User talk:Sky Divine

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S.H.E japanese claim
This is a rather interesting claim. Can you find a news source regarding the embargo or the site that had the original Japanese comments? While this is certainly an interesting tidbit, we on Wikipedia can't just put up unsourced rumours (otherwise we could put ANYTHING up), nor can we put stuff up that might be libelous. But of course, if you can find a source, we'll discuss it later. - Pandacomics 22:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, read the section labelled "Trials and Tribulations (2005)" under "Music Career". Cheers. - Pandacomics 03:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming you meant the time when they sang at the KMT rally. Do you have a paper article of it (or an online copy) so we can source it? - Pandacomics 17:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, Ma was the mayor at the time, and she said that she wanted to meet the mayor as one of her three wishes while she was in the hospital (the other two being Selina and Hebe's vase, and getting some of her singer pals to sing and dance for her). That doesn't necessarily mean strong support. However, we can say that Ma Ying-jeou visited her while in the hospital. Due to the Ella-specific nature of the information, though, it would be better off on Ella's page rather than the entire group's page. - Pandacomics 20:42, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

April 2007
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Taiwan and ROC
You have made changed of origins of certain bands/artists from Taiwan to ROC in the infobox, while the text mentions Taiwan as the origin. I don't care about the politics, but the article does not explain about the politics between China and Taiwan. If the city is in Taiwan, then why did you change it into ROC ? That's factual error in my point of view. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 20:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I just know that ROC is different than PRC, isnt' it? In that case, I will revert my reversion. BTW, I'm not an administrator. The text above is built-in defined in WP:TUSER. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 20:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

"I know you're not an admin, so don't act like one." -> is not WP:CIVIL. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 20:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That was my assumption and now it's been reverted back. It's WIKIPEDIA! &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 20:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

S.H.E -> Chinese vs. Taiwanese
I'm using Taiwanese because that's the region they're from. Similarly, if we're talking about Eason Chan, we're going to say he's from Hong Kong. It has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with which music industry they belong to. Sound cool? - Pandacomics 19:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Greenland
Re :
 * Greenland is basically a big island with inhabitable regions along the coasts (primarily tundra), with the interior covered by an icesheet which stretches down from the North Pole. Ground transportation is very limited, consequently most settlements tend to be rather isolated from one another. Most people travel by air or via dog sled. The people are mostly of Inuit heritage, and look surprisingly Asian. The scenery is very beautiful and I got a real kick out of hiking around the tundra. However, the sense of isolation is really there. Folks accustomed to living in a big city might find it hard to adjust. I stayed near Kangerlussuaq, just above the Arctic Circle. The town was mostly a bunch of prefab apartments built around the airfield. IIRC there was one major store to buy food and supplies (about the size of a convenience store in the States) and two smaller eateries, one a cafeteria at the airport and another one catering to scientific personnel at the staging area. Since I was there on NSF sponsored research, I flew in on an Air National Guard C-130. As far as I know that's the only way to get to Greenland from North America, though there was talk a while back about Air Greenland starting up flights from Baltimore. They do have connecting flights from Europe, Copenhagen I think. You might find the WikiTravel article useful. -Loren 21:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Reverting
To revert an article, click on the history tab at the top of the page. Then click a date to see a past version. Then click 'edit this page' at the top like you normally would, and when you save, it will save that version. For a full explanation, see Help:Reverting. ~ thesublime514  •  talk  •  sign  21:56, April 14, 2007 (UTC)

Re: China Country Infobox
To find the PRC template/infobox, search "Template:China-InfoBox" and then select the edit button. For a quick reference, here is the url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:China-InfoBox. Feel free to contact me about any future concerns. Count de Chagny 03:58, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I've also inserted the following message into the PRC page; the message can be seen when the edit button is selected: "Note: To edit the China-Infobox, search "Template: China-InfoBox" and select the edit button on that page. The infobox can also be reached via the url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:China-InfoBox." I hope that clarifies things for future editors. Count de Chagny 04:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Leehom's Origin
Hi. How come you added Taiwan/ROC as Leehom's origin? He was born and raised in the US. Seems pretty clear that he originated in the US. I could see adding it if he moved back and forth and lived in both countries a lot while growing up, but I don't believe that's the case. Penser 01:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)penser

I put on Republic of China because it is basically where his industry is. Although he was born and raised in US, he is mostly known by Asians, especially in Taiwan and Mainland China. Therefore, putting ROC in there seems legit to me as well because it does not confuse readers thinking "How come he's American and I never heard his songs before?" Sky Divine 02:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

His industry might be centered out of Taipei now, but that is different than the origin. Origin is where you came from ORIGINALLY. To give you an example: Damon Hollins might be better know in Japan because he plays for the Yomiuri Giants baseball team, but he's still an American, and that is his origin.

As for Wang, If someone reads the information on his page they won't be confused about why an American is popular in Mandarin-speaking places. They would discover that he learned to speak Mandarin, has Chinese/Taiwanese heritage and is smart and talented and has a look that appeals to many young women (and probably some young men).Penser 03:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC)penser

I haven't heard a response to my response to yours. How come you're adding the ROC flag without justification as to why it is relevant to ORIGIN. Penser 03:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)penser

Hi there
I noticed your post on User talk:Certified.Gangsta. In case you run into that user again, please have a look at Requests for arbitration/Certified.Gangsta-Ideogram, especially the evidence page, to see the extent and nature of his past activities.

As to your comment that he is Taiwanese - from what I can gather, he isn't actually. But he may have some Taiwanese ancestry, and likes to think he is Taiwanese, or at least, what he thinks "Taiwanese" means. --Sumple (Talk) 05:29, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * He's not Chinese. He said he was half Black (African American) and half Dutch, with some Taiwanese thrown in. --Sumple (Talk) 03:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Regarding your edits here, and here, vandalism is not allowed in Wikipedia, please stop constantly vandalizing pages, or you may be blocked. Thank you.--Jerrypp772000 00:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC) In no way was I vandalizing. You're a delusional TI-er that hates Chinese and China. Sky Divine 19:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * How is it not called vandalizing? You putted your own comment on another user's page. The second one, not so much, but it's still not a political article, so I wouldn't say vandalism this time.


 * Also, I have never said anywhere that I support TI or that I hate China.--Jerrypp772000 19:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the first diff link that Jerrypp772000 has provided and your comment on Jerrypp772000's behavior, it is called personal attack.

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Also, please be aware that inappropriate behavior by others does not legitimize one's own. Regards,  Vic  226 23:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all, I have never said that I hate China. The statement I putted might not be accurate for some people. But let me make it clear: The Taiwan there stands for the ROC as the common name, and China stands for the PRC as the common name also. I don't think that statement is biased, comparing to what you have on your userpage.--Jerrypp772000 19:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * And you know what, I'm only trying to do my best to contribute. I've noticed that you are a newer editor, and have tried helping you.--Jerrypp772000 19:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Republic of China
It is undisputed that the Republic of China is a sovereign country. Espeically in that TVBS field where it asks for country, we should put Republic of China. I agree with you. Taiwan alone is not appropriate. TingMing 21:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It may or may not be undisputed, and Taiwan alone may or may not be appropriate depending on the situation, but right now everything is such a huge mess that barely anybody know what exactly the main argument is anymore. This is not the first time we have this problematic debate. A public and centralized discussion (e.g. Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese) involving everyone who may be concerned about this issue is strongly required, instead of these clutters of interpersonal arguing and grudge fights all over the talk pages. You may or may not be a new Wikipedian for all I care, but what we need is a proper discussion in one single place. This may take a few weeks, months, or even years, but nothing will work out if we go about this independently and/or interpersonally.  Vic  226說 05:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You are entirely wrong. It is undisputed that the Republic of China is a sovereign country. No one, not even you are Communist China can take that away for now. Especially not you. It is not for you ordinary person to decide whether the ROC is a sovereign state or not. There is no point for having ordinary folk to discuss whether the ROC is a country or not. Because you guys have no authority to do that. The fact of the matter is the Republic of China governs Taiwan. And Taiwan is a Province of China, the Republic of China. TingMing 06:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Fact is relative. Some decides that ROC exists while others do not (i.e. PRC). I was not in any of these positions and don't care if ROC is a sovereign state; it's as if I care about politics at all. I was only trying to point out the root of this unending problem. I also have to point out that by saying "entirely wrong", along with your statement ("It is not for you ordinary person to decide whether the ROC is a sovereign state or not. There is no point for having ordinary folk to discuss whether the ROC is a country or not. Because you guys have no authority to do that"), you are not making a constructive discussion at all. I don't believe you are anywhere more authoritative to decide that, and it is not for you to decide whether a person should discuss about it or not. If we want to get this problem solved, we need more outside views as much as possible. I'm sorry, but your political POV cannot go all the way just for yourself. If you wish to achieve a consensus that is as much NPOV as possible, then you have to take into account of the POVs from PRC/TI/whoever that is against your political view.


 * The above message was not intended for you anyway, nor should this discussion about the existence ROC belong to Sky Divine's talk page. If you want to talk more about it, please go here. Thanks,  Vic  226說 03:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The Republic of China is an independent sovereign state
The Republic of China is an independent sovereign country founded by Dr. Sun Yat-sen in 1912 following the deposition of the Ching Dynasty. It is the oldest independent state in East Asia. TingMing 00:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not the oldest independent state in East Asia.--Jerrypp772000 00:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You are wrong Jerrypp772000 just like last time about Vatican. See Republic of China. Start reading the encyclopedia instead of deleting Republic of China and adding "Taiwan" all over the place. TingMing 01:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've read it like 5000 times. I'm not wrong, it's not the oldest independent state in East Asia. You're wrong.--Jerrypp772000 01:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Its the oldest surviving Republic thus meaning its the oldest independent state.TingMing 01:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Why are you guys fighting about this in here? This is not Talk:Republic of China. Find somewhere else to argue discuss peacefully please (no, that explicitly means you, TingMing). Vic 226說 03:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Vic226. I am absolutely appaled by your recent comments. This is absurd. You need to control yourself and not attack me. You are contradicting yourself telling me to assume good faith but meanwhile you are blowing your head off and going wild and attacking me like a mad animal. I am deeply hurt by your actions. TingMing 04:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Again, please redirect your anger toward anybody from Sky Divine's talk page. I don't think he would like some random people spamming his talk page like it's a common forum. Vic 226說 05:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

political affiliationos
S.H.E's political affiliations are not cited anywhere on news sources. We know they've participated in rallies, but that's just saying something along the lines of "Hey I sang at a concert sponsored by Coca-Cola, I must hate Pepsi." The Dixie Chicks are a different case because their political comments received substantial news coverage, as can be seen on the article. S.H.E's political comments went from being rumoured comments to the company denying such statements. The origin is necessary because then it helps us to know what part of the world they're from. - Pandacomics 05:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler
There was a huge, ridiculous debate about that, and the outcome was that plot sections will obviously have spoilers, that is their nature. Per Spoiler.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  22:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Leehom claims that he is Chinese?
"Leehom Wang claims himself as Chinese, therefore being a Chinese American. He wasn't even raised in Taiwan."

Sky Divine, where's your source for this controversial claim that he calls himself "Chinese"? Since he wasn't raised in either Taiwan or China, but the US, wouldn't the most obvious description be simply "American"? Penser 09:33, 29 May 2007 (UTC)penser

Traditional Chinese
A lot of reverting has occurred in the Template: Infobox China (PRC) page. I believe we need to reach a consensus soon about whether to include or exclude traditional Chinese from the page. One user stated that traditional is used in Hong Kong and Macau, and though they are not part of "mainland China", they are part of the PRC. Personally, I am not acquainted with this language issue, and I am fine with both including/excluding traditional (but maybe including would offer more depth?). So far, I've inserted some code to present both simplified and traditional on the page more aesthetically. I'm eager to hear your opinions. Count de Chagny 21:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

As I said before, I was previously unacquainted with this language issue, and I'm fine with your edits. My concerns are with anonymous IPs who continue to revert the page in a vandalism fashion (see today's edits). Count de Chagny 22:19, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

About Traditional Chinese
Hi there

I have been adding the Traditional Character of PRC from time to time but it got deleted by you time to time as well.Do you actually hate traditional character?

I want to point out one thing here which is really undisputable, yes, Mainland China mainly use Simplified Characters, but this passage is called the People's Republic of China, but not Mainland China. People's Republic of China includes the Mainland China, Hong Kong and Macau, while Hong Kong and Macau are actually using traditional characters, I think the traditional name of PRC are deserved to stay there.As you have pointed out, majority of people in Mainaldn China uses Simplified chinese, and tht's why I put the traditional character under the simplified one but not above.

I dunno why u are really keen on deleting it but I hv been trying to raise this problem in the Discussion page on PRC page, and the idea tht Traditional character should stay gained support.Wikipedia requires neutral editting, so even if u hate traditional character, it is a FACT that it has official status within PRC, So please, don't try to remove that again. Sakek2 09:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Sky Divine, I am actually just a newbie here so I don't really know how to edit and everything =(

Sorry for accusing you don't for hatred towards Traditional character. and thx for keeping tra. cha. in PRC page. I think the reason why ROC users aren't willing to put up simplified character is because they don't use simplified character in any of their territory, but HK and Macau use traditional character in PRC territory. Thanks anyway =)

Sakek2 09:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Your Removal of the TC from the infobox
Why shouldn't there be traditional chinese in the infobox? Nat Tang talk to me! 22:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Please answer here as to keep the discussion in one place. thanks. Nat Tang talk to me! 22:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi. This is because ROC editors say "Simplfied Chinese is not our language, blah blah blah, therefore we're not going to put it up there." OK then, PRC doesn't need Traditional either then.
 * Well, they're telling the truth, as Simplfied Chinese is not part of the ROC's official writing system, however, the PRC does use Traditional Chinese in its official document, especially in cases where it involves either HONG KONG or MACAU, which are undisputable territories of the People's Republic of China. Nat Tang talk to me! 00:02, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: 2008 Presidential Polling
I'm with you totally: Ma all the way. =) Huangj2 03:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

September 2007
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. You may not know that Wikipedia has a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Using different styles throughout the encyclopedia, as you did to Yo-Yo Ma, makes it harder to read. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. ''per WP:MOSBIO ethnicity should ~not~ be used in article headers. please do not continue doing so. cheers.'' emerson7 | Talk 02:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

What does an American look like?
"Does Ma Yo-Yo even look American if you didn't know his background?"

Sky Divine, were you serious with that title of your revision? I don't know if you're an American or not, but if not, please be aware that a basic concept of the United States is that one's status as an American is not based on one's racial appearance. Penser 02:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)penser

You're using what I said every time I edited and just pinpointed this one sentence. I very well know that to be an American, you think like an American. That's it. However, you're getting way too technical. Beyond technical. Super technical. If some random person starts reading his article and sees that he's an American, he might just have the perception of him being American. Let me ask you what the hell is wrong with putting Chinese-American? It's stupid to like saying you are what you are now, you must forget your past. Outrageous. Sky Divine 19:56, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

What would be the problem with someone reading the article and having "the perception of him being American"? He is American! Then you raise the red herring of Chinese-American. My comment to you was about equating a person's looks or "racial" appearance with his or her status as an American. Who ever said anything about forgetting one's past? The Yo-yo Ma article, for example, includes his history of being born in France, and raised in the US. It also describes information about his parents. That's his past. I certainly have no qualms with that. Penser 02:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)penser

Yo-Yo Ma
Hi. Please stop re-adding Chinese-American to the abovementioned article. Wikipedia has a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. per WP:MOSBIO: "Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability". The three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the 3RR. And you have been repeatedly warned. Thankyou. -- Chris B  •  talk  10:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, please stop adding "Chinese-American" to this article. This is vandalism at this point. --Tom 15:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

racist attack, POV pushing, vandalism
It has come to my attention that you are POV pushing a pro-China, anti-Taiwan agenda in a large scope of articles. If you keep engaging in such activities, you will not last very long on wikipedia. Also, don't ever go posting such racist attack on anybody's talkpage, especially not mine. Understand? This will get you banned. And don't ever post on my talkpage again, I won't tolerate it. Regards--Certified.Gangsta (talk) 09:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Use of ROC Flags
Hello there, It has come to my attention that you have added the ROC flag on articles of several Chinese singers. I'd like for you to be aware that the editors at WikiProject Modern Chinese music is on the consensus along the lines of Wikipedia's Manual of Style on flags. The reason we do not place flags to indicate birth or death places is because it "may imply an incorrect citizenship or nationality."

In addition, WP:CPOP uses the term "Taiwan" to indicate the Taiwanese music industry, not Taiwan as a state, which is why the word itself is not wikilinked. This is because people are more familiar with the fact that Taiwan is the publicly term used in describing the entertainment industry of the Republic of China.

Please address any concerns you may have at our project's discussion page. Thanks! Arsonal (talk) 00:23, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Civility
Hi, Sky. I have looked through your contributions and worry that there are very high percentage of edit warring, controversial naming changes (like Taiwan to ROC), even unnecessary personal attacks (like ). On the other hand there are very little of adding non-controversial material, unquestionable improvements, vandalism reversions, etc. If most of the good users will be fighting reversion disputes instead of developing the project, Wikipedia would not go anywhere. There will be always people who believe in Taiwan been independent or Taiwan been an inseparable part of China. Both are welcome to add attributed opinions and facts supporting their POV. The questions of naming should be fixed in one place in a way acceptable for the both parties. Meanwhile please concentrate on writing encyclopedia rather than the revert wars over naming issues. Alex Bakharev (talk) 09:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. . Please remove your trolling from CG's talk page as well as your user page. It's not in any way productive. --Onorem♠Dil 17:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Blocked
I see that after Onorem's warning, you did not remove your personal attacks from any of the venues he mentioned, but instead added another attack against Certified Gangsta to your userpage. You do not get to behave in such a way on the project. If you keep it up, you will soon be in serious trouble. Per Onorem's warning, you have been blocked for 12 hours. Please stick to constructive editing when you return. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text below. Bishonen | talk 16:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC).

I did look at his userpage when I considered the original request. However you may feel about it, users do have the freedom to make such statements on their userpages as long as they're not blatantly racist (I see that as being political more than anything else) or directed at specific editors (as yours was). Daniel Case (talk) 14:51, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Hanja in South Korea article
Please don't keep adding Hanja to the infobox without discussion; the fact that your edits have already been reverted three times should be saying something. At least one other editor has removed it because it's already in the introduction (diff). There is a discussion here about it; if you think the Hanja should be included, please discuss it there with your fellow editors, rather than simply reverting in the article. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 01:47, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

SPI investigation
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