User talk:Skeezix1000/Archives/2006/May

Tim Hortons
Hi, Skeezix -- I see you reverted my changes to Tim Hortons with the explanation "The comments in that section of the talk page have been responded to first -- please respond to those before blanking an entire section, esp. sourced material)". I assume some words got omitted. If you're saying I shouldn't change it till the comments in the talk section have been responded to, how long am I supposed to wait? As for the section being sourced, I think the section would be more to the point if it actually discussed what those sources claim about Tim's supposed iconic status (and, like, soon). As I've said elsewhere on the talk page, Tim's deserves a serious article, and the cultural fixture section is not serious.

Anyway, after removing the footnotes I reverted to your last version and won't touch the article till I get some advice from you. John FitzGerald 11:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I replied on the talk page to your recently posted comment, which answers my question above. As for my answers, my position on Tim's cultural status is clearly and fully described in the section caled "Remove or improve the cultural icon section." How about someone responding to my points for a change? John FitzGerald 11:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, Skeez. thanks for the prompt reply. I think the problem is we're of different minds about how to go about dealing with this section. The two approaches can probably be combined. I'll have to get back to you about this later, though. I'm recovering from an operation and I think I've used up my energy for today. At any rate, I think if this article is to stay in it should be expanded and include some definitive evidence. More later -- I'm going to go now and put a similar comment on the Tim's talk page. John FitzGerald 14:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, Skeezix. I'm a little preoccupied this week, too (for one thing, income tax and GST return preparation has been neglected during my recovery), so a little delay won't hurt me. John FitzGerald 11:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Skeezix. It looks as if you and I are the only two interested in working on this section. It occurred to me it might be good for me to start by doing some research on how the term cultural icon is used. I think there's a chance you and I have different opinions about this section because we have different conceptions of cultural icons, so it might be an idea to see if we can find out if there's a generally accepted use of this term. Incidentally, I didn't mean to insult Pierre Berton. His columns in the Star influenced me greatly when I was young (I'm talking about long long ago here), and I still consider his journalism of the 50s and 60s to be some of the finest Canadian journalism. And his opinion about Tims is important, just not authoritative. John FitzGerald 23:21, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Evidence of Tim's iconic status
Now this seems like definite evidence of iconic status to me. John FitzGerald 12:54, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comments. Although the article no longer claims Tim's is an icon, if it is an icon the article would be better if it acknowledged this status. The problem with calling it a cultural fixture (my idea, I admit) is that any chain with thousands of outlets is obviously a cultural fixture. I think I'll see if I can find Pierre Berton's remark in context. There probably is some place for it in the article, but it needs some evidence to support it. I'm quite sure Mr. B would not have made this remark without having a good reason for it.


 * Another sign of Tim's iconic status might be the widespread belief that it serves good coffee, although I guess we'd need the results of taste tests and culinary competitions before we could assert that. That's half a feeble joke and half a serious comment. John FitzGerald 13:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I posted my final thoughts on this matter at Talk:Tim Hortons. Thanks for taking this issue seriously. The discussion has changed my views a bit. Now I'm off to see if I can find out anything more about that important cultural figure Scotty Holt (well, he's an important cultural figure to me). John FitzGerald 01:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)