User talk:Slazenger/Archives/2013/November

Bereavement
"Take Her Down" - Alex 1976-2007

Remember the Fallen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Remember our Fallen (talk • contribs) 01:16, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, This is Subrata Majumdar, Assistant Manager, Content Development, TutorVista, Pearson Education Service. The edits that i tried in our page is not vandalism and all i wanted is relevant materials of our page without actually making it look like advertisement as you have emphasized. Please allow me to put things straight so that our Company's history and their founder members details are there for everyone to see. If you want i could send you the soft copy of what i am planning to add in our page and you can verify all the details and let me know the changes you want in the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subrata2011 (talk • contribs) 03:42, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ - I have responded on your talk page in regards to this Subrata. Thanks for being willing to discuss the edits in question.  --Slazenger  (Contact Me) 05:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Derek Corrigan
-->Hi. Thanks for the clarification. This link provides full coverage the of the meetings in question. Can you not link to it and let readers decide? It's a primary source and you can hear the words from Derek Corrigan's mouth. There is nothing slanderous in Wikipedia's linking to that. Do those who object work for Corrigan? If so, that's not right. PS Are we talking about the Burnaby Citizens' Association page or the Derek Corrigan page? I'm a bit confused.
 * I was discussing Corrigan's page - I will take a look at the BCA's page as well to see if it requires similar attention. While the link to the recordings of the meeting is useful, it cannot be the basis of a controversy section like that in an article.  We would need at least one (and hopefully more than one) article from news sources and other sources before allowing a section like that.  WP:BLPPRIMARY explains the reasons why something like your link can't be used as the basis for the section in that article.   --Slazenger  (Contact Me) 18:22, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Huggle 3
Hey Slazenger! I am Petrb, one of core developers of Huggle, the antivandalism tool, which you are beta testing (according to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huggle/Members#Beta_testers). I am happy to announce that Huggle 3 is ready for some testing. You can read more about it at WP:Huggle/Huggle3_Beta. Please keep in mind that this is a development version and it is not ready for regular use. That means you must:


 * Watch your contribs - when anything happens you didn't want, fix it and report a bug
 * Frequently checkout source code and build latest version, we change it a lot

If you find any problem with a feature that is supposed to work perfectly, please let us know. Some features are not ready yet, it is listed in known problems on Huggle3 beta page, you don't need to report these - we know it! So, that's it. Have fun testing and please let us know about any problems, either using bugzilla @ http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ or. Please respond to my talk page, I am not going to watch your talk page. Thank you Petrb (talk) 10:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Slazenger  (Contact Me) 18:27, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

From Subatra2011
Hi, I have been trying to insert the new content but everytime i try doing this something or other crops up like edit is not proper and all and this time when tried doing this someone by the name Jns4eva has sent a warning that i will be blocked. Please do the needful. We want some content from old post to remain and add some new content as per the Company profile point of view as the old post has left out the names of the Co-Founders and i am also trying to edit the content so that it doesn't look like a marketing tool. Please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subrata2011 (talk •contribs) 06:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)


 * To Subatra2011, I replied to this on your talk page. To Slazenger, please view the page history and edits Subatra2011 has been making, which range from full page blanking to adding a list of non-notable employees.  Any questions please hit up my talk page!  Jns4eva (talk) 07:09, 14 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the heads-up, Jns4eva. --Slazenger  (Contact Me) 15:14, 14 November 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅ - --Slazenger  (Contact Me) 15:14, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Reference to Jns4eva I believe when we re-write a page that we have in Wikipedia we need to put things right and that is not vandalism. The TutorVista page that we have in wiki doesn't carry the kind of information we need to have as far the founder members are concerned. Whatever reason your reviewer has put across to you is nothing but justifying his/her action. Plain and simple, if i have to change and set things right in our page i do have to delete the content and put content anew. If you insist that the old content is more relevant and whatever i am adding is wrong then i will have a serious doubt about the reviewers knowledge of things or wiki's checking methods itself. All i wanted was to put the founder members details and their educational background (please go ahead and cross check the content once more and let me know if i am wrong). If putting Founding members details and their educational background is marketing then please do not mention the PM's and Presidents of countries you have in wiki or else that will also be construed as marketing. I am sorry i have a serious doubt the methodology you are using to cross check the veracity of information. What your reviewer did yesterday was plain and simple knee jerk reaction to changes. I may be from Management of this company but i will definitely won't want the tags that we have now in our page and besides who would know better than us about the founder members details, your reviewer? He/ she is just explaining things from his perspective and not from what we want in our page about founder members. By denying my submission of the changes that i want now and set things right you are in fact supporting half baked and concocted information that is there now in our wiki page. I belong to Pearson Education, a company known for setting things right and not distort as your reviewer has put across. Moreover, the manner in which the page is suppose to be edited is little cumbersome and that's the reason why i had to try so many times. may be its time you need to look into this as well. If a similar company page could mention their founder member's name, death anniversary and amount they accumulated and still considered as clean then what is wrong with my content? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subrata2011 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 15 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I have messaged Jns4eva to inform him of your response here on my talk page. They should respond soon, and I'll weigh in if need be. I'm happy to be the mediator.   --Slazenger  (Contact Me) 05:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Subrata2011, since you seemed to have ignored the message I left you on your talk page, let me respond here. First of all, I wasn't referring to your employees as being promotional, I was talking about your tone.  Things like "has made a name for itself through relentless hard work by the core Management team" and "The foresight of Mr Krishnan Ganesh who saw opportunity in the ever increasing need of quality tutors at the click of a button and at an affordable price has changed the online tutoring scenario forever" are written with buzz words that promote your company and are not neutrally written.  Second, I have to ask if your management staff are notable, which would warrant their inclusion in the article.  Do you have independent third party references that confirm that they are notable enough to be mentioned in the article?  I'm not arguing that your founder is notable as the article contained references about him.  However, are the rest of your staff truly notable enough for inclusion?


 * One thing I don't appreciate Subrata2011 is the fact that you are accusing me of having a "knee jerk reaction to changes" and "trying to justify my actions" when I'm merely asking you to conform to Wikipedia's rules and have . Like I mentioned on your talk page, I don't have a personal grudge against you and I think you could be a productive editor with the right tools.  However, you ARE breaking several of Wikipedia's rules (like not blanking articles, having a conflict of interest, violating the three revert rule, adding in non notable people to an article, etc) in the process of trying to edit the article, which is why I reverted your changes.  But it appears as though the edits aren't being made in bad faith, rather, it's simply the fact that you don't have a sufficient understanding of what is and isn't acceptable at Wikipedia.  This is because your main argument is the inclusion of your management in the article, which may not be notable enough for inclusion.  If you find enough verifiable references to prove their inclusion, great!  I would then revert my warning about adding in promotional content, apologize and bow out.  But if not, please understand that they may not be included in the article.


 * One suggestion, if I may, is that you use your sandbox (which is at the top by your username) to make any changes before copying the source to the article. Blanking a page, especially without explanation, is generally frowned upon and may constitute vandalism in certain cases.  Why not copy the article's source into your sandbox first and make the necessary changes there?  That way you can work on the article without anyone interfering, allow a third party to view it before it goes live (to check for a neutral point of view) and then copy the source to the article?  To Slazenger, I apologize for wrapping you up in the middle of this, but thank you for your patience.  Subrata2011, I hope that we can come to an understanding.  I apologize if my warnings have caused you to feel that I have a vendetta against you or that I'm trying to stop you from adding in information.  I'm merely asking you to edit while conforming to Wikipedia's rules.  Jns4eva (talk) 05:22, 15 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I forgot to mention that original research is not allowed at Wikipedia. If you can't find a third party source for the information you want added, you unfortunately can't add it to the article.  Jns4eva (talk) 06:26, 15 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm happy enough to have the discussion here, my talk page has gotten a little dusty as of late. Subrata2011 - After reading Jns4eva's response to your comments, is there anything we can clarify further?  --Slazenger  (Contact Me) 09:42, 15 November 2013 (UTC)


 * It seems as though Subrata2011 has unfortunately disappeared. Thank you for your assistance in mediating Slazenger, I appreciate it.  If he returns, I'll point him here to reply.  Again, I apologize you got wrapped up in the matter and I hope to see you around Wikipedia.  Jns4eva (talk) 01:00, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * My Pleasure. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you Jns4eva.  --Slazenger  (Contact Me) 07:44, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Subrata2011 has returned to editing the Tutorvista page so I have left him a message to return here. I hope this isn't too much of a bother.  Jns4eva (talk) 00:29, 29 November 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅ - --Slazenger <b style="font-size:9px;"> (Contact Me)</b> 07:44, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Huggle 3 beta is out - and we need more feedback!
Hey Slazenger, how are you? I am Petrb, one of huggle developers, and you are currently subscribed as a beta tester of huggle on meta Huggle/Members. You may not have noticed, but this week I released first beta precompiled installers for ubuntu and microsoft windows! Huggle/Huggle3_Beta has all the links you need. So if you can, please download it, test it and report all bugs that is really what we need now. Don't forgot that as it's just a beta it's unstable and there are some known issues. Be carefull! Thank you for helping us with huggle Petrb (talk) 16:25, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Vue
Hey Slazenger,

Do you live at The Vue on Apache? I live there and see this stuff go on everyday. The wiki page is very incorrect.

I am trying to save others from making the same mistake.

The complex is a scam, and should not be allowed to have a wiki page. --User talk:71.223.24.170


 * I'll respond on your talk page in regards to this. The article is very clearly inaccurate and written as an advertisement, but instead of putting degrading unsourced information in the article, it would be wiser to work to either improve the article and work to have it removed.  --Slazenger <b style="font-size:9px;"> (Contact Me)</b>

Unsourced...I live there and have seen it with my own eyes. Do you want to see my receipts of them charging me hidden fees? Do you want to see the Police reports of the events I have witnessed?

I have seen three drunk college kids fall off the balconies with my own eyes. One is still in a vegetable state on life support. The other two are dead.

I have photos of the management office having quotes on their whiteboard of "Make that money" with numerous dollar signs next to it.

I am simply trying to save other college kids looking for credible information. This place needs to be put on blast for the truth. Not what they try to sell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.223.24.170 (talk) 23:47, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

this seems to be the only way I can figure out how to talk to you. I appreciate you looking into this and rectifying the situation. I moved in last August 2011. I will link the news articles you can find online here. Actual Police reports, I am not really sure how to obtain those. I am just a college student.

http://www.azcentral.com/business/realestate/articles/2010/01/30/20100130asu-underage-drinking-arrests-CP.html

great quote from that article: " Records obtained by The Arizona Republic show that by Christmas Eve, police had been called to the building 244 times, nearly four times the number of calls to other high-end complexes populated largely by students along Apache Boulevard."

As for any press about the deaths. They do a good job of covering everything up and protecting their image as a desirable place to live. I will work on it for you though.

http://thedirty.com/2011/10/another-person-falls-off-a-tempe-balcony-at-arizona-state-university/

If you do not believe this to be a credible website, I can attest to what I witness on this night. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.223.24.170 (talk) 00:01, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

RE Derek Corrigan: Here's a link to several news articles http://www.burnabynow.com/search-results-7.6444?q=pit+bull Which ones will you accept? I think this controversy deserves to be mentioned, but of course I want it to meet Wikipedia's guidelines. Karen Middlefield (talk) 18:51, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

WadeDavison
Hi Slazenger. Can you look into the recent deletions and comments by WadeDavison? I thought we agreed on a reasonable solution for the Derek Corrigan page. Karen Middlefield (talk) 21:30, 19 November 2013 (UTC)