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Nomination of Vladyslav Yakubovskyi for deletion
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AcademyTech
Hi @Sjb72, too busy to prevent the deletion of the page AcademyTech which you recently deleted, i would have rather preferred to request it be moved to draft to improve it and remove advertising materials/content on the page. I would request you please restore the page as a draft so i can work on it and improve it until it is ready to be published in the main space. Thank you Nuel Jr (talk) 13:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I just realized you deleted two pages! Could you restore them both to draft space please? Thank you for your input. Nuel Jr (talk) 13:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * For reference; AcademyTech & Austere Systems Nuel Jr (talk) 13:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have reviewed both articles, and I do not believe either of them are suitable for Wikipedia, even if you did a complete rewrite to remove all the promotional material. I did not see any references, only links to press releases, YouTube videos; nothing made either topic notable. If I were to restore them, the articles would only be speedily deleted again.
 * As such, I will not be restoring them now, as it will be a waste of your time. However, I will restore them, provided you meet these conditions:
 * First, explain how you will write the articles so they do not read like advertising copy.
 * Second, for each article you wish me to restore, you need to show me three different references from reliable sources that demonstrate why the article meets the notability requirements.
 * Finally, you declare whether or not you have any paid connection with these organisations.
 * If you can meet these conditions, I will restore the articles.
 * Alternatively, if you'd rather someone else review these articles for deletion, you can take them to WP:DELREV. Stephen! Coming... 14:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I believe the way to write both articles so they do not read like advertising copy is by me being neutral and removing all puffery or biased content. I do not have the write up currently as i started in my sandbox, but i doubt i took this into much note when writing the articles. I apologize for that. To amend, i will remove all that and be neutral in my perspective. Including adding these contents/links where the company Austere Ltd was mentioned https://www.casemine.com/judgement/in/665a1f5f761b2b5bb626576d & this https://indiankanoon.org/doc/47155388/. In general, what i mean is i will take a neutral tone in my write up.
 * For Austere Ltd, i have https://www.thehindu.com/incoming/gurugram-admin-launches-online-encyclopaedia-on-districts-villages/article67562964.ece where the company is mentioned, the above earlier stated links, https://www.justdial.com/jdmart/Pune/Austere-Systems-Pvt-Ltd-Nigdi/020PXX20-XX20-170819133552-H2N6_BZDET/catalogue i believe. I have not really done a deep enough dive, which is why i requested they be restored as a draft and not article space. For AcademyTech, i have https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/teknoloji/cisco-advanced-services-egitimleri-artik-turkce-17815622, https://shiftdelete.net/academytechden-ccie-v40-r-s-kursu-15682, https://www.itnetwork.com.tr/360-derece-bilisim-uzmanligi-academyteche-ciscodan-inovasyon-odulu-getirdi/ among others which i believe i added in the articles late.
 * No i have not been paid for either article. I am a lawyer, and i came across Austere Ltd's case and looked more into it and decided to give it an article. I should have probably included the case as well. And for AcademyTech, i also came across one of its students, Yildiz, which led me to creating a page for both. I found other companies and i was going to make more.
 * Thank you Nuel Jr (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I would honestly prefer if they could be restored as drafts. Not back to the main space. So i can have enough time improving them rather than being worried about speedy deletions because they are in the mainspace. Thank you. Nuel Jr (talk) 15:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response, and I apologise for not being able to respond sooner.
 * Firstly, I accept that you have a better understanding of what is and is not permitted in articles. Thank you for reading up on it.
 * Having said that, I still will not be restoring either article, as I still do not believe they meet the requirements for notability. Being mentioned in court cases is not enough; any company could be mentioned in one. Now, if the court case was a widely publicised one in multiple well-respected (and notable) news outlets, and the case is about the company, then notability is starting to be established.
 * Similarly, being mentioned in a press release is not an example of notability, even the the press release is all about the company.
 * The closest on there to showing notability (and this is down to me using Google Translate) is the innovation award AcademyTech got. I think Cisco is a notable company, and so an argument can be made that this helps demonstrate notability, but that isn't enough on its own. Have a read of the notability requirements of companies, paying close attention to this section to see why the links you provided are insufficient.
 * You have a couple of options now. I am going to be away for a long weekend, so I will not be able to do any further reviewing for a little bit. So, you could see if you can find multiple secondary reliable sources and present them to me, along with you stating why they show notability. Please don't just drop the link on its own - I want to see that you have correctly interpreted why a link is demonstrating notability and isn't just mentioning the company.
 * The other option is to take your appeal to Deletion Review, and have others independent of me check to see if your article(s) can be restored. Stephen! Coming... 11:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that. Could i ask that the articles be userfied to my draft space so i can look through the content i already have and use the previous links to get more as well? Nuel Jr (talk) 12:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * As I said before, I will not be restoring them. And to be clear, this includes moving them without redirect to draftspace. Stephen! Coming... 12:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Here are the links from AcademyTech. Please note that many (if not all) of these will not qualify as suitable references.
 * 
 * Sorry, I had trouble extracting the links from the other one. Stephen! Coming... 14:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Nuel Jr has now been indef UPE-blocked. DMacks (talk) 06:18, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Cheers for letting me know. I'll remove all the links now. Stephen! Coming... 05:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

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