User talk:Sixthousandmiles

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Your submission at Articles for creation
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Hello!
I apologize for not replying sooner. The article may be fit for the mainspace if you provide more inline citations after each fact. I believe that you already have the knowledge to be able to do so as I have seen one fact having an inline citation. Inline citations are the small numbers within brackets. It's something like this: [1]. You could maybe use the external links that are placed in the bottom of the article. Regards--Hallows AG (talk) 06:59, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation
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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Venus Cow concern
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Your submission at AfC Venus Cow (August 16)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Venus Cow


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 * It seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. (See section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Business for more information.
 * It is a rejected submission at Articles for creation, and it has not been edited in over a year. (See section G13 of the criteria for speedy deletion.)

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Venus Cow
Hi, thanks for message. I'll be logging off shortly, so it will be tomorrow before I can do a proper reply, thanks  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  17:37, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, it's very confusing. As the AFC reviewer put it ''Written in a promotional and non-encyclopedic tone. Many of the sources given do not talk about the term "Venus Cow" as a term and the ones that do refer to a company titled by the same name. The article starts off like a definition and then goes off onto a promotional essay about a company and the company's owner. Please read WP:RS to see what is considered a reliable source and also WP:GNG to see what is necessary to pass general notability''

If you want to write about the company, you need to
 * provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines.
 * write in a non-promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic. One example of unsourced claims being presented as fact is: Venus Cow is not just a company but part of a growing third sector helping people to recognise a non materialistic and purpose driven lifestyle is the key to health, wealth and ultimate happiness, understanding everything of real value cannot be purchased and talents or gifts when shared freely naturally reproduce and manifest in other ways, but there is a lot more meaningless but spammy guff in the same vein.
 * Give factual information about the company itself. How many employees? Turnover? Profits? Has the company ever received negative publicity? Who are its competitors?
 * there shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections
 * You have an obvious conflict of interest when it comes to editing articles about this subject. If, after reading the information about notability linked above, you still believe that your organisation is notable enough for a Wikipedia article (and that there is significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources), you could, if you wish, post a request at Requested articles for the article to be created. See also Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest.

If you intended to write about Shirley Yanez, the same criteria apply except that the relevant notability criteria are here. It is now Wikipedia policy that biographical articles about living people must have independent verifiable references, or they will be deleted. Again, an essay about how wonderful she is is unlikely to succeed. What is needed is verifiable facts.

I hope this help,  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  07:14, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I'll post the text here shortly  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  08:56, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Your request for undeletion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that a response has been made at Requests for undeletion regarding a submission you made. The thread is Venus Cow. JohnCD (talk) 11:09, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

More advice
I wrote the advice below in a sandbox before I saw that Jimfbleak had advised you above. I may as well copy it here anyway.

Your draft was too promotional to be restored, even as a draft, and you need to start from a clean sheet anyway. (I offered at WP:REFUND to email you the text, but I see Jim has put it in a sandbox for you).

It was not at all clear what this was meant to be about: You need to decide the subject and write the article accordingly. It should start with a "lead paragraph" which says briefly what it is about and why that is significant/important.
 * A new term "Venus Cow"? That would need evidence that it is in general use, not just a slogan of this company - see WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary
 * A business of that name that sells "Perfect black leggings"? See WP:Notability (organizations and companies) and be aware that Wikipedia is extremely resistant to anything that looks like promotion.
 * A biography of Shirley Yanez? See WP:Notability (people)

From your use of the term "we" it is clear you are connected with the business, so you should read the Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. It is not impossible for people close to a subject to write about it, but it is hard, because you are thinking of the story the business or person wants to tell the world, not what the reader of a general encyclopedia wants to know. You need to make a strong effort to think of yourself, not as writing for the business/person, but as writing for Wikipedia about them, from outside. Wikipedia wants a neutral point of view: don't try to sell, just describe. No glowing adjectives, no opinions, only plain facts, neutrally stated and backed up by reliable sources. There is good advice for editors in this situation, which addresses both the COI issue and any doubts about notability, at User:Uncle G/On notability: "'When writing about subjects that are close to you, don't use your own personal knowledge of the subject, and don't cite yourself, your web site, or the subject's web site. Instead, use what is written about the subject by other people, independently, as your sources. Cite those sources in your very first edit.  If you don't have such sources, don't write.'" Do not rely too much on interviews for references, because they are also just the subject telling the world about herself. What is really needed is what other people say. There is good general advice at WP:Your first article and WP:Writing better articles. JohnCD (talk) 11:09, 25 February 2014 (UTC)