User talk:Skrshawk

Leave messages for me here. I check this area pretty frequently, and if I don't, it means I'm not doing anything on the Wiki. Please place your entry under its own heading at the bottom of this page.

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 * You didn't leave it under a new heading like my page requests! Bah humbug!  (I've fixed it for you :P.)  skrshawk  (  Talk  |  Contribs  ) 16:13, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry i'm a little new at this. Katie Ewing 00:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Whoopsie...i meant 34... =D forgive me --Katie

Assistance with Notability
I am into art you could say, studied at CIA and I hold a MA. I heard about wikipedia and I was intrigued. Looking through the artists and painters, I noticed allot of people were listed and it seemed they had no careers. So I added myself, egotistical yes, but artists tend to have a big ego LOL. I have also decided to start adding other artists who have great careers and should be here. So how do you show notability? I was still working on the article before it got flagged. I haven't posted my awards yet, and the magazines articles about my work. I also haven’t started listing my public works projects. User:wer2chosen 9:40 am January 4, 2007 (MTN)


 * There are four guidelines that must be kept in mind when writing articles of this nature. The first is Wikipedia:Notability (people).  This goes into the details of what is generally considered to make a person notable in general.  There is no guideline specifically for artists (however there is for musicians, if it will help you get a better idea, linked off that page).  The second big area is Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons which all articles about a living person must adhere to, so take a look.  The third and fourth areas are Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Autobiography, which an article on yourself or personal colleagues may run into.  Hopefully these links will give you insight and direction on what you're trying to do (and keep you from running into more aggressive article patrollers - I realize some of us have itchy trigger fingers!)  skrshawk  (  Talk  |  Contribs  ) 15:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I cleared up the background information that would have been original content. I added ref tags on the bottom with the public references that people could get this information from. Does thsi make it acceptable? I am new to this. Thank you for your assistance. User:wer2chosen 11:40 am January 4, 2007 (MTN)


 * Having had works placed in galleries is a very weak claim to notability, however since art is a field that I do not know much about at all, I can not say if this is sufficient. Here's what I'm going to do.  I'm going to nominate the article for deletion with a suggestion to userfy (meaning move the content to your userpage), since I'm taking this discussion to mean that you contest the proposed deletion that exists.  This will allow more people to voice their opinion that have more knowledge than I do on the subject.  Again, I encourage you to read the guidelines I listed in my first response - they will help immensely as you work on this and similar articles.  skrshawk  (  Talk  |  Contribs  ) 17:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It is fine to delete it, but if you check my references I added. I am included in books listing well known artists. I sell 20-30 paintings a year. My work is collected in America, Thailand, Sweden. I have had three reviews of my work in American Artist and American Painters magazine. I have received honors in over 20 juried shows, including one in Paris, my work has been in over 50 galleries. One of my small watercolors sell for $1,500 an acrylic get 5k LOL User:wer2chosen 12:12 am January 4, 2007 (MTN)


 * Okay, the citations needed are the titles, authors/editors, and dates of publication of the books you mention. The shows where you have been juried (and placed, most importantly) must be cited and notable in their own right.  Not every art gallery is notable, and most private collections are not.  Sales of your work are completely unverifiable unless they are of a level where they would be a matter of public record, in which case we would likely not be having this discussion.  The AfD discussion will not close until consensus is reached, so you have time to improve the article, although as the Conflict of Interest guideline states, this work should be predominantly done by someone other than yourself.  skrshawk  (  Talk  |  Contribs  ) 17:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I added those, except for the dates maybe. I will have to get them from Amazon, but it is actually funnier if the page gets deleted. I was going to ask an editor I have worked with to see if this would make an interesting article. I have not listed numerous items, due to I need to verify dates and make sure that I have permission from the owners. I also just added it so that others could expound on it. You can go ahead and delete it, I just think it is hilarious that mine gets deleted and is verifiable and you have articles on painters who cannot make a living at art, and cannot get listed in the directories I have cited. You can walk into any art gallery and view the books listed. LOL User:wer2chosen 12:35 am January 4, 2007 (MTN)


 * I don't see any books listed (give me a moment to look at them), and no indication that the exhibitions you referenced were juried or if you received any awards from them. I don't mean to offend, but a rural county fair can have a juried show, but is not notable for Wikipedia purposes.  There is no problem listing a book if you have all of the pertinent information - permission is not needed to simply list the title, author, and date of publication.  Books published by a non-vanity press are generally considered notable, so that may very well bolster your claim.  However, I would really feel more comfortable to see others find things on you.  skrshawk  (  Talk  |  Contribs  ) 17:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * User:wer2chosen 1:412 pm January 4, 2007 (MTN)
 * index of artists]


 * Alley Highlights


 * I do not have the publish dates for the magazine articles and all the news articles. I asked the one person who keeps track of those things to get me the dates, my mother! LOL
 * You are right about juried shows, you would find the one in N.Y a pretty decent show by most standards. (LOL) Some of them have funny rules regarding using them in your promotion though. When you work with Galleries and do shows, they want to control those images and the resulst of those shows. That was why I originally listed only the smaller shows. I thought it would be better for the someone affiliated with the show to add those. The article had only been there a day and those in the art field are nto that speedy. This has been useful in learnign how to use wikipedia. It does seem arbitraty though, when you look through others that have articles.


 * User:wer2chosen 1:24 pm January 4, 2007 (MTN)
 * This is just the first few in the a's Brian Alfred What !! LOL
 * Leonid Afremov regional painter only, and I have been in the "Dilon" Art Gallery, Jaffo.
 * Lawrence Edgar Allen How is this not a fluff peice. The sources are from a local paper and the person's website LOL
 * Matthew Beall WHAT! How could this one get by you!
 * Jason Benjamin Regional artist, one award a few shows local only.
 * Thierry Bisch Another regional artists one client. Source is authors web presence. So technically it is not derivative. His book is a self published piece.


 * On a side note how do you get the timestamp to work? I have to manually type it. When I click teh time stamp button . I do nto see my name and time? Thank you for taking the time. There are some people who I feel should seriously be here. Barb Sargent and Mark Yasnchack for two. I added myself as a way to learn how to submit articles and such. What i am learning here will help me in the future.


 * I see your point about that list. I will seek out some help in cleaning that up - no one person can tackle that. I will be back later tonight, possibly with a small cabal if one can be summoned from the Village Pump. (I'm assuming this came from List of American artists?)


 * The timestamp works by placing four tildes at the end of your post. It looks like this - ~ .  Good luck!  skrshawk  (  Talk  |  Contribs  ) 19:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. The only reason I even added mine, was when I saw these in there. The one I struck out, actually is listed in the Index of Artists. Imagine that you have a chain of McDonalds and found out that wikipedia was full of fry-cooks, how would you feel. You would nto be upset if you saw the founder, CEO, and people with larger chains, but a fry-cook. LOL If you all want help, I can be of assistance. I found these --Wer2chosen 19:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks re Mankind Project Discussion
Just a quick note to say thanks for the many replies in this talk section. I'm sorry that you didn't have a good experience with MKP but am glad you did whatever you needed to do and became such a thoughtful editor! All the best in your many adventures on teh Interwebs... 8^) Rorybowman 06:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I wish everybody agreed with me right about now... some of my other threads going don't exactly concur with your assessment. Can't win them all... Cheers! skrshawk  (  Talk  |  Contribs  ) 15:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

League of Copyeditors participation drive!
Dear League member,

We've started a participation drive for the remainder of February. If you can, please help clear the backlog by adopting the following goals each week:
 * Select an article to copy-edit from the backlog. After your copy-edit, list the article in the articles ready for final proofread section.
 * Select a different article to proofread from the articles ready for final proofread section.

Thanks for your help! Rintrah 09:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Sheerness‎ FAC
Hi. I'm sorry to bother you, but as a LoCE member, I just wondered if you would be willing to have a look through the Sheerness‎ article. It is currently a Featured Article Candidate and needs a copy-edit for grammar by someone who hasn't yet seen it. Any other ways to improve the article would also be welcome. Thank you very much, if you can. Epbr123 17:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

League of Copyeditors roll call
Melon ‑ Bot  ( STOP! )  17:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)