User talk:Slough Grammar Old Boy

May 2023
Hello, I'm Bobherry. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Slough Town F.C.—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks.  Bobherry  Talk   My Edits  21:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Not sure why you have corrected the mistake in the Slough Town. The ground was called Godolphin not Dolphin. I should know - I lived in Slough area the first 50 years of my life and went to Slough Gramma. If in doubt check the Old Paludians website Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 22:27, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have changed back text to the accurate version Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 22:41, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The problem is that, since anyone can edit Wikipedia, we get large numbers of people posting unreliable information. This can take many forms, ranging from deliberate vandalism to good faith editing based on misunderstandings or accepting information from unreliable sources. My search has found hundreds of web pages giving the name as "Dolphin" and just one giving it as "Godolphin". That one was on a caption to a photograph on the Old Paludians Association web site. From our point of view, it may be that all of the others were mistaken, but it may be that someone at the Old Paludians Association has made a mistake. Can you provide  any more reliable source for "Godolphin" than a caption on a photograph, and preferably a second source, not the same web site, which could well repeat the same mistake, if it is a mistake? JBW (talk) 09:52, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I lived there - went to the Stadium and saw the sign - the simple answer is no I don't have a reliable source on the internet, except the map of Slough, which has both Godolphin Recreation Grounds and Goldophin Road, (where the Stadium used to be located). The probability is that the incorrect information has simply been copied - the danger of open source stuff like wiki - GIGO. Please note that the Dolphin Inn/Hotel is nowhere near this area. My knowledge is correct - the map is sufficient proof.
 * Just for your info, there is nothing yet in the British Library pages on line for the correct era - I am currently researching matches played by Slough Town in its various guises (currently working in late Victorian era) 2A00:23C6:780:1201:8986:B16E:EB19:63B9 (talk) 10:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did with this edit to Slough Stadium. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism can result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Materialscientist (talk) 10:59, 9 May 2023 (UTC)


 * They are not vandalism - Bobherry is on the case already.
 * Transcript below
 * Hello, I'm Bobherry. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Slough Town F.C.—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Bobherry Talk My Edits 21:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * Not sure why you have corrected the mistake in the Slough Town. The ground was called Godolphin not Dolphin. I should know - I lived in Slough area the first 50 years of my life and went to Slough Gramma. If in doubt check the Old Paludians website Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 22:27, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * I have changed back text to the accurate version Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 22:41, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * The problem is that, since anyone can edit Wikipedia, we get large numbers of people posting unreliable information. This can take many forms, ranging from deliberate vandalism to good faith editing based on misunderstandings or accepting information from unreliable sources. My search has found hundreds of web pages giving the name as "Dolphin" and just one giving it as "Godolphin". That one was on a caption to a photograph on the Old Paludians Association web site. From our point of view, it may be that all of the others were mistaken, but it may be that someone at the Old Paludians Association has made a mistake. Can you provide any more reliable source for "Godolphin" than a caption on a photograph, and preferably a second source, not the same web site, which could well repeat the same mistake, if it is a mistake? JBW (talk) 09:52, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * I lived there - went to the Stadium and saw the sign - the simple answer is no I don't have a reliable source on the internet, except the map of Slough, which has both Godolphin Recreation Grounds and Goldophin Road, (where the Stadium used to be located). The probability is that the incorrect information has simply been copied - the danger of open source stuff like wiki - GIGO. Please note that the Dolphin Inn/Hotel is nowhere near this area. My knowledge is correct - the map is sufficient proof.
 * Just for your info, there is nothing yet in the British Library pages on line for the correct era - I am currently researching matches played by Slough Town in its various guises (currently working in late Victorian era) 2A00:23C6:780:1201:8986:B16E:EB19:63B9 (talk) 10:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC) Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 11:11, 9 May 2023 (UTC)


 * , with all due respect, I think you have done something here which you do all too often, namely rushing in with automated messages without putting in the necessary checking to make sure that you have read the situation correctly. I am sure that I don't need to explain to someone with your experience why use of Huggle needs to be done with care and checking, not just clicking the buttons, and yet time and time again I see you making inappropriate accusations of vandalism to new editors, and when I look at the surrounding entries in your editing history, I see strings of edits of yours done far more rapidly than would be possible if you were exercising due care. If you had read the existing messages on this page before posting your own, I doubt that you would have thought it was vandalism. My own opinion is that most likely Slough Grammar Old Boy knows what he is talking about, and is right. (It is very unfortunate that Wikipedia's success results in any misinformation which stays here for a significant time being very likely to get copied all over the internet.) Even if, however, you disagree with that assessment, and think that ⁹Slough Grammar Old Boy's editing is wrong, I can't see how anyone who has read his posts above can possibly think it's vandalism, rather than good faith but mistaken editing. I suggest that you consider either explaining what good reasons you had for thinking it was vandalism or else admitting that you were mistaken. JBW (talk) 15:01, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you - looks like he is a self-appointed class monitor, like Bobherry. I came across the error yesterday and thought it a good idea to do my first bit of helping wiki. Not sure if it's worth while, given the grief Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 15:26, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear Slough Grammar Old Boy, indeed, I should have handled that edit more carefully, my apologies. Unfortunately, we are overwhelmed with unsourced edits that violate our basic WP:OR or WP:NPOV policies. As a result, such mishaps do happen. Materialscientist (talk) 21:22, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Snowmanonahoe. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions&#32;to Slough Stadium have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Snowmanonahoe (talk) 21:34, 9 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Not another one - see below and kindly reverse the change
 * Hello, I'm Bobherry. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Slough Town F.C.—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Bobherry Talk My Edits 21:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * Not sure why you have corrected the mistake in the Slough Town. The ground was called Godolphin not Dolphin. I should know - I lived in Slough area the first 50 years of my life and went to Slough Gramma. If in doubt check the Old Paludians website Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 22:27, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * I have changed back text to the accurate version Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 22:41, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * The problem is that, since anyone can edit Wikipedia, we get large numbers of people posting unreliable information. This can take many forms, ranging from deliberate vandalism to good faith editing based on misunderstandings or accepting information from unreliable sources. My search has found hundreds of web pages giving the name as "Dolphin" and just one giving it as "Godolphin". That one was on a caption to a photograph on the Old Paludians Association web site. From our point of view, it may be that all of the others were mistaken, but it may be that someone at the Old Paludians Association has made a mistake. Can you provide any more reliable source for "Godolphin" than a caption on a photograph, and preferably a second source, not the same web site, which could well repeat the same mistake, if it is a mistake? JBW (talk) 09:52, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * I lived there - went to the Stadium and saw the sign - the simple answer is no I don't have a reliable source on the internet, except the map of Slough, which has both Godolphin Recreation Grounds and Goldophin Road, (where the Stadium used to be located). The probability is that the incorrect information has simply been copied - the danger of open source stuff like wiki - GIGO. Please note that the Dolphin Inn/Hotel is nowhere near this area. My knowledge is correct - the map is sufficient proof.
 * Just for your info, there is nothing yet in the British Library pages on line for the correct era - I am currently researching matches played by Slough Town in its various guises (currently working in late Victorian era) 2A00:23C6:780:1201:8986:B16E:EB19:63B9 (talk) 10:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did with this edit to Slough Stadium. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Repeated vandalism can result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Materialscientist (talk) 10:59, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * They are not vandalism - Bobherry is on the case already.
 * Transcript below
 * Hello, I'm Bobherry. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Slough Town F.C.—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Bobherry Talk My Edits 21:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * Not sure why you have corrected the mistake in the Slough Town. The ground was called Godolphin not Dolphin. I should know - I lived in Slough area the first 50 years of my life and went to Slough Gramma. If in doubt check the Old Paludians website Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 22:27, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * I have changed back text to the accurate version Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 22:41, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * The problem is that, since anyone can edit Wikipedia, we get large numbers of people posting unreliable information. This can take many forms, ranging from deliberate vandalism to good faith editing based on misunderstandings or accepting information from unreliable sources. My search has found hundreds of web pages giving the name as "Dolphin" and just one giving it as "Godolphin". That one was on a caption to a photograph on the Old Paludians Association web site. From our point of view, it may be that all of the others were mistaken, but it may be that someone at the Old Paludians Association has made a mistake. Can you provide any more reliable source for "Godolphin" than a caption on a photograph, and preferably a second source, not the same web site, which could well repeat the same mistake, if it is a mistake? JBW (talk) 09:52, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * I lived there - went to the Stadium and saw the sign - the simple answer is no I don't have a reliable source on the internet, except the map of Slough, which has both Godolphin Recreation Grounds and Goldophin Road, (where the Stadium used to be located). The probability is that the incorrect information has simply been copied - the danger of open source stuff like wiki - GIGO. Please note that the Dolphin Inn/Hotel is nowhere near this area. My knowledge is correct - the map is sufficient proof.
 * Just for your info, there is nothing yet in the British Library pages on line for the correct era - I am currently researching matches played by Slough Town in its various guises (currently working in late Victorian era) 2A00:23C6:780:1201:8986:B16E:EB19:63B9 (talk) 10:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC) Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 11:11, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * Materialscientist, with all due respect, I think you have done something here which you do all too often, namely rushing in with automated messages without putting in the necessary checking to make sure that you have read the situation correctly. I am sure that I don't need to explain to someone with your experience why use of Huggle needs to be done with care and checking, not just clicking the buttons, and yet time and time again I see you making inappropriate accusations of vandalism to new editors, and when I look at the surrounding entries in your editing history, I see strings of edits of yours done far more rapidly than would be possible if you were exercising due care. If you had read the existing messages on this page before posting your own, I doubt that you would have thought it was vandalism. My own opinion is that most likely Slough Grammar Old Boy knows what he is talking about, and is right. (It is very unfortunate that Wikipedia's success results in any misinformation which stays here for a significant time being very likely to get copied all over the internet.) Even if, however, you disagree with that assessment, and think that ⁹Slough Grammar Old Boy's editing is wrong, I can't see how anyone who has read his posts above can possibly think it's vandalism, rather than good faith but mistaken editing. I suggest that you consider either explaining what good reasons you had for thinking it was vandalism or else admitting that you were mistaken. JBW (talk) 15:01, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * Thank you - looks like he is a self-appointed class monitor, like Bobherry. I came across the error yesterday and thought it a good idea to do my first bit of helping wiki. Not sure if it's worth while, given the grief Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 15:26, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 * Dear Slough Grammar Old Boy, indeed, I should have handled that edit more carefully, my apologies. Unfortunately, we are overwhelmed with unsourced edits that violate our basic WP:OR or WP:NPOV policies. As a result, such mishaps do happen. Materialscientist (talk) 21:22, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply] Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 21:37, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Slough Grammar, looking into this closer, I think I'm inclined to disagree. There are simply too many places online that call it the dolphin stadium, although I also can find evidence that many places in the area were called Godolphin. The site you sent is a wordpress blog. I will look into this further later today. For now I have kept Godolphin but tagged it as disputed. Snowmanonahoe (talk) 22:13, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Show me one in the local newspapers or British Library source that disagrees with me. The entrance was on Godolphin Road, not Dolphin Road. The Old Paludians reference is the old boys from Slough Grammar (and other schools one of which is called Godolphin) the picture reference you will find is contemporaneous with the name Goldolphin - bet you won't find one similar reference. Some of the confusion undoubtedly comes from the fact that there is a Dolphin Road in Slough as well, plus Dolphin Hotel/Inn. Whomsoever wrote the articles could not have lived there. Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 22:25, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

When I wrote my comments above I was editing on my phone, which makes it very awkward to try to do all the checking and comparing of different sources necessary in a case like this. I have now investigated using a computer, which has enabled me to check much more thoroughly. Not only is there an overwhelming numerical majority of sources guving the name as "Dolphin" (over 1000 Google hits versus 1) but the character and nature of many of those sources is different. There are sources from many different backgrounds, many of them referencing as their own sources documents from long before the name "Dolphin Stadium" was added to the Wikipedia article in 2007. Some of them quote from contemporary documents such as newspaper articles. It is very difficult to imagine so many people all independently making the same mistake in quoting or paraphrasing from different siurces from different times, and all we have to balance against that is one blog like source, and the personal memory of one person. The picture you refer to may be "contemporaneous" with the stadium, but the posting of that picture together with a statement that it was at the "Godolphin" stadium is not: it has been done many years later, and people do misremember things, being utterly convinced that they correctly remember things which can be objectively proved to be wrong; I have done so myself. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find an impeccably reliable source to support either version, such as an actual copy of a contemporary newspaper, but the overwhelming majority of the sources, including all of the sources which could be regarded as anywhere near to reliable, support "Dolphin". With the best will in the world, nobody can seriously take one blog post together with the personal memory of one person who has chosen to create a Wikipedia account, as coming anywhere near to outweighing the substantial body of evidence for "Dolphin". At present there are only reasonable options: to take the view that there is such an overwhelming predominance of evidence favouring "Dolphin" that we should retain that name, or to take the view that no reliable source has been provided for either name, and, since it has been disputed, we should leave both out of the article unless and until a reliable source is found. , what do you think? JBW (talk) 10:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately the Slough Observer local newspaper is not online in British Library. I have contacted them to find out if there is an archive of their paper for the correct era. I have searched Google and British Library too. None of the references referring to either are definitive. I would give extra weight to the photo on Old Paludians as they are Slough born and bred in the main just like me and the person posting the photo is actually in it. So that is 2 people with the same memory, not 1. Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 10:46, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

I am now 100% confident it was called Dolphin stadium. I have found an online archive of the Slough, Eton and Windsor Observer, which calls it the Dolphin stadium at multiple places, and never the Godolphin Stadium. I have not, however, ruled out the possibility of the stadium not also having a third name, being Godolphin Stadium. Note that I found archives of the Slough, Eton, and Windsor Observer. This is the Slough Observer, it is a different newspaper. Snowmanonahoe (talk) 14:48, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I almost wish you were right and my memory was wrong. It appears you are right up to 1936 - I further searched Slough Town FC following your link. Sporting Slough http://www.sloughhistoryonline.org.uk/ixbin/hixclient.exe?a=query&p=slough&f=generic_theme.htm&_IXFIRST_=1&_IXMAXHITS_=1&%3Dtheme_record_id=sl-sl-greyhoundstadium&s=v89rB8dTnXu
 * "The Greyhound Racing Track was opened by George Bennett in 1928. At the time it was thought that this was only the second greyhound racing track in Europe, the first being in Manchester. The opening night was Saturday May 26th, 1928, and attracted a crowd of over 1,000 people. The 'hare' had been brought over from Cologne, and worked perfectly, with one exception - when a power failure allowed the dogs to catch it.
 * The key part is next........
 * In 1936 the track was bought by New Clapton Stadium Co. Ltd, who renamed it Slough Greyhound Stadium.
 * For many years the Greyhound Stadium was also the home of Slough Town Football Club, until they moved to Wexham Park in 1974.
 * My suspicion is that Slough Town FC called it Godolphin Stadium and not Slough Greyhound Stadium.
 * Certainly seems it was not Dolphin after 1936.
 * You may think it's all over by the final whistle has not blown. Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 15:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I'm following you. Where did you get the conclusion that Slough Town FC called it Godolphin Stadium from? Snowmanonahoe (talk) 15:33, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That was not a conclusion, but a supposition, given that 2 people who have not spoken in 50 years both refer to it as Goldolphin and it was renamed in 1936. Perhaps you do not follow that it was not Dolphin after 1936, but officially Slough Greyhound Stadium. Find me something that refers to it as Dolphin in 1960s up to 1973 then I will concede. I have communicated with Old Paludians and Slough Observer and waiting for replies. I will of course let you know and I thank you for trying. Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 15:49, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I do not think the stadium having been called Dolphin and Godolphin are mutually exclusive. As I said before, I have not ruled out the stadium also having been called Godolphin. Snowmanonahoe (talk) 16:52, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Further info - I officially give up. I have found Slough Football programmes that refer to it as Slough Stadium, one in early 60s that says Dolphin, even though we know it wasn't called that. It really does look like the ground was referred to almost everything but its proper name which was Slough Greyhound Stadium from 1936 until it was developed in the 80s Slough Grammar Old Boy (talk) 17:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)