hi. FYI, I've added six identical articles to this AfD. Black Kite (t) (c) 20:51, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the information
Thanks Sputnik for the information regarding the 2011–12 UEFA Champions League. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IAnton7 (talk • contribs) 21:00, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Ministerpräsident
You might be inteerested in participating in this. Kingjeff (talk) 16:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Adding AfD to WP:FOOTY
Hey thanks for the heads up, I always wondered how articles get listed there, I thought a bot would automatically place them. I listed it here, and I thought that was the main page to list AfD'd pages for WP:FOOTY (I just followed the instructions on there). Maybe someone should add a line simliar to the one found on the link I posted ("Edit this page and add .tag. to the top of the list. Replace "PageName" with the relevant article name, i.e. the one on the existing AFD discussion. When you save the page, the discussion will automatically appear.") to the WP:FOOTY article, so that people like me that are not too familiar with the process can add the articles. Thanks. TonyStarks (talk) 23:46, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Armenian footballers
All these Armenian footballers played many games professional and are still playing currently. There are many sources. So dont delete any of them. - User:Hovhannesk

Vladan Adžić
Go ahead and have it deleted. I made an error when creating it. Maybe in the near future it will need to be restored but I realised after creating it that it lacked criteria on notability: I thought the source was enough. Not to worry. Thanks Sir Sputnik. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 00:37, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Truong Van Hai
Just fyi, I removed your prod because this article had already been proposed for deletion some time ago. Not sure if the rationale for the original de-prod was correct, so feel free to take to AfD if you wish. J Mo 101 (talk) 11:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Jordan Santiago
Hey. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here and why the page Jordan Santiago with all the protocols and stuff you're referencing. I'm new to wikipedia could you please help me fix this page so it won't get deleted. Jordan Santiago plays on Cardiff City F.C. which is a professional football club. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cori.mcnicol (talk • contribs) 02:49, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: Jordan Santiago
Hey again, So then in order to keep the page up, could I remove the references to being a "professional footballer" and just put player or something along those lines? Cheers Cori.mcnicol (talk) 03:25, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Of course SL Benfica is qualified!
On Champions League. They have 9 points and Man U 9 and Basel 8. SL Benfica has advantage on the confrontation with both. Man U and Basel will play against each other on the last day, so only one of them can win 3 points... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.84.76.229 (talk) 08:08, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Deletion review for Hannover 96 Season
There is a deletion review here. Kingjeff (talk) 23:38, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

1963–64 Hertha BSC season
I've started on the 1963–64 Hertha BSC season. Maybe you can contribute? Kingjeff (talk) 06:21, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I've started the 2011–12 Bayer 04 Leverkusen season. Just needs the Bundesliga matches and transfers. It's the same with 2011–12 Fortuna Düsseldorf season. Help would be appeciated. Kingjeff (talk) 06:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Would you be able to add some matchers to the 2011–12 Fortuna Düsseldorf season? Thanks. Kingjeff (talk) 06:30, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Arevshat Khachatryan
This player played and currently plays for the highest league in Latvia, the Latvian Higher League, in FC Gulbene. The league is fully professional and the highest league in the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkhach (talk • contribs) 18:55, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the quick message back, here is the current Latvian League 2011, showing FB Gulbene: http://www.footballzz.com/edicao.php?id_edicao=21064

Here is the team squad, showing him in the squad.. http://www.footballzz.com/equipa.php?id=56476&epoca_id=140

Kkhach (talk) 19:08, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding, but that seems almost ridiculous to ask. That's like me saying, "provide sources that the bundesliga is a pro league" on German player's article. There is a full article, and considering they have spots in the Champions League, they are fully professional. Please be more thorough in your research to make things easier for everyone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Higher_League

And again, as the highest League in latvia: http://www.soccerway.com/national/latvia/virsliga/2011/regular-season/map/

Kkhach (talk) 19:25, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

This shows the Latvian top two leagues as fully professional: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues Kkhach (talk) 21:09, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Latvian PRODs
On a similar note I saw you left PRODs on many Latvian player articles that they weren't in a fully professional league. The Latvian Higher League is the highest league in Latvia, which makes it notable, and some of them even play for national teams, which makes them pass WP:NFOOTY. Most of the players even played in the UEFA Champions League. <span style="-moz-border-radius:1em;border:1px solid black;font-size:11px;background-color:red;color:white;padding:1px 4px 1px 5px">Bar Code Symmetry  (Talk) 02:03, 11 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Does this source make the league fully professional? It was unclear about what made something fully professional at WP:FPL <span style="-moz-border-radius:1em;border:1px solid black;font-size:11px;background-color:red;color:white;padding:1px 4px 1px 5px">Bar Code Symmetry  (Talk) 04:34, 11 December 2011 (UTC)


 * How about on that document at 6.6 where it says: (Bolded part is what I mean, just added the whole section for context)

Word should be submitted in printed and electronic form, together with the following documents: - The participant's license or amateur - the contract (contract) with a copy of a fixed period, salary, bonus pay (salary can not be less than the minimum wage); - Coach's copy of the license:
 * Our head of state. coaches 'B' UEFA (from 2014 A to UEFA), coaches C-LFF (from the 2012 UEFA-B).
 * Other countries default. coaches, after the UEFA rules A-UEFA coaches after the UEFA B UEFA rules.

- Coaches copy of the contract or letter of agreement; - A foreigner players, not amateurs must be made:
 * international transition (Transfer) certificate of registration;
 * Copy of legal residence;
 * agreement (contract) or a copy of the relevant document as a source of income;
 * payment document (p.4.6).

- EU players and amateur players from other countries:
 * international transition (Transfer) certificate of registration;
 * Copy of legal residence;
 * copy of a contract with an associated cost borne by the club due to the players will take part in championship;
 * player application, which he confirms amateur status.

- A contract with a sports facility for the championship games; - Each player a copy of the insurance policy; - Team color photograph (18 x 24); - The whole squad a portrait photo (min. 1000 Pix) electronically; - Club emblem (the sample) electronically; - Club-shaped colors, color replacement (after) electronically; - Copy of the contract for maintaining public order club "area of ​​the host" games (aligned with the state police or municipal police station, where the sports facility); - The annual financial statements for the year 2010.


 * <span style="-moz-border-radius:1em;border:1px solid black;font-size:11px;background-color:red;color:white;padding:1px 4px 1px 5px">Bar Code Symmetry  (Talk) 05:11, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

2011–12 Borussia Mönchengladbach season
Cna you help with 2011–12 Borussia Mönchengladbach season? Thanks Kingjeff (talk) 22:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Category:FC Steaua Bucureşti players
Hello. Tell me please how can change the name of this page and rest of them? "Category:FC Steaua Bucureşti players" to correct name "Category:FC Steaua București players". 10:47, 16 December 2011 (UTC) § Jjmihai