User talk:Sir Sputnik/Archive 2

Thierry Ako
Yes, you are absolutelly right by PRODing it. I created it long time ago, and unfortunatelly by that time, as I didn´t had many experience in making articles, I decided to start with less notable playes. That is unfortunatelly the reason why some of the articles are failing notability. Some of the players became notable soon afterwords, but others, like the case of Ako, didn´t. His club Zemun was usually a middle table top league side, and by then it looked more probable that they would return to top flight that going even further relegated, however the last option was the one that happend. So Ako insted of playing in top flight ended up in third league...

Thank you very much for your kind wishes, and I also take this opportunity to wish marry Christmas and all the best in 2012, and also to congratulate you for being such a fine WP contributor and one of the most dedicated members of our dearest project. FkpCascais (talk) 01:22, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

hi
Please comment Talk:List of Iranian football transfers winter 2011%E2%80%9312 ABN13a (talk) 20:37, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

PROD Protocols
Sorry, didn't know I had to explain it in the edit summary. Thanks for the info, will keep it in mind the next time I'm editing an article that is proposed for deletion. Elspamo4 (talk) 17:48, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Notability for matches
I came across this and I wondered what the notability guideline was for a specific football match was, and if the game was worth its own article. See here for original the post. BCS  (Talk) 01:58, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi
Last time you suspected Parola1234567890 to be Bad good dragosh98, and you were right. I think he has now a new account 123456789ro. Take a look on his edits, and tell me what you think. Alexynho (talk) 08:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Strange anomaly
I noticed your recent edit came up with a very strange time/date! Cloudz 679 09:57, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Germany Olympic history
I am sorry but if East Germany merges records with West Germany on their history, does that not mean that United (today) Germany has East Germany's record for a golden metal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shogami (talk • contribs) 16:31, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

I see
If that's the case, thank you for fixing my mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shogami (talk • contribs) 16:37, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Userfied PROD
Hi. :) This is just a courtesy notice to alert you that an article you PRODded, Mohammad Torkaman, has been userfied on request at User:Amirreza/Mohammad Torkaman. While PRODs can be restored in article space on request, of course, I have recommended that the contributor try to address the concerns that caused you to PROD it before he considers moving it back to article space. Thanks. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:45, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Narek Beglaryan
Hi. Why do you want deleted article about narek beglaryan ? this player plays on highest level in Armenia. Thanks. --IQual (talk) 20:22, 21 January 2012 (UTC) If I added beglaryan appearances and goals with reliable sources ?

Speedy deletion declined: Ahad Azam
Hello Sir Sputnik. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Ahad Azam, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Subject now satisfies WP:NFOOTBALL; try another AfD if you disagree. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello
Sockpuppentry....interesting...i have never heard this word before....thank you and have a pleasant night

Antony1994 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antony1994 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok
I have no problem with deleting the 2012-13 I-League page but please then delete this 2012-13 Premier League as that is the exact same thing as my article. I see no reason why that should be allowed when 2012-13 I-League should not. Cheers. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 18:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

2012 Philadelphia Union Reserves season
What's wrong with the page? --Spinerod (talk) January 29, 2012 2:21 ET

Articles for deletion/Ernest Yélémou
According to the nominator the subject of the article now meets WP:NFOOTBALL. Could you please revisit your !vote? Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 10:22, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Erald Turdiu
Hello Sir Sputnik. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Erald Turdiu, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Article is substantially different to the one deleted previously. Thank you. SmartSE (talk) 18:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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Darko Vukašinović
Hi. Just to tell you that technically this player passes notability as he played with Zeta in the Serbian top flight between 2003 and 2006. See playerhistory.com where it is named "Prva Liga". I see where the trouble about adding stats in the infobox is: the point is that he played for Zeta since the second part of the 2003-04 season until the 2006-07 season, which was the first one of the independent Montenegro league, thus we miss the stats for that last season, which becomes the reason why we don´t have his stats for FK Zeta complete, thus left empty in the infobox... I´ll try to fix that somehow... FkpCascais (talk) 07:00, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Alejandro Palladino
Whoops, thanks for letting me know! GiantSnowman 16:54, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

PRODs
Hi Sputnik, please can you remember to list all articles you PROD at WP:FOOTY, just to give people a better chance to try & deal with the concerns raised. Thanks, GiantSnowman 20:03, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2007–08 Omani League
Hi, when closing AFDs, please remember to note them as a WP:NAC. Thanks, GiantSnowman 15:06, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Grant Adam
I am asking several people whether or not they think the draft i have User:Edinburgh Wanderer/Player Sandbox would meet  GNG. I think he is notable but GS thinks is possibly notable for one event although there is sources for two events. Would like further input before I do anything. It seems it's borderline Edinburgh   Wanderer  16:46, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Multiple PRODs
Hi Sputnik, I have User talk:IQual on my watchlist and I notice you are PRODing many of this user's articles. Have you communicated with him other than via templates? It seems a massive waste of time, firstly him creating the articles and subsequent deletions proposed by you. Ideally he would stop creating pages for these guys who have peaked at the second or third level of football in Slovakia... Cloudz 679 21:37, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. As you will have seen, I PRODed some of these articles myself (and even contested one PROD!) but it's good to know you have checked them, so we can put this case behind us and do something more productive! Cloudz 679 22:07, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Amin Affane
Hi Sputnik, I have deleted the proposed deletion tag from the page Amin Affane. Please see the talk page Talk:Amin Affane :) ZZ47 (talk) 06:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oi vey.  I've tried to instruct ZZ47 on notability, but they are just not getting it.  If you do an AfD for Affane, you might want to combine it with Ismail Seremba.  ZZ47 just removed the prod there too. Bgwhite (talk) 06:35, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't get that. What is a prod? ZZ47 (talk) 06:57, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * @ZZ47: PROD is shorthand for proposed deletion. @Bgwhite: Thanks for the tip. Both articles are now at afd. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Its ok. I have no misunderstandings, and thanks for the information Bgwhite and Sir Sputnik :) ZZ47 (talk) 16:14, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Userfied Footballer Page
Sir Sputnik, User:ZZ47/Adodo Paul Odion Can you please tell me whether this page will be okay to move for Articles? ZZ47 (talk) 07:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

page should not be deleted
i answered it in  the article's talk page. Preetam040 (talk) 16:31, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion
i am not sure how or where i can replay to you. but i did not find any wrong with my articles, i gave a very good source and i can put another sources ,, all the players are called with the first team more than once ?? so i am not sure what is wrong here ?

it take me more than hour to do these 4 articles, and i am passions about it ..and i am passion about udinese so i search here and there and put the sources, the players .. all of them i start the wikipedia of them since they called in the first team NOT from no where ... i am sorry but i try so hard to respect the rules and i try so hard to benfit anyone want to know about udinese or udinese players, so help me to help the people who read in wikipedia. what exactly you want from me to edit in all these 4 articles. you can find the sources there and the sources said that they called with the first team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hussain udinese (talk • contribs) 11:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Phạm Hải Nam
Hi there Sir Sputnik, just want to let you know that I've removed the BLPProd from this article since it had one source, and amazingly enough, the player is probably completely notable per WP:NFOOTY (he has played in an international game). Cheers,  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  02:17, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Sergiu Popovici
Hello Sir Sputnik. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Sergiu Popovici, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not created by a banned user, or the page does not violate the user's ban. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:35, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion converted to PROD: Sahrawi national football team
Hello Sir Sputnik. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on Sahrawi national football team to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 12:05, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Joren Dom
Joren Dom is a very promising Belgian footballer. He is a -23 international and had a professional contract with KV Mechelen (first division). After a loan spell to Rupel Boom (3th division), he is now a professional footballer with FC Dender (2nd Division) and reportedly on the transferlist for former giant Antwerp FC (2nd Division).

I don't know why his page should be deleted while there are numerous other pages of english footballers who are playing in the 8th, 9th or lower tiers of English football. They are (also) non-professionals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennethcelie (talk • contribs) 11:18, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Colin Rolfe
FYI... I think the initial editor created pages for everybody on the Houston Dynamo football team. There are others that haven't played in a game yet. Erich Marscheider is an example. I saw others before seeing Rolfe's page and the AfD tag. Bgwhite (talk) 05:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Found another one... Josue Soto. He is not on the roster. Bgwhite (talk) 06:32, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

football task force
hi Sir Sputnik, you are a member of WikiProject Football/Germany task force yea?! Is there any Maldives Football Task force ??? ZZ47 (talk) 05:19, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

AfDs
Hi, thanks for your message. I wasn't really aware of the Project-related notices, I'll keep that in mind. And I do usually tend to state the explanation for PROD removals, but didn't in these cases with their locations being less obvious since they weren't present in the articles' edit histories. But again, I'll keep that in mind for future AfDs. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 01:06, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Template
Hi, Can you please make this template all right? No players' names are visible in the template ZZ47 (talk) 02:12, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Re: Re: Template
Oops, Sorry, I forgot it.. :P Here: ZZ47 (talk) 02:45, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Deleting templates
Hi, I have created these templates. But I found them of no use, 'coz for every world cup qualifying match, the team lists keep changing.. Here are the 4 pages..    ZZ47 (talk) 04:20, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Indonesia Super League players PRODs
I noticed you proded a large number of players that have played in the Indonesian top divison yesterday. The Indonesia Super League is fully professional so I don't see the rationale behind your prods. Seems to be a worrying trend, as User:Annas86 also Prodded a number, the previous day some of which were contested others not, as stats were unavailable. Could you please send me an explanation, otherwise I will deprod the majority of them. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:09, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well the Indonesian Premier League article is claiming it's the top division & replaced the Super League as the top division. Although the Indonesia Super League is still in operation. Surely the Indonesian Premier League is fully professional given the fact it's the top division. This Indonesian football pyramid seems rather complex am I missing something. Surely we need a debate at WP:Footy about it's professionalism. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:41, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * There are still a number of articles of players who have played in Indonesian Premier League that are PRODed, should they be contested while the professionalism of league is under discussion. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 06:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I wasn't referring to the two which you left Proded, I was referring to some which were prodded on the 8th of this month & the reason I asked you was because we were already discussing the topic so there was no need to be so blunt. Anyway since sending you the earlier message, I established there is a lack of verifiability that they played in the league so even if the Indonesian Premier League was upgraded to fully pro, they'd be deleted. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 16:39, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:11, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Albanian PRODs
Hi Sputnik- I have contested a few PRODS you added to Indrit Hithi & Besmir Bega‎, as they appear to have played in the Albanian Superliga a fully-professional league and therefore meet WP:NFOOTBALL. Sent you this message rather than scattering your page with deprod templates feel free to AfD if you disagree. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:41, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry put the incorrect link in the edit summary, here is the correct one which states he played for KF Laçi this season in the Superliga hence passing notability guidelines. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 05:51, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Contested Xhino Sejdo see edit summary for reason. Regards &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 07:42, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Help with women's national team articles
Hi. I'm working on some women's national team articles on my user space with the intention of taking as many of them as possible to DYK. (Hence the drafting on my user space.) If you have the time, could you help edit the articles listed below? I'd be happy to give you DYK credit for any articles you help improve. :) --LauraHale (talk) 20:24, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

AFC CAF
 * User:LauraHale/Brunei women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Cambodia women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Timor-Leste women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Kuwait women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Macau women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Oman women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Saudi Arabia women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Yemen women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Burundi women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Cape Verde women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Central African Republic women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Chad women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Djibouti women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Gambia women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Guinea-Bissau women's national football team


 * User:LauraHale/Côte d'Ivoire women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Kenya women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Lesotho women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Liberia women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Libya women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Mauritania women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Madagascar women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Mauritius women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Niger women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Réunion women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Rwanda women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Seychelles women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/São Tomé and Príncipe women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Somalia women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Sierra Leone women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Sudan women's national football team

CONCAF UEFA
 * User:LauraHale/Togo women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Zambia women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Zambia women's national under-17 football team
 * User:LauraHale/Zambia women's national under-20 football team
 * User:LauraHale/Zanzibar women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Anguilla women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Montserrat women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Netherlands Antilles women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/French Guiana women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Gaudeloupe women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Saint-Martin women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Sint Maarten women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Andorra women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/Liechtenstein women's national football team
 * User:LauraHale/San Marino women's national football team

PRO Leagues
Hi sir Sputnik, can you tell me why Dhivehi League is not a fully or semi-pro league? ZZ47 (talk) 12:27, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Estádio Timor Soúl
Can you close the above deletion discussion it seems to have been forgotten about. Thanks in advance &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 23:01, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

UNSC elections
I noticed you created the 1986 election article with the Costa Rican Note Verbale as its sole source for the vote. I am of the opinion that this in of itself is insufficient to base the article, and I would ask you to not create any further articles based on only this one source. Thank you --... there's more than what can be linked. 10:13, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Emergency
Hei Sir Sputnik, I've accidentally put on Rilwan Waheed. So, When i removed the tag from the page, i unfortunately removed many info from that page. Please can you undo the change? ZZ47 (talk) 12:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletions
Hi there,

I see the proposed deletions that you have made. I think that in most cases you are correct. However, Rafael Carbajal is now a professional coach. Shouldn't that constitute him having an article? Ramon Bailey can be deleted. Nenad Stojčić and Mirko Medić can be deleted. Mario Ostojić played for the Toronto Lynx while they were the top division. Shouldn't that make it OK for him to have an article?

Zoran Kokot should NOT be deleted though! He has made numerous appearances in the Iran Pro League. Please see his deletion entry page and please do not delete his page as that would be incorrect.

Thank you for letting me know of these proposed deletions.

All the best

Tempo21 (talk) 00:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response. Is there anything I can do to save the Rafael Carbajal article from getting deleted? Thanks!

Tempo21 (talk) 00:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * When Mirko Medić played for Mladost Lučani, weren't they in the top division then? Also, on Vejle Boldklub's wiki page, it says they were in the SuperLiga for one year in 2006 which is when Medić played for them!?

All the best

Tempo21 (talk) 01:11, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Timor-Leste PRODs
Contested both Carlo Mateus Ximenez & Salvador Carlos see edit history for rationale. Regards &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:26, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

season not over yet
Wäre mir neu, dass hier jetzt Transfers erst in die Infobox eingetragen werden dürfen wenn die Saison vorbei ist. Dass der Transfer noch nicht vollzogen wurde erfährt man durch einen Blick in die Spalte "currentclub". --Yoda1893 (talk) 16:08, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Protection
Hi Sir Sputnik. Can you please make these two pages, semi-protected? 2012 Dhivehi League & 2012 Dhivehi League Round 1 ZZ47 (talk) 17:41, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

line-ups svg images
Sir, I dont know how to make line-ups svg images (File:Man City vs Stoke 2011-05-14.svg for example). If you know, can you please tell me how to male lineups svg images like that? ZZ47 (talk) 10:02, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Sourcing
Hi Sir Sputnik, as the discussions about Transfermarkt seem to have ended with GS, you and me mostly involved, I will really ask you please to allow me to clarify one last time the missunderstanding that obviously existed back there. I will also invite GS to participate here as I have a long editing relation with him and he is (along with you) among the editors I appreciate and respect the most, both on out project and wp generaly.

To start with, I apologise for taking your time back then and now here but I had some difficulties in explaining exactly how the webiste may be unreliable for some things, but reliable for others. As my last comments were left unresponded I am not 100% sure on how we agreed on that. I just wanted to sress out the following, that the website´s database has actualy 2 different parts: one is the database of players and their transfers, and the other is the "Performance data" which only includes data from the match reports. Now, if I didn´t missed anything, all the problems we had in the past were not related with match reports but with user-generated content: wrong past clubs, wrong years, height, nationality, etc. The only data that includes numbers of matches and goals which is not dependent on match reports is the national team numbers that appear on the profile page of the player. Even those are mostly right as the number is taken from some source, but the national team data is not really why transfermarkt is mostly used for.

What I am focusing in is "Performance data" of each player which is not user-generated and which is entirely created trough match reports. As I explained, when editing one player´s profile, there is no space for editing any league data. That data is menaged only trough match reports. Admins are those who edit the match reports and the appereances and goals are updated automatically to the "Performance data" of that player depending exclusively on them. So that is what I mean when i say that there is a major difference between the general information, and the one under the "Performance data" of each player. Now, the website has increasingly started following more and more leagues each year, and by following I mean that they start having admins that insert the match reports for those leagues. For exemple, they still don´t have anyone working the Montenegrin league, so if you go to any Montenegrin league player you will not find any Montenegrin league data at his "Performance data" page, only stats from the league´s they follow in case of having played in some. But, they follow most of other European leagues. I noteced they are the fastest website to update the league reports and they add them as soon as they come from the league official website (including all same data, line-ups, subs, cards, minutes of each of this events, even referee´s). Now, if you grab any player profile from the current SuperLige, exemple, we see the "Performance data of current season" down there, and that data corresponds to the Performance data for this season at this page. As you can see every single appereance has a match report. If we see further on the performance data page we see all data which the player has backed by match reports, and you can choose to see them by season, or by total. Now, what I need to explain is that those match reports are NOT user-generated, and they have been reliable I dare to say even more than from other generalistic websites. I have never found one single mistake in any match report and all mistakes I beleave we had earlier had not anything to do with match reports.

Now, GS, I really apologise if I was hard on you, but it was inevitable at some point for us to discuss this because you had an extremely bad point of view that was not objective in my opinion. I tryied to explain you several times on discussions about this, but you allways ignored me and continue to repeat the same thing I was calling your atention for. Now, you were certainly unaware, but you ignoring me on this meant that, either you don´t have consideration for me, or you simply beleave that I am not a good editor enough to know which website is reliable enough for being productive for our project and which is not. Basically, you never trusted me for telling you this, and you continued to make your judgment based on some past episodes. Now, I apologise once more for having been hard on you, and I really hope we can put this aside and continue making good cooperation as we did in the past, but I will also ask you please (including you as well, Sir Sputnik) to at least hear me and give me some credit, as I am certailnly not willing to do anything to harm our project, neither would I never defend anything that would bring phalse stats or anything of the kind. Can I at least ask you both to consider this arguments of mine, because until now most of the part related to Serbian SuperLiga and other related leagues, with sources used including Transfermarkt have been wotking quite fine. Basically, all I want is to keep it all this way and I saw everything in stake because of some past incidents on this website which are unrelated to what we use it for, which are mostly the match reports. FkpCascais (talk) 05:54, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll repeat myself for the nth time - Transfermarkt cannot be trusted. Some stuff is wrong - even you admit that - so how are we to tell which bits are wrong and which are correct? If alternative sources exist which verify the site, then why not use them? GiantSnowman 14:48, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry GS, but you still absolutely refuse to give me any credit and I don´t understand why... "Transfermarkt cannot be trusted" you say, well sorry but it can be as trusted as Soccerway, which for some reason you support, and it is equaly "trustfull" as Transfermatky match reports. Can I ask you to find me one single mistake in a match report in Transfermarkt?
 * GS, for notability purposes, Transfermarkt IS reliable as much as the best non-RS can be, because what matters for notability are league appereances, and those ONLY appear in players pages by match reports, which are NOT user-generated. Now, why should this fundamental aspect of the website suffer from some wrong height or other peripherical data? FkpCascais (talk) 00:34, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The thing is that it isn't only peripheral data. All data related to transfers, essential information for BLP's, is user generated. Just as an example: Pelle Jensen. In case it's been fixed by the time you see it, the profile says that Mr. Jensen will transfer both to 1899 Hoffenheim and to an unknown club on 1 July 2012. Not only is this a clerical error caused by user-generation of content, but I can find no other source to confirm the transfer to Hoffenheim. There is a message board discussion on transfermarkt about the transfer citing an article in the print version of the Bild-Zeitung, but for football transfers Bild is of questionable reliability as well. All that being said, the main problem for me is our inability to seperate the allegedly reliable, and I am not convinced that it is, from the clearly unreliable. Those of us who are aware of the reliability problems with transfermarkt are only a minority of editors, an influential minority for football topics admitedly, but a minority nonetheless. If we continue to use transfermarkt as a source, even if only for the parts that you claim are reliable, it will be construed by less informed editors as a sign that all information on transfermarkt is reliable.


 * With regards to your comparison to Soccerway, your analysis is incorrect. ALL material on Soccerway is subject to a sufficiently rigorous editorial review process, not just match reports, and as I've already outlined above, due to the mass contribution nature of Wikipedia, it is necessary to judge the reliability of a source as a whole. Not to mention the fact that there have been errors in preformance data that have had severe adverse affects on Wikipedia.


 * Finally, to address your point about the rate of updates, I simply refer to the fact that Wikipedia is not a new source. It is not without reason that most statistical data on Wikipedia is by a date indicating up to when the statistics are accurate. It is better to have statistical information that is slightly out of date and sourced reliably, than to have information that is up to date but unsourced or unreliably sourced. Sir Sputnik (talk) 02:11, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, I see, perhaps I was too presumptious that everyone will know which data from the website is useble and which isn´t. Also, I see the exemple of Jensen and there is still a double transfer there.


 * But, and this is the main reason of what I want to say, the other non-RS sources have also numerous mistakes. For instance, Soccerway has been pretty clumsy for most Eastern European leagues for years, and only recently they made an effort to actually follow them, and they still have numerous mistakes: nationalities (for most teams I find nationalities included per default, exemple, all players in a Serbian club are mostly by default Serbian, while some may be Montenegrin, Bosnian, Croatian, etc. and they only fix it if a player comes to play for the national team; this nationality issue is not a minor deal there), then we have very incomplete squads, or, I found a couple of cases where two players with same surname were put as one.  Not needing to say that having 3 seasons less than Transfermarkt is a major minus for Serbian SuperLiga, as Transfermarkt has all match-by-match data since 2006 while Soccerway has only since 2009 (and for some other leagues in the region the gap is even bigger).  To be honest, yes, I noteced an improvement in Soccerway once they follow the league, and yes, I have started including them as source in numerous pages, but I often still need almost allways Transfermarkt to fullfill players stats, and that is why I focused on the match reports mostly.


 * Now, if I go further comparing other acceptable non-RS, I conclude that our acceptance is random. Playerhistory which was once considered quite reliable has been having more and more frequent errors, beside not providing us any sources for their data (actually, I found out they took stats from us, which left me really disapointed with them).  Then National-Football-Teams.com has often had complains.  Zerozero? Come on... I can make you a list wrong clubs in wrong seasons for many players.  Worldfootball (Weltfussball) has been similar, no detail, often scarse info, wrong nationalities...  So, I actually concluded troughout experience that for the Balkans Transfermarkt was the most reliable and usefull one.  I didn´t did this to annoy you guys, right the opposite, I even made an effort to switch to some other source, but I really couldn´t replace it totaly with any other, not even closely.  This is the main reason of this, beside personaly for me, not making much sense to replace a website which has been impecable for Balkan leagues stats with some other which is also a non-RS but less reliable and much less complete...


 * I do undertand now your issue of other editors not being familiarised with the websites like we are, but I still beleave that all websites have their stronger and weaker sides (we dont have a perfect website unfortunatelly) and we need to somehow menage to be aware which websites are more reliable for which geographical areas. For instance, Zerozero and Foradejogo have been quite reliable for Portuguese and Brazilian stats, while for others their info is pretty basic; SambaFoot for Brazil; Soccerway for Western Europe and major leagues; EU-Football.info for European national teams data; BDutbol for Spain; Fussballdaten for Germany; BDFA for Argentina and Latin America (excluding Brazil); 90minut.pl for Poland; Playerhistory and NFT none specific but a little bit of everything; etc. Now, many of these try also to be generalistic ones, but all fail to be perfect, and all we can conclude is that they are reliable for certain regions (their owns mostly), while for others they only make an effort...  Now, I do have a method of acknolledging a level of reliability, and it has to do with the fact that I often check obscure players.  Usually, if a website has good stats for obscure players it gives a good indication, and Transfermarkt has been good on that regarding European Eastern and Southestern leagues.  I cannot escape from this conclusion.


 * To conclude, I will, just as I allways did until now, incentivate the use of several sources: official ones if existent, Srbijafudbal or another historical database, and a current season one like Soccerway or/and Transfermarkt when necessary. Now, there are players which Socceway doesn´t have on their database because they only started following many of these leagues just a few years back, so it is inevitable that Transfermarkt will be usefull for some cases.  Can we agree to be tolerant over this and Sir Sputnik and GS, can you at least try to confirm the match reports (league stats) of Transfermarkt when proding?  If any of you has a better sugestion I am obviously willing to listen. FkpCascais (talk) 04:53, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

re: John Jairo Ruiz
Hello Sir Sputnik, I wanted to let you know I removed the PROD from this article. Although he is a young player, I believe there is significant coverage of his exploits in reliable sources (the Costa Rican online newspapers have dedicated many articles to his exploits and transfer to Lille). I realize that the Costa Rican Primera may not be fully-pro, but I think there is enough information available to write a decent, verifiable article which shows why the player is notable. I began expanding it (but my Spanish-language skills are lacking) and I suspect some of our Spanish-speaking editors can flesh it out further.

Please feel free to send it to AfD if you disagree. Best regards and keep up the great work clearing out the never-ending stream of non-notable FOOTY BLP stubs. Jogurney (talk) 20:05, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

All-time Fußball-Bundesliga table
Hi. I was going to argue about the German external link. Then I noticed you're a BSC fan&mdash;so you have enough on your plate. Keep up the good editing and good luck next week in Düsseldorf!

Best regards

TINY MARK  07:19, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

2010–11 Primera Catalana
I am never sure how to properly contest a PROD so have contacted you.

If the Spanish fifth tier Primera Catalana is recognised as notable it would perhaps be helpful in this instance to provide a fuller explanation why a single season for 2010-11 is not notable. It is noticed that in Germany season articles for fifth tier leagues are sometimes covered e.g. Category:Hessenliga seasons and Primera Catalana could be a similar case. If a satisfactory explanation cannot be provided I would like to contest the PROD.

Kind regards

League Octopus (League Octopus 09:13, 16 May 2012 (UTC)).

Speedy deletion declined: Adam Quinn (footballer)
Hello Sir Sputnik. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Adam Quinn (footballer), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''The article is not substantially the same as the deleted version. A new deletion discussion is required.''' Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:36, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Igor Talevski
Regarding the above it is also a BOLP without a single reliable source. BO ; talk 17:31, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

FC Kasiysi
This club is certainly notable as the have entered the Finnish Cup on a number of occasions including 2004 Finnish Cup, 2008 Finnish Cup, 2009 Finnish Cup, 2010 Finnish Cup, 2011 Finnish Cup, and 2012 Finnish Cup. Kind regards League Octopus(League Octopus 07:50, 24 May 2012 (UTC).

Bianca Henninger
Do you think is this enough? SirEdimon (talk) 21:15, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

http://www.fifa.com/u20womensworldcup/news/newsid=1277278.html

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/statisticsandrecords/players/player=302759/index.html

http://santaclarabroncos.com/sports/w-soccer/2011-12/bios/henninger%20bianca00.html

http://www.ourgamemagazine.com/?p=3604

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6906385/ncaa-women-soccer-santa-clara-goalkeeper-bianca-henninger-bianca-henninger-no-equal-college-game

http://www.seniorclassaward.com/athletes/bianca_henninger/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tf5EwL-lwU

My user page
Feel free to edit or start any of the articles listed on my user page. Kingjeff (talk) 03:33, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Keith Buckley (Irish footballer)
I have removed the prod tag from Keith Buckley (Irish footballer), which you proposed for deletion, because I think that this article should not be deleted from Wikipedia. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the prod template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks! KTC (talk) 22:12, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Erm, sorry my mistake. It helps if I can read properly... I'll send it to AfD. KTC (talk) 22:41, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: Contested PROD of Mohamed Walid Bencherifa
I've added some refs to the article to confirm that he has played in the second division, and I also fixed up the article, which was in really bad shape. TonyStarks (talk) 19:42, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Ryan Maduro (footballer)
Can you undelete the article of Ryan Maduro as he made his pro debut with New York Red Bulls on 5/29/12. Elop76 —Preceding undated comment added 13:33, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

re: Brian Ownby
Alright, thanks for the heads up. — Michael (talk) 20:37, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Branislav Kriška
Yes, Kriška has not played any game in the first level - league, but even José Mourinho. But trained teams in Corgoň Liga as head coach, like José Mourinho.

FK Dukla Banská Bystrica juniors (reserve team)
Why was the page I created deleted (about Dukla BB Juniors)?

About Bela-Vista (football club)
Greetings. Due to recent developments in the deletion discussion, you may want to revise your !vote. Cheers. – Kosm  1  fent  18:47, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Help Survey
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Pape Latyr N'Diaye
Hello Sir Sputnik. I wanted to leave a note that I've contested the PROD of this article. I realize that this goalkeeper has never played for Senegal, nor in a fully-pro league, but I believe he ought to pass the GNG (based on some work I did a few weeks ago) and he is notable enough based on his exploits in the Senegalese league (4 cup titles and 1 league title - as a captain of his club). Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 04:13, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

WP Football in the Signpost
The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Football for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 15:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Kai Herdling
Herdling's loan deal with the Philadelphia Union was ended two weeks early. As of June 19th, Herdling is now the property of Hoffenheim II and now longer playing with the Union. Stalegum (talk) 17:28, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Kaká (footballer born 1981) - Reply
Hi there SPUTNIK, VASCO here

regarding this message you sent to my standard IP address (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:217.129.65.54#Your_edit_summary_at_Kak.C3.A1_.28footballer_born_1981.29), yes, you are correct, i should not have removed the entire PORTO reference, you were right to undo me, i should only have "taken care" of the overlinking, and when i undid it, i should have written a (polite, not one of "my own") summary, DOUBLE mistake.

Now the piece is fine, good work, keep it up from Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

PROD protocols
Why? There is no requirement for me to do so. No offence, but I won't be doing it just because you think I should either. Thanks for the message though. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 13:51, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


 * As your quote says, there is absolutely no requirement. Therefore your message informing me of a "protocol" was wrong. Respectfully, you are now wasting both of our time. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 14:15, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Rot Weiss Ahlen squad
Template:Rot Weiss Ahlen squad has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Kq-hit (talk) 21:54, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Strange footballer articles.
I saw you Proded Andoni Tsapalianas. Very weird. The creating editor is creating these pages with the Prod already there. They are all non-notable as they haven't played in a fully professional league. Not sure what to do. I'll contact an admin too. Bgwhite (talk) 22:51, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Vernes Selimović
Unfortunately not eligible for PROD as it was previously deleted by that, please take to AfD. Thanks, GiantSnowman 08:19, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Marko Dmitrović
Hello. I'm afraid I've had to decline the PROD on Marko Dmitrović as that article was deleted via PROD once before (you proposed it then too!). Feel free to take to AfD. Cheers, Whouk (talk) 12:44, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Not a Euro medal?
Not a medal for football EUro? Two team who loose semi-final mathes get's a medal. Two sets of medals for a two teams. In 2008 Russia & Turkey gets a physically perceived medals. It's lie?

PRUF - http://rubin-kazan.ru/en/players/22.html. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EddyBenoit (talk • contribs) 22:34, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Muhammad Agung Pribadi
Another one that needs to go to AfD as it was previously deleted by PROD - sorry. GiantSnowman 19:24, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I've now sent it to AFD, see WP:Articles for deletion/Muhammad Agung Pribadi. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 20:06, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Rilwan Waheed
Hi. Can you please check the editing history of the page Rilwan Waheed ? Because someone has ruined the page, by deleting many information I wrote in the International career and Style of play. The player info box of the page has also been edited with wrong information. I request you please take action on this and protect the article. ~ Regards, ZZ47 (talk) 08:41, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

About korean football club deletion
Hi, why will you delet south korean football club article. These clubs were very important part of Korean Football history, In Korea, Due to Military service, many young football players have to go these clubs. These clubs won Korea Semi-Professional Football League which of top division at that time. And These clubs produced many famous south korean football star players. Cha Bum-Kun, Huh Jung-Moo, Kim Jung-Nam, Lee Hoe-Taik

This club more notable such as American football team Richmond Speed, New Haven Ninjas, Bethlehem Bulldogs, Wichita Stealth in the world. But These American football team article is exist. Why korean football club article will delete? This is very unfair.

About korean football club deletion
Do you know about hitory of these south korean football club deletion history? These football clubs were deletion nominated by User talk:Livitup who american football mania. He neglects south korean football. So many south korean football club articles were deleted. At that time, I were very busy, So I can't check out wikipdia. So I can't contest deletion.

English wikipedia is very unfair. All things about America were not delet. For example, Richmond Speed, New Haven Ninjas, Bethlehem Bulldogs, Wichita Stealth These american football team is exist, Why south korean past famous football club article will be delete,

Please check out List of South Korean football champions article. These football clubs are very important part of korean football history.

If you want to delete these articles, Please tag on american football team article If you do that, I aree. 10:06, 10 July 2012 (UTC) Footwiks (talk) 10:08, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't care
Pfrd and footwiks are my ID. Editing is my just hobboy. I don't want to boast my contributions. If I don't log on everyday, So sometimes I missed my password. So I created manay IDs. If you block Pfrd and footwitks, I don't care... 11:48, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Please tag on american football team
If you checked out this category [[]

You have to tag deletion on these articles. 11:50, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

A Word of warning
Do you neglect korean and korean football? What is the difference my articles and american football team articles [[]?

Why do you only place an deletion tag on my artcles? Are you stoker? or Do you hate south korean football? Why do you connivance american football team articles?

My articles are deleted without consultation in April. That time I was very busy and I didn't log in. My job is not editing or patrolling like you. Editing is just hobby.

So That time I can't protest.

4 people who neglect korean football were agreed deletion. Leader guy is american football mania. He is very selfish american guy. He only wanto to delete south korean football club articles. But he allowed american football team articls.

I can't accept this unfair situation.

Pleaes don't place speedy deletion. Many korean users who like football expand my articles. Please give some time.

If you delete, I created article everyday. If you block, I created ID again.

I'm not interested in Bastar or any powers of Wikipedia.

I only want to contribute wikipedia regarding korean football. Footwiks (talk) 13:48, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Rob Lainton
Hi, I'm not here to complain, but I see that you've deleted my article on Rob Lainton, since that was my first article I want to learn from it and see what I could have done better, please can you tell me why it was deleted and how to write a better article, thanks CrompersCrompo 20:45, 18 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ncbwfc (talk • contribs)

ANI notice
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User repeatedly recreating articles that were deleted via AfD.. Thank you. Bgwhite (talk) 20:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Chohung Bank FC
With reference to Articles for deletion/Chohung Bank FC I have now re-written:


 * Chohung Bank FC
 * Cheil Industries FC
 * Pyongyang FC

I also make reference in my comments to the status of the Korean National Football Championship, predecessor to the current FA Cup, with reference to the Korean Football Association website. It is a shame that this page which lists the National Football Championship winners and runners-up is not in English.


 * 조흥은행 = Chohung Bank FC
 * 제일모직 = Cheil Industries FC

League Octopus (League Octopus 06:25, 20 July 2012 (UTC))

Speedy deletion declined: Alexandru Dedov
Hello Sir Sputnik. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Alexandru Dedov, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''Subject seems to now paly for a notable (pro) league. Discuss at FOOTY is in doubt.''' Thank you. Alexf(talk) 15:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

2012-13 Hertha BSC season assessment
Why is the article listed as list-class article? This article can be linked to a list; but I don't see how the article itself is a list-class article. Kingjeff (talk) 19:24, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok. I'm going to change it. The scope of the article is really more than just lists. Kingjeff (talk) 04:01, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Jeffrey Monakana & Jack King
How can they be added to a deletion discussion based on them not playing fully pro, When the season only starts for Preston and most of the English Leagues from 18th August 2012, due to the olympics. They are signed by the club, I've referenced official profile pages, and listed noteable references from viable sources. It's ridiculous. I put my own time and effort into this! DaPlayerX (talk) 02:10, 29 July 2012‎

Robbie Crawford
Just a polite note to say ive taken your Prod to AFD as was declined by author. Blethering  Scot  11:46, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of two more articles
Hello Sir Sputnik,

I created the articles Lazo Džepina and Stanislav Zvezdić but I get the feeling they don't pass Wikipedia's fully pro criteria.

Could you help me out with these?

All the best,

Tempo21 (talk) 02:13, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Caolan Lavery
Dont know if you noticed that Adam never moved the page might be better to ask an admin to move it back so the History doesnt get deleted given it was in Adam's user space. Blethering  Scot  22:35, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ive realised i could do it myself so have. Blethering  Scot  23:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Saying that i was right the first time and its only because i cocked up that it moved but at leasts its not in article space and ive asked Snowy to fix it. Blethering  Scot  23:15, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

* re: Jack king & Jeffrey Monakana

 *  re: Jack king & Jeffrey Monakana  Well tomorrow is the first OFFICIAL match they WILL have. Like a few days made a whole world of difference!!!

They WILL be starting is the word locally, (Yes, I live in Deepdale, right next to the stadium, and know a few things not that it matters!) but seeing as I am the original author, I hope you do the right thing and restore my articles tomorrow!

Here is a reference >> << that suggests (Not supports) it also!

But you will know tomorrow anyway!

David Haro Iniesta
A PROD of yours that has been contested - do you want to take to AfD or shall I? GiantSnowman 14:31, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I'll leave it to you if that's alright, I'm away from Thursday-Monday anyway so don't want to start an AfD and then leave half-way through. GiantSnowman 08:03, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

AN/I notice...
...since the person who posted it didn't see fit to notify you: here. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:59, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
SarahStierch (talk) 20:28, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Albanian Superliga comment
. Albaniafutboll (talk) 00:35, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Maldives National Football Team
Hi, Can you please set this Maldives national football team page as it was in the date 9 August 2012 ?? ZZ47 (talk) 07:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Baptiste Aloé
Hi, just to let you know I removed the BLPPROD you placed at Baptiste Aloé, as it has already had a BLPPROD tag removed. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 22:58, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Rodrigo Ely
I'm not an expert on football, so you're going to have to help me out here. I think this page shows he appeared in a game in a league which satisfies notability under WikiProject Football/Notability. If I'm wrong, let me know.  Citi Cat   ♫ 16:39, 2 September 2012 (UTC)