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Upper Wye Gorge SSSI
Shouldn't it be Lower Wye Gorge SSSI? Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:33, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you!! Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:35, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you so much - however, it seems someone has now done the job for me and redirected the page so my history is restored.Sjeans (talk)
 * No probs! Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:42, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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Just a note that, per WP:IUP, there is usually no need to credit photographers on images in articles - they are credited on the image file. Thanks for all the work you're doing on NNRs and the like, by the way. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:09, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for this information. I had started to be a little worried as I found that there were implied attribution conditions on some of the photographs so I played it 'safe'.  I find working on Wikipedia a very supportive environment in which to work.  It is an amazing resource and I notice how often when doing Google searches Wikipedia will be in the top selections.  Generally pleased with The Commons photos, but wish there were more of the areas in which I am writing currently and categories were used to locate them.  I have put a couple up myself of a rare 'buttercup' for people to use. And thanks also for your comment about my environmental work - this started because I found some stubs awhile back and thought I had better do something to respond. Sjeans (talk) 14:23, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Excellent - let me know if you need any advice or help. I've indented your comment above - using a : - because it's normal practice and makes threads easier to read.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:52, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks, fixed. Still working my way through SSSIs in Gloucestershire for which I have researched supporting publications. I've also done some categorizing of media on Wikimedia Commons for Gloucestershire nature reserves. Still learning and value all the support given. Sjeans (talk) 09:09, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

SSSIs
Hello Sjeans. Thanks for your help with SSIs. In case you don't know, an editor has a useful summary page at User:MarcusBritish/SSSIs which is worth looking at. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:06, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you; hadn't discovered that. As you say it is really useful.Sjeans (talk)

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 * Thank you - what a really pleasant surprise.Sjeans (talk) 19:58, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Nagshead
Hello, I read the comment attached to your recent edit of the [Nagshead]] page. The title was something I pondered on when begining the page, although I don't think 'Nagshead RSPB' would be the right choice. I called it 'Nagshead' on the grounds that that is the name of the woodland in which RSPB Nagshead is located. As it turned out, the article gravitated towards a description of RSPB activities on the site, rather than a narative on the site itself, and so I would have no objection if you wanted to move the page to 'RSPB Nagshead'.Obscurasky (talk) 01:17, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for picking up this query so quickly. I found myself in a bit of a dilemma as it did not prove possible to combine your lead article with the requirements for the SSSI project documentation.  The articles take different slants and I found that the two info boxes 'clashed' - particularly in respect of the co-ordinates which are then interpreted for the top of page (right hand corner). I did wonder if there should in fact be a disambiguation page to ensure people were directed to each article as appropriate for the reader requirements. I will ponder some more on this as not sure I quite understand 'the rules' on their construction. Sjeans (talk) 08:27, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I hadn't realsied that you've created a new Nagshead page - and quite honestly, I'm not actually clear why? The SSSI site is loacated within Nagshead, and the information on Nagshead SSSI should logically appear on that page. Obscurasky (talk) 12:48, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've just given the lead, on the the Nagshead page, a slight tweak in the hope that this will clarify that it is about 'Nagshead', the area, and not specifically the RSPB operation on the site. The more I think about it, however, the more I'm convinced that the excellent information you have submitted on the Nagshead SSSI page belongs in a subheading on the Nagshead page. Obscurasky (talk) 12:56, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting back again. My first thoughts were those you have expressed and I attempted to do this, but met various problems:
 * (a) SSSI documentation requires use of the SSSI Info box and a particular structure for the documentation to meet the standards required. I've been both expanding existing SSSI stubs and creating new SSSI articles where no stubs exist. There are SSSI county page lists and an overall GB list which are gradually being completed against the standards required and some have acquired 'Featured List Status' because of the way that everything has been structured, right down to the individual SSSI articles. Sorry if I am repeating what you already know, but it helps me to focus on the problems.
 * (b) There is an infobox in the 'Nagshead' article ( for 'parks'?), which means that there is potential conflict with the SSSI infobox. The mapping co-ordinates from introducing two distinct infoboxes in one article appear to cause a problem for the co-ordinates registered at the top of the wiki page (top right hand corner) which appear automatically. I suppose this is because it is not expected that two different infoboxes will normally be used in one article, articles being about distinct subjects e.g. a mountain, a national park, an SSSI etc. I spent a significant amount of time trying to find 'a workaround', but gave up in the end as I can only give so much of my time to Wikipedia and would like to work my way through Gloucestershire SSSIs and there are rather a lot which remain without stubs or developed articles.
 * (c) Thus to summarise, the SSSI project articles are articles dedicated to SSSIs and it becomes difficult to treat them as 'sub-headings' when it is the SSSI which is of prime importance, and there appear to be technical problems in trying to use multiple infoboxes in one article when mapping co-ordinates exist to generate location maps. Not sure where to take this further as unless someone puts the two pages together it's not possible to review the problem and to find a solution. Thanks for keeping in touch. Sjeans (talk) 17:56, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, that's fine with me. I think the Nagshead page would still befefit from an SSSI section (essentially an abreviated verstion of the Nagshead SSSI page), and with a 'main article' link to it.Obscurasky (talk) 18:27, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, agree. A summary section with link to 'main article'. I'll see what I can do - time rather runs away with you when you get on to Wikipedia and some things go well and some things can get a little stuck. Thanks again for suggestions.  Sjeans (talk) 18:44, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks - will resolve it.Sjeans (talk) 07:57, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thank you - will allocate some time to read up. I've been working mostly in Gloucestershire AOS and have tried to document carefully where SSSIs are cross border.  The SSSI citations, as you are aware, indicate Councils involved historically. I'm just getting up to speed with how the AOS have been set up as have been rather working right down at the 'chalk face' writing articles/'big' stubs etc. My current target is to complete the Gloucestershire List for linked articles if I can over the next month or so.  Have been really impressed by what has been achieved on this big project.Sjeans (talk) 09:25, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks - working my way through Gloucestershire SSSIs and hope to complete them all in a month or so to at least what I am calling 'big stub' status (more than a couple of sentences). Replying here as I find some of the open personal talk pages a little intimidating (some of the content).Sjeans (talk) 10:29, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for information - will read up about this Sjeans (talk) 12:20, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Meant to add that the URL format in this special Info box I'm using (one for SSSIs and the SSSI GB project) is pre programmed, as you are aware. All we enter is the Natural England reference number for the SSSI and the coding produces what appears in the box being the 'Natural England web site'. That is the link to the research source. The template you drew my attention to could be used if there were special unique web sites for the SSSI in question. I've checked up on the templates. Thanks once again. Sjeans (talk) 13:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks - as you are probably aware this is part of a big project for SSSIs in Great Britain and is part of a major list complex. Sjeans (talk) 13:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks - corrected - grateful for this supportive service as the environmental articles on which I am working usually have many species links. Sjeans (talk) 13:03, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks - all corrected, invaluable checking. Sjeans (talk) 14:59, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Forest of Dean Local Plan Review
Why are you adding "The site is listed in the 'Forest of Dean Local Plan Review'" to those articles? Of course they are bound to be "listed" - it's as if you are adding ".... is shown on an OS map". It means nothing and is wholly trivial and non-notable - unless the local plan is proposing some change to policy in those areas, which I very much doubt. As a planner for 30-something years, I assure you that local plans mention lots of things, which are not worthy of being mentioned here. It's not a big deal, I suppose, but it's a bit spammy and totally unwarranted. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:31, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi - The Local Plans are primary source documents for certain information such as Key Wildlife Sites (KWS) and Regionally Important Geological Sites (RIGS). The Councils/Boroughs are responsible for the designation. This information is needed for source reference for many of the Gloucestershire's nature reserves and geological research sites. They are verification sources for the conservation status of sites designated at a national/international level, and are bound by the responsibilities placed upon them by the designations. Hope that explains why I am doing this, and have spent a great deal of time (you can see this from my personal log) documenting Gloucestershire's environmental heritage and ensuring that there are sufficient verifiable sources. With best wishes Sjeans (talk) 15:20, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * For those sites designated in local plans, I agree, but you seem to be mentioning the local plan for all sites, including those designated by Natural England where the local plan merely notes what others have determined. Am I wrong?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:41, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi - I decided to mention all sites on reflection, because a large number of SSSIs are also KWS and/or RIGS across the county. This is all rather tied together providing a consistent approach. It also provides an independent (but reliable) verification of a single source (Natural England). I'm mindful that readers across the globe may not fully understand the importance of the British systems for designations for nature reserves and sites of special scientific interest and at the different 'levels'. I've been grateful for finding the appendices to all the Local Plans (still struggling a bit for Tewkesbury) as they truly bring together in ONE place, all aspects for nature conservation not only in their district/borough, but across boundaries. With best wishes Sjeans (talk) 16:09, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I still feel that, in many cases, mentioning that the sites are listed in a local plan is unnecessary and unhelpful, and may lead some to think that local plans are more significant in the designation processes than they actually are.   If the issue is one of verification, I think this would be better done by adding a reference, rather than a sentence in the text.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:17, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The sentence really belongs to the reference to the KWS and RIGS which are the responsibility for designation of the Councils and published in the Local Plans. The reference to the SSSIs can be moved to where a sentence talks about the SSSI designation. (However, is it not the local councils who research and put forward the proposals for the citations at 'higher levels', in consultation with other conservation bodies so they are within the designation process?) This is going to take me a little time to do. Sjeans (talk) 16:42, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thank you - a really nice surprise. Sjeans (talk) 16:03, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ridley Bottom, Tidenham
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Sapperton Valley
Hello Sjeans, I was just reading your new article. I was a bit confused by the name "land whelk" for one of the mollusks mentioned (I am a bit of a mollusk expert). Maybe the source you used does not give any more info than that? But if I had to guess, I would say this very odd name might be intended to apply to Pomatias elegans? Got any idea? What exactly does the source say? Does it show an image?Many thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 12:54, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

If I was forced to use a name like that, I would refer to Pomatias elegans not as a "land whelk", but as a "land winkle", as it is in the same superfamily as the winkles. Invertzoo (talk) 12:57, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for this explanation and detail. The published reference handbook I have only states '... the uncommon Land Whelk... for this nature reserve.  I will link and describe as you suggest. Unfortunately no images given. Most grateful. Sjeans (talk) 13:41, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Very nice article Sjeans! I am pretty certain the reference must have meant Pomatias elegans. That family of snails is sometimes light-heartedly referred to as "winkles come ashore", and that species does live in Gloucestershire, although it is quite uncommon generally in England. Does Sapperton Valley have areas of loose friable soil that is very rich in lime? If so, then that would support the idea that this species occurs there. Invertzoo (talk) 21:07, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I'm sure you are right and the description of uncommon in Britain etc. Pomatias elegans fitted in with this statement in the reference document. I think 'Land Whelk' was probably the authors' 'pet name' - if they had included the Latin I would have had less of a dilemma what they meant. The Sapperton Valley nature reserve is south of the Siccaridge Wood reserve i.e. in the valley bottom below the wood.  The information I have on the wood is that it is on a spur of oolitic limestone and that the soil at the top of the slope is thin, but the valley is deeper Brown Earths. I will follow up on this with the conservation officers for the site.  I've sent in a few queries to date on some of the information researched for Gloucestershire's nature reserves. Best wishes Sjeans (talk) 12:33, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Very cool, thanks Sjeans. If you ever need any help on land freshwater or marine snail, slug, or clam-related stuff, please feel free to ask me. Invertzoo (talk) 13:56, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

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