User talk:Slp1/Archive 2

RFC
So, my new year's resolution is not to waste anymore time arguing with Suemcp. I have worked up a request for comment/user conduct on a subpage User:Dina/subpage2. Please feel free to edit or comment. I won't put it up unless you agree to certify the dispute (there have to be two editors having the same dispute with the same user) so let me know if you don't feel its gone that far yet. Cheers. Dina 17:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Requests for comment/Suemcp

 * sigh*. I don't envy that mediator...Anyway, the basic idea of an RFC is at least two editors need to demonstrate that they've tried to resolve the issues with the editor and failed. I have listed some examples, including some of your attempts.  If you agree with what I've said "certify" the dispute by adding your name.  If you disagree or have something to add, just add bits to what I've said, or let me know and I'll do it.  It shouldn't be that ugly, though I'm not a huge fan of this kind of thing...for a while I really thought we had gotten through...Dina 19:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I put it up officially. I've done some formatting (making it a bit cleaner.) It's at Requests for comment/Suemcp.  Dina 19:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI when you're happy with it, sign your name under "Users certifying the basis for this dispute". Cheers. Dina 20:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't feel too bad, an RFC isn't a binding arbitration. It's not going to get her banned or blocked indef (which would be too extreme in my view.)  The way I look at it is, we tried very hard and failed to get her to understand why she couldn't keep doing what she was doing.  The RfC is an oppurtunity for other editors to take a shot at explaining why her editing violates policies.  I came into this dispute to try and help resolve it -- this RfC is, to me, an admission of failure.  It's clear that anyone who steps onto those talk pages are only going to be accused of bias.  Her mediation case seems, to me, a sign that she wants some kind of "outside" interaction.  This is the way it's done.  The only troubling part is that her tendency to rant isn't going to serve her well on the RfC.  However, that is sort of why we're here.  I think we both want her to understand -- I've just given up sooner...Dina 22:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You're a much nicer person than me...;) Now I feel a bit bad about the whole thing (I've just been so frustrated) so I suggested the Association of Member's Advocates for her to consult on her talk page. Dina 22:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I doubt I would've become involved in this article at all if you weren't making a concerted effort to get it up to speed. Good work - it's shaping up nicely now, as is the Marc Lepine article. It could become featured at some point, although it might be too grisly for the main page. Bobanny 20:29, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Ecole Poly-nightmare
Is it the guy who's review of her article she wanted to quote? I thought that the initials might match, but then found myself too weary of this debate to comb over the all caps arguments to find it. This has got to come to some kind of end this week, its giving me a headache...;) Dina 18:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

On a happier note
I did my first french to english translation! (with help from a friend). It was pretty straightforward. I love if you'd look it over (the original french article is the first in the edit history) and edit mercilessly! Cité de la musique. Cheers Dina 23:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

A quick French question
How would you translate the following bit: "En 1678, il visite l'Italie et juge que "les jardins ne s'approchent pas de ceux de son pays"." I have "In 1678, he visited Italy and judged the "gardens that approached his country."", which in addition to being very clunky english, I suspect is not the real meaning. Should it be: the gardens that did not approach his country? It still doesn't make sense. I fear it's idiomatic and I am out of my league... Thanks! Dina 14:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I was misled by the word juge -- I thought it was some kind of official contest or something.  I find that my high school French and the occasional Babelfish check make these translations not that hard.  Russian is my first love, but there is not much on the Russian wikipedia that isn't already here.   (I am spending my coffee break translating...;) Dina 14:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

IPA rendering of Nicola (chief)
Just saw your addition of the IPA to the opening of Nicola (chief). We must be familiar with different pronunciations of Nicolas in French; the one I'm famliar with, which is the one I was referring to when I said "as pronounced in French", is more like Nico-LA, i.e. with the accent on the last syllable, not the second; maybe that's wrong entirely as far as French goes, but it's what was meant. The English pronunciation of "Nicola" by the way has the accent on the first syllable - NIK-ola, whatever that is in IPA. The other IPA needed on this page is the rendering of the Spokan, Okanagan and Shuswap names, as what's given are the source's 19th Century spellings (J. Teit), and not modern orthography for any of those languages, and modern orthography and IPA are also two different things; hopefully a Salishan language scholar might stop by and make those IPA renderings as well. In the meantime can you please correct "nɪkəʊ'lɑ" to place the accent on the last syllable; and drop the French reference altogether if that's not the way "Nicolas" is properly pronounced in French; it may be correct in Metis French, which was the dialect endemic to the fur trade, but I don't know exactly; all I know is that the name was given to him by French speakers, and a "corrupted" form of it is standard in English - and Nk'wala is now standard in the three native languages whose history this chief is a part of (I think with the accent the same way as in the English form - on the "Nk' ".Skookum1 23:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation of the accent thing in IPA; I wouldn't have guessed. As for Hwistesmexqe'ten and Pelkamulox, I have to find an Okanagan speaker to even begin how to pronounce them right; I can handle basic Salishan language sounds but I don't have an "authentic" accent, nor am a linguist.  BC history/ethnology is full of "crunchy" placenames and personal names, and the old languages have varying spelling systems between what linguists and ethnographers prefer, and what the peoples themselves arrive at; I'll replace the IPAconvert tag for sure ;-)  BTW I'm planning over time to catalogue/biograph many of the French and Metis in early BC's history (mostly HBC employees); IPA rendering for some names might be a good thing so I'll let you know; otherwise they might just prove interesting reading....l'histoire de la francophonie transmontane n'est pas entendue beaucoup a la Quebec, je crois... (for a BCer I speak French pretty good, by gum!  Written grammar's probably awful but I can make sense; although apparently I sound like I'm from Toulouse....)Skookum1 06:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

check the help desk again
I'm a little late in answering you there, but I do have a solution. Give me a knock at my talk page after you upload it, and I'll double-check it to make sure everything's done right. — coe l acan t a lk  — 07:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's spot on. I added a direct link to the file itself, just in case the layout of that site gets shuffled around. Go ahead and use the photo in the article. — coe l acan t a lk  — 02:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You're quite welcome. We need more people uploading good images; there are so many articles still without. If that had been a verifiably public domain image, you could have uploaded it at the, which is a single media repository that all the various language Wikipedias can use. Sometimes you may already find a photo you need there, and if you ever come across public domain or freely-licensed images, it's best to put them there for everyone. You need a separate account there (same username and password is fine), but if you just want to pull images from the Commons into a Wikipedia article, here's how it's done. Here's an image on the commons: and if I want to use it in Wikipedia I can use the filename exactly the way I would if it were already on Wikipedia. Example in the Sandbox:  There's no need to "import" it; the software handles that automatically. Try searching at the  for photos; there's also audio and documents and (I think) some videos. That might be useful to you; if not now, probably later. Have a good day, — coe l acan  t a lk  — 03:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

thanks for your comments on my page
Hi Slp1, thanks for your very kind comments on my talk page. I hope my break will be as short as possible. To be honest I'm a little shaken by this argument - but not surprised. I feel it best to give admins the floor in this case. BTW well done for your edits on Save Indian Family article - I think you could try nominating it for GA status now. I really hope the Indian editors approve of it - it is appropriately historical and concise for an article about a contemporary socio-political movement/campaign : )--Cailil 12:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Robert Latimer
Thank you for your kind words on Talk:Robert Latimer. Rosemary Amey 18:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Fathers' Rights
Hi Slp1,

Thank you for all of your help and thank you for improving the style of the link. If you wish to move the information within the article, please feel free.

I prefer the information in the Child Custody section, because I believe that these voting results would not be specific to Massachusetts or even the US, just as the results were not specific to any particular locality within Massachusetts.

The 2006 Shared Parenting ballot initiative in North Dakota was not non-binding. This ballot initiative, which interestingly enough was not included in reports by the Associated Press, was defeated in part as a result of TV advertising by the North Dakota Bar Association.

Best Wishes,

Michael H 34 14:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Michael H 34

Thanks for the correction. I misremembered something that I read.

Michael H 34 23:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC) Michael H 34

I think that you did a very good job on the proposed section on Shared Parenting.

Michael H 34 00:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC) Michael H 34

Hi Slp1,

I didn't intend to hide my edits. I was logged in on one window and didn't remember to log in on another window.

I just realized yesterday how to add comments. I need to keep the good habit of adding comments. I'll note that Michael H 34 made the prior edits in my next comment.

Michael H 34 16:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC) Michael H 34

Yes, I'll try to find the time. I tried to add information about the citation that you questioned. Not sure how this will work when citations are referenced multiple times.

Michael H 34 23:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC) Best wishes, Michael H 34

Yes, I will find the page numbers and add them to the discussion page. Best wishes, Michael H 34 02:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC) Michael H 34

I started added citation info. Please let me know if anything is incomplete or improper. Thank you, Michael H 34 04:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC) Michael H 34

Thanks re: Jjean3
Merci. He didn't respond well but he hasn't done anything since. Thanks again. --Ronz 17:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Deja Vu
Yeah, I probably spent about that much time making the report. The process seems designed to discourage reporting, which is both understandable and aggravating. Bobanny 19:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Links
Sorry about the link issues. Didn't know they were considered spam. The links contained info of what courses a program would offer. I could see why it could be considered inappropriate. Thanks for telling me. defenderck 16:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Ecole Poly Massacre article
I've been distracted by other things, so it's been a while since I took a spin through that article. What great work you guys have done! And I love the interior photo, it really gives a feel for the place. I am in the process of giving it a close read, might leave some comments on the talk page, but it seems really impressive so far. Cheers Dina 19:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know, sometimes people can be rough. But I think the article is great, and it covers difficult subject matter and there should be more featured articles that do that, so, take a deep breath!  You'll be fine ;).  I went through an WP:RFA and there people get to talk about you, which is a bit harder...;) Dina 01:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

laurie Dann
I responded to your question on my talk page; I can also provide you with a copy of the full article if you want. csloat 01:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Marc Lépine
Just letting you know it's officially and Good Article now. Great work! --Wafulz 04:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Why do you allow yourself to remove other people's edits, instead of improving them?
Why would you remove material when you are first charged with improving material?

If you believe material is unsourced or original research, why not state {cite} and discuss this on the discussion page.

Don't you believe in good faith by other editors?

In fact, I cited the actual APA memo that states their position is "no official position". And I referenced their website that sells books on PAS and workshops on PAS. All of this is factual, linkable, and points to a non-POV conclusion that the APA does not say there is no such thing as APA, and that they have no official position.

More cites here: http://www.ifeminists.net/introduction/editorials/2005/1109rosenthal.html

http://www.fathersunite.org/Letters%20and%20Articles/Freedom%20from%20Standards.html

From Gardner: The Issue of PAS in DSM-V

The parental alienation syndrome is not listed in The American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV). Critics of PAS are quick to point this out and consider its absence to support arguments that PAS does not exist. The facts are that DSM-IV was published in 1994. When committees were meeting in the early 1990s, there were too few articles in peer-review journals, and too few rulings in courts of law that had recognized PAS, to warrant a submission. Accordingly, I did not submit a proposal at that time. Nor, to the best of my knowledge, did anyone else.

DSM-V committees are scheduled to start meetings in 2006, and the projected date of publication of DSM-V is 2010. The DSM-V program coordinator at the American Psychiatric Association has informed me that a PAS file has been set up. This, of course, is good news in that it indicates that the APA is taking PAS seriously.

In short, the material I added was accurate and not original research. It could have used a cleanup, that would have been an appropriate action for you to take.

It is frustrating to add to the wikipedia in good faith and have someone remove the edits without any discussion. I find your actions lazy and ask you to stop and first a) assume good faith, and b) discuss your removals on the discussion page before acting on them.

I ask you to restore my material and clean it up as you may desire.

thank you,

130.76.64.14 20:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

laurie dann article
Here's the article from the ProQuest database:

SCHOOL KILLER LEFT A TRAIL OF POISON FRATERNITIES, HOMES RECEIVE TAINTED FOOD; [FINAL EDITION, C] Ray Gibson and Linnet Myers Wes Smith, Terry Wilson, Maria Hunt, Robert Enstad, Ray Gibson, Peter Kendall and Steve Johnson contributed to this report. Chicago Tribune (pre-1997 Fulltext). Chicago, Ill.: May 22, 1988. pg. 1

Author(s):	Ray Gibson and Linnet Myers Wes Smith, Terry Wilson, Maria Hunt, Robert Enstad, Ray Gibson, Peter Kendall and Steve Johnson contributed to this report Section:	NEWS Publication title:	Chicago Tribune (pre-1997 Fulltext). Chicago, Ill.: May 22, 1988. pg. 1 Source type:	Newspaper ISSN:	10856706 ProQuest document ID:	24779813 Text Word Count	1336 Document URL: http://proquest.umi.com/pqdweb?did=24779813&sid=1&Fmt=3&clientId=17859&RQT=309 &VName=PQD

Abstract (Document Summary)

Before she began her bloody shooting spree at a Winnetka grammar school, Laurie Dann tried to deliver death up and down the North Shore in the form of tainted food and beverage, police said Saturday.

Crime labs were testing suspicious food packages that Dann left at two Northwestern University fraternities, a graduate school building and several North Shore homes, police said.

Winnetka Police Chief Herbert Timm said that the packages show that Dann was bent on committing murder Friday even before she opened fire on a class of helpless schoolchildren at the Hubbard Woods Elementary School, 1110 Chatfield Rd. Full Text (1336  words) Copyright Chicago Tribune Co. May 22, 1988

Before she began her bloody shooting spree at a Winnetka grammar school, Laurie Dann tried to deliver death up and down the North Shore in the form of tainted food and beverage, police said Saturday.

Crime labs were testing suspicious food packages that Dann left at two Northwestern University fraternities, a graduate school building and several North Shore homes, police said.

Evanston police said some of the food left at the university was laced with arsenic, and at least nine people, including two children, were checked for signs of poisoning.

A doctor in Ann Arbor, Mich., told a Northwestern University track star who had sampled snacks delivered to his fraternity house that he suspected he would find traces of arsenic, but test results were not final late Saturday.

Police said that many of those who received the mysterious gifts were named on a list found in Dann's apartment in Madison, Wis. Police said a syringe that could have been used to inject the foods with contaminants was found at her parents' Glencoe home.

Winnetka Police Chief Herbert Timm said that the packages show that Dann was bent on committing murder Friday even before she opened fire on a class of helpless schoolchildren at the Hubbard Woods Elementary School, 1110 Chatfield Rd.

An 8-year-old boy, Nicholas Corwin, was killed, and six other people were shot by Dann before she killed herself Friday.

Dann's plot for death and violence apparently was formed long before she walked into the school, armed with three handguns, Timm said. "This was not a situation that was spontaneous," he said. "It obviously took some planning and some time." She apparently visited more than a dozen locations Friday morning, Timm said.

At first glance, Dann's biography might not suggest a tendency to violence. Raised on the North Shore, the daughter of a wealthy family and a graduate of New Trier East High School, she attended the University of Arizona before returning to take a job at an insurance agency-and marrying the boss's son.

Closer inspection reveals, however, that Dann had a history of making threatening telephone calls; that neighbors in her Wisconsin apartment building said she rode up and down in elevators for hours; and that her former husband suspected that she had sneaked into his apartment and stabbed him with an ice pick.

Friday, her bizarre behavior turned violent. Police said she set at least one fire, was turned away from a day-care center while carrying a gasoline can, and then went to a home in Winnetka where she was a regular baby-sitter.

Shortly after 10 a.m., Winnetka firefighters were called to that home, at 1250 Forest Glen Dr. South. Dann had set a fire there, but the children and their mother managed to escape.

During her rounds of the affluent northern surburbs, Dann left packages on porches or stuffed them in mailboxes, Timm said. They contained cereal treats, popcorn and pouches of orange drink.

Greg McCullough, a member of Alpha Tau Omega fraternity, ate a cereal treat from a paper plate left on the fraternity's porch early Friday, fraternity members said.

"To the ATOs, from your little sisters," said a note attached to the package. On Saturday, McCullough was called away from a Big Ten track meet to get emergency tests, said Bruce Madej, the university's sports information director.

At the Psi Upsilon house, a similar package was left with the note "Enjoy, from your little sisters," fraternity members there said.

Next to the snacks was a plastic chemical bottle that said 'arsenic.' When they found the packages Friday morning, "We thought it was a joke," said Chuck Friedman, a member there.

But calls from a former member warned them that it wasn't. The name of the former member, Scott Freidheim, was on the list that police in Madison found in Dann's apartment after learning of the shooting spree.

Freidheim, who lives in Winnetka, received his own package Friday.

"My mom picked it up from the front step," said Freidheim, 22. "She said, 'Too bad, it looks as though the birds ate it.' "

On Saturday morning, the family got a call from the FBI, which was contacting the people on the list to warn them of possible trouble. Freidheim immediately called an old friend at the fraternity house.

"He said, 'You know what? We got one, too,' " Freidheim said. "I said, 'Listen, put it in a corner and call the DPS (the university's Department of Public Safety) right away. She may have done it to other fraternities, too.' "

Dann had been connected with the university. During the summer of 1987, she subleased a university apartment at 1725 Orrington Ave., Evanston, said Kenneth Wildes, director of university relations.

But within 2 1/2 months, university police had received four complaints from residents there. Dann was harassing them-leaving raw meat to spoil under the cushions of neighbors' chairs and placing junk in their mailboxes, Wildes said. She was also a suspect in some thefts there.

Officials sought out her father, Norman Wasserman, and he persuaded her to leave the building. The apartment was used to house graduate students at the Kellogg Graduate School of Management-and that school's headquarters also received a mysterious package of cereal cookies Friday, university spokesmen said.

Those incidents weren't the only ones that Dann had been involved in. Others who knew her-particularly those who were friends with her former husband-reported harassing and threatening phone calls from Dann.

Deerfield police reported three such complaints from onetime friends of Dann, who had lost contact with her after her divorce-and that loss of contact apparently upset her, said Sgt. David Turnbaugh. Some of the calls, which began in 1986 and continued through this year, were traced to Dann's home.

In one case, the caller said that the victim of the harassment "is going to die," according to a police report.

Over the last year and a half, at least three separate suburban police departments received complaints from several families because of similar, repeated calls from Dann, sources said. The other two departments are Highland Park and Glencoe.

It seems remarkable to people who knew her that this deeply troubled woman was not intercepted by someone on her path to self-destruction over the last 10 years.

Those whose lives intersected Dann's along the way-in Tucson, in Madison, Wis., and elsewhere-were left to ponder what might have happened had she snapped and struck at them instead.

"This woman has a tremendous history of mental problems," said Lou Spivack, deputy attorney of Pima County, Ariz.

Spivack knew Dann when they were students at the University of Arizona in the late 1970s. He double-dated with her and her boyfriend, who is now a doctor in Tucson.

The memories of those days remain vivid, Spivack said, because the doctor had asked for his help in stopping threatening telephone calls he received from Dann off and on since 1985, long after they had broken off their relationship.

Dann returned to her family's home in Glencoe after leaving Arizona. She began working as a receptionist at the Dann Brothers Insurance Co. in Northbrook in May, 1979, and three years later, on Sept. 11, 1982, she married Russell "Rusty" Dann, the son of one of the owners.

They were living in a $275,000 home at 367 Hastings Ave. in Highland Park when they separated in November, 1985. She filed for divorce in 1986, citing "irreconcilable differences."

In the fall of 1986, while the couple were separated, an intruder slipped into an apartment where Russell Dann was living in Highland Park and stabbed him in the chest with an ice pick as he slept. The ice pick punctured a lung.

Dann told police he did not see the intruder. He suspected his estranged wife. No charges were filed.

CAPTION:

PHOTO: Nicholas Corwin, killed at age 8 in his 2d-grade classroom.

PHOTO: (color) Tribune photo by Michael Fryer. Parents and pupils line up and wait Saturday morning for counseling meetings to begin at Hubbard Woods Elementary School in Winnetka. [Illustration] PHOTOS 2

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Speedy Deletions
Thanks. I'm just new to this AFD/Cracking down on vandalism stuff. I'll check/make sure from now on. Stormtracker94 21:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

FA
Enfin! Good work, have some cookies. bobanny 05:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Whooohoo! Great work.  Dina 23:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

laurie dann
Keep me posted what you learn when you get the books. I was in Evanston at the time of the murders so I remembered the coverage (and specifically the "from your little sisters" note) well, and have been interested in it ever since. csloat 03:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Discussion on User talk:Ramseym
For the record, the article on VML, Inc. does exist--the provided link was simply a bad one. -- Finngall talk  22:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so the VML entry was bad example and is being deleted? That is what I based my entry off of. I will revise my entry to follow an encyclopedia format.Ramseym 22:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Marc Lépine
Hey, it looks like the original French suicide letter was deleted off of the French Wikisource. Here's the log. Would you be able to look into it? My French is fairly substandard. --Wafulz 17:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for keeping track of this and seeking to have it sorted out. I suspect you have other languages that are not substandard! I tried to look into the problem earlier after your message on the talkpage, but your link to the the log helped a lot.    Judging by the deletion discussion here  there were doubts about whether the letter was in the public domain and it was deleted as a result. Interestingly, an administrator made the comment that Fair Use (or Fair Dealing in Canada) would mean that reproducing the letter would be justifiable on Wikipedia, but that these reasonings do not apply to Wikisource. Luckily, I have found another source in French for the letter so will just make a change in the link in the article so that we will be back where we started. --Slp1 22:31, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, that'll do just fine. Thanks for your help. --Wafulz 22:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Error
Maybe it was an error in the Twinkle thing you use but you placed an article-related speedy tag on User talk:Tweetsabird. Please try to avoid that in the future. --Spike Wilbury 05:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry and I will! My apologies for the mistake.--Slp1 21:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the confusion
I didnt. There was a bit of confusion because the user just before me blanked the page just as I was editing.--Why Does Life Suck So Bad? 23:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry
There were several edit conflicts, once I finally got done, I thought I did the right thing, but it somehow blanked the page.Cowardly 23:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Bud Grant
Thanks Slp1 for the comments in regards to the Bud Grant article. Your input was valuable and I made changes based on the feedback. Thanks again for the assistance! RyguyMN 05:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Terry Wogan
Thanks for your comments in the peer review - they're quite helpful. I didn't originally write the article: I just started out by removing a trivia section. Problem was, I couldn't see what was useful and what wasn't, hence the need for an outside perspective. Your comments are greatly appreciated --Fritzpoll 15:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Token Test
Thank you for the kind message. I am a speech language pathologist within a public school system who frequently uses the Token Test. It was my pleasure to add a picture of an administration of the test; I did the same for the MISA which I also use. I did notice, later, that I posted the picture saying it showed 'the author' giving the test. When the wiki script asked me to confirm that I was the author of the picture, I said yes! So, I guess it now seems like the author of the test posted it. Sorry for any confusion. I am NOT the author of the test and that is not his/her child. The picture is the back of my head and a child of a close friend. My thought is that parents would very much like to see what an admlinistration of the test would 'look like'. Again, thanks for the encouragement and have a great day. T. Tompkins, SLP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tammykps (talk • contribs) 18:16, 23 May 2007

Nominated for Speedy Deletion
I was just curious what warranted this for GiveJesusMoney.com

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no worries, I'm very new to this so when I make a mistake I try to find out what mistake it was and correct it and learn not to do it again. I wasn't sure where to talk to you at lol I had messages everywhere and wasn't sure which page to wait on. I'm a bit of a twit, feel free to toss something off of my head.Genghis John2005 04:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Nick Baker (prisoner in Japan)
Thank you for the pointer to the Baker articles on Factiva. It cost $69 plus a few dollars per article - but well worth it. The extra sources mean that there is no longer any concerns about undue weight regarding my citations, and brings a very long discussion to conclusion. I really appreciate it. -- Sparkzilla talk! 09:07, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your recent comments on the Baker page. It's a pity about the defense documents. I wonder if you wouldn't mind re-inserting the information regarding my editorial (which you had so kindly supplied the extra external sources for)? As an aside, I had a run-in with SlimVirgin some time back and I think that has influenced his view of my contributions.


 * I also think Cla68's suggestion that the page not be viewed as a BLP is useful. Thank you. -- Sparkzilla talk! 04:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You may want to add this Metropolis article to support the Times article that said Baker was threatened. . Thank you for your help. -- Sparkzilla talk! 08:41, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * There is also quite a lot of useful information in the IBA report (from page 159) -- Sparkzilla talk! 16:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Attack articles
I sourced Andrew McCarthy's use of torture. Can I restart the article on William Cash, as I have the source for his critiques of Jewish influence in hollywood.

Thanks
Hi, thanks for picking up my poor arithmetic on that prod for Matthew Elliott (American Gladiator) and substituting your own reasoning. Much appreciated. CIreland 01:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

+speedy for copyvios
Hi Slp, thanks for pointing that out - it was the third one I listed tonight, the others should probably have been speedy as well. I'll bear it in mind for the future. pabloundefined 23:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks/Sorry
I'm a new Wikipedian. Just wanted to thank you for the help with my first article and say sorry for all the trouble it caused. Any new articles will be permanent. Thanks again. KwoodXCJake 15:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Bernard marx
Ahh, no one is saying it is silly, at least not me. But an article already existed for him, and properly capitalized in the title and it was redirected to Brave New World. If it didn't survive as a stand alone article once, it won't do it now. Postcard Cathy 04:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Notability
Thanks for posting this essay to the Nicholas John Baker talk page. It was really worth the read. Too bad it's not policy yet. J Readings 13:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Ecole poly
That is awesome! How did it happen? Wow, an article that has already had it's share of vandals on the front page will keep us all busy. Perhaps we'll see some old friends...;) Dina 14:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Slp1
hiya nope think I'm just tired. Thanks for moving the sandbox I created into my userspace from mainspace. I created it for somebody else and obviously forgot his/her name. again I have moved it to its rightful owner. thanks for the vigilance, mikey x x Mik e 33 -  t @ lk  02:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome
Glad I could help. I didn't know much about the École Polytechnique massacre before it showed up on the Main Page, and I happened to catch that error report. I'm frankly horrified that this attack isn't mentioned in the same breath as the shootings at Columbine or Virginia Tech — perhaps the U.S. media thinks that Americans won't care about something that happened in Canada, or worse, they think we won't care about an attack in which the targets were women (feminists, even!). I'll try to keep an eye on the page in future — it's on my watchlist, at least, so if I'm active here I'll be able to watch what's going on. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Copyvios
Odd. You tag pages found by CSBot with db-copyvio, but with different sources&mdash; are you using some kind of helping tool or doing searches by hand? Just curious. &mdash; Coren (talk) 01:46, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed, in the case of David Beisel, you found a better source for the copying. (Which means you're smarter than a few hundred lines of perl.  I suppose that's a good thing!)  :-) &mdash; Coren (talk) 01:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * All the bot does is place a tag for humans to see (and post it at Suspected copyright violations), so what you're doing is fine&mdash; it just gets the copyvio deleted that much faster. &mdash; Coren (talk) 02:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

ushmm.org
Hey there.

I've added .ushmm.org to the list of exclusions handled by CSBot, and new articles should no longer get warnings about copies from that site. &mdash; Coren (talk) 19:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Imran Khan
This is in reference to "BLP claims not confirmed by the sources" in relation to Imran Khan There is progression of Taliban involvement, and repeated statements by Imran Khan in support of taliban. What kind of "confirmation" are you looking for? M12390 04:06, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Imran_Khan#Probably_libellous_section_heading_removed M12390 19:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Bombos
Hi, thanks for nominating this for speedy deletion - it looks like I PROD'd it just after someone deleted, it, and in the process I accidentally re-created. D'Oh! Cheers, Davidprior 01:04, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Found the cause of my issue - the first item in the bug section at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Twinkle - dunno if this explains what you've been seeing.   Davidprior 01:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Did you think to check the disambiguation page?
That's what the disambiguation page is for, to disambiguate things. I moved it that way because its the proper way to point to the articles. Also, check the "Dear Enemy (novel)" page and youll find the exact page as it was originally. I simply went into the edit mode of the original Dear Enemy page and copied all and pasted it into the new "Dear Enemy (novel)" page. Simple as toast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricketgt (talk • contribs) 03:53, 1 September 2007

NROAH Caption Edit
This looks like it will work. Mahalo for your help.--Laualoha 00:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

AFDs
Thanks a lot! I'm getting the hang of this. Stormtracker94 21:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Fruck
Just wanted you to know that I appreciated the correction to the proper deletion process -- I was a little too hasty with my nonsense tag, and I should have remembered that neologisms aren't the proper subject of speedies. Thanks for the correction. Accounting4Taste 22:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Absolutely right; neologisms, however silly, should be prodded. Thanks for calling it an edit conflict!! LOL (Easy to tell we're both Canucks.) Accounting4Taste 22:30, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Is swearing illigle
Hi... Hoaxes are actually speediable as patent nonsense, in case you wanted to retag the article. --Rrburke(talk) 22:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi again. The article creator had actually removed a speedy tag that predated your prod.  I restored it, but feel free to revert me.  --Rrburke(talk) 22:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

William Wilberforce
I too am working through material on Wilberforce with the aim of getting this article up to scratch.

I have enlisted the help of the WikiProject Biography, for whom it was once (I believe) collaboration of the month, if I remember correctly. I rewrote virtually the whole article at the beginning of the year but, unfortunately, owing to ill-health at the time, I had to leave my contributions in March/April – but I'm now back and would really like to see this article improved as much as possible.

It would be good to get it up to GA status, and possibly considered as a Featured Article before the end of the year. This would be expecially appropriate, as 2007 is the bicentenary of the Bill to abolish the slave trade. Regards – Agendum 13:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have had to cite the earlier version of the DNB, dated 1900 (which is available online if you click on 'DNB Archive' next to the modern article). In order to differentiate beteween the two versions I have taken the liberty of changing your references to the new one to 'ODNB' and using 'DNB' for the old one. Please change this back if you don't approve - as you clearly know what you're doing and are much more aware of how to correctly cite references than I am. I'm busy finding the missing citations, as well as other details which need to be added.


 * I think it's beginning to look better, though. Although there is still a whole missing section from the middle of his life and career to work on.... Cheers, Bruce Agendum 23:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Sainthood
I'm curious why you deleted the Saintbox. If you'll take a look at other persons who have been recognized with Christian liturgical commemorations, most of them on Wikipedia have included the "saintbox." This helps the Wiki Saints portal keep track of persons who received that recognition. You asserted that it "doesn't add much," but I believe it did: including his feast day, which church recognizes him, a prayer associated with his commemoration, and his birth/date date with age (important in hagiographical research).

I don't just want to put up the box again, and start a deletion war, but I'd like to hear your reasons for taking it down.

Thanks Diezba (talk) 00:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Stuttering FAR
Stuttering has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 17:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

William Wilberforce
I'm not sure why you reverted my edit - I concatenated all the refs to Page 251 ... ie to a page reference. The concatentation saves making a separate entry/footnote for each citation that points to that page. I believe this is common practice. I left all the other Hochschild refs as they were because they were to different pages. Can I suggest you revert back to my edit please? Sterry2607 02:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for agreeing to the revert - much appreciated. Sterry2607 12:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 'S OK, all's well that ends well...I've been afflicted by similar blindness myself...see you 'round the traps! Sterry2607 22:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response a few weeks ago. I too am committed to the improvement of this article, but am rather limited at the moment because of real-life commitments. I've managed to amplify the first paragraph, as suggested by María, and am trying to get hold of William Hague's new biography of WW from the library. I'm also dipping into Hochschild's excellent book again, in order to find the citations required. I hope to have opportunity to spend some quality time on the article in a few days. Cheers – Agendum 09:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I see that you've managed to acquire a copy of Hague's book – I have had to read snippets of it (and of other works) in Borders bookshop, and try to remember page references! – but I may get a copy for Christmas. This is looking far more balanced (now that it isn't looking like a promotional piece for Pollock's biography). I know that you have more work to do on this, but I feel it may be time to seek Peer Review on the article, and hopefully get it up to GA standard by Christmas. I had originally nursed a hope that it could become FA by the end of 2007, although time is now very short. Please let me know what you think. Cheers, Bruce Agendum (talk) 22:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have taken advice from other editors and, rather than submit for Peer Review, I've gone straight to A-Class Review. I'm still aware that a bit more work is needed, but the article's in a much better state than when it received B-Class rating in February. Hopefully, we will get some practical suggestions about improvments to try and bring it up to FA standard.
 * I do understand that you have limited access for the next little while, so may not be able to contribute for a while. I have Hague's book on order at the library, and am hopeful of getting it soon - as there are five copies in the libraries around Norfolk and Norwich - so I may be able to continue citing additional material from that source. Cheers, Bruce – Agendum (talk) 00:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Greg Felton
The link from Canada.com which states Felton wrote for the National Vanguard will be re-added tomorrow. Please do not censor information.
 * --Eternalsleeper 18:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

If Slp1 doesn't remove it, I will. I have his permission.

You REALLY must want to be banned. Voxveritatis 02:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Regarding BLP sources
One thing, the ethnicity counld be fairly important as it have 1. informative value for the reader 2. in spcieal cases it have a statistical importance. Any way, I think that about the last 3 economoic Noble winners it is completly wrong to delete their Jewish origin from the article, at least. Best for you --Gilisa 14:20, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

N.M. Kelby
I will be restoring the citation tags on the N.M. Kelby article, since there are no reliable sources which document the claims in the article. Corvus cornix 21:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Where does her personal resume say she grew up in Florida? Corvus cornix 21:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I still don't see what you're pointing to. Where in the resume does it say she grew up in Florida? What section? And book reviews are not reliable sources for verification of facts. Corvus cornix 22:02, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I didn't delete any reference, I re-added the citation tags by hind. And book reviews are obviously not reliable sources, since they're personal opinions and not vetted for accuracy like news articles are. Corvus cornix 22:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Message moved from userpage
I just had a moment to look back at Wikipedia after I put up a bit about my daughter Emma. I saw it had all been removed now. Thank you for your balanced remarks on the page at the time. I would never try again to enter Wikipedia again as I dind't realise at that time how badly thought of Wikipedia is in Chess & other circles.After reading some comments from admin as ( Eliminator JR ) ( a chess playing train buff ) I think he's in need of surgery. However Slp1 thank you again. Best regards, David Bentley.

Thanks and FYI
Hi Slp!: Just a final note to thank you for your diligence regarding eternalsleeper's misconduct. I came across this link by chance and thought you might find it of interest. Best regards, Greg Felton Voxveritatis 05:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Stuttering
Hi, slp, how are you? You've done a tremendous amount of work on stuttering, but it still has unresolved issues, and the time to decide whether to push to retain status, ask for more time, or let it go is upon us. If you think you can finish up in a week or so, we can ask for more time and I can dig in to help (I have some free time now). Or, it can be delisted, and you can re-apply at WP:FAC when you're ready, and it will a featured article to your credit.

I need to look at it tonight and see if we can "get there from here". So far I see that ...

The lead needs to be rewritten, cultural aspects is still uncited, Classification is not classification, and we need to check that it's comprehensive, copy-edited and meets WP:MEDMOS guidelines, in particular with respect to the needed sections and referencing. I see that you are adding cites to textbooks rather than the peer-reviewed journal literature; most FAs are cited to peer-reviewed journal literature rather than self-published work. Do those textbooks also cite the journal literature that the conclusions are based upon? If so, we could add the PMIDs, "as cited in Ward", etc. Can you drop a note at Featured article review/Stuttering to let other reviewers know which way you want to head with the article? IF you want to push to finish, I'll do what I can to help, but since I don't know the subject matter, that would be mostly formatting, copyediting, etc. Best regards, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 16:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)  P.S. For comparable featured articles relative to WP:MEDMOS, you can look at Tourette syndrome, autism and Asperger syndrome. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 16:52, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * From my talk page. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:40, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks for your message. And also for your editing of the article today. I have watched and learnt and won't put you to the same trouble in the future! Finding where that long dash is on my keyboard is going to be task one.

I personally would like to start what I have finished, which is to try and save FA status now, if at all possible. I think it is possible, and that a week or two could do it, especially if there is some help in the offing!

My approach has been to rewrite and cite the main sections, thinking that the lead should come last. I have questions about the need for/extent of the cultural aspects section, and would be glad of some input and discussion on this topic. I agree that the classification is not classification and in the addition the collection of other disorders mentioned there seems extremely random. Looking at other similar articles will help focus what should be in that section. Re: the books I have used.... they are not really textbooks but scholarly books written by leading academics and researchers in the field. While there are probably some citations that I could narrow down to a specific research paper as you suggest, I personally feel that in many cases the books are actually the best sources for such an article. We get the benefit of the distillation of knowledge, based on thorough summaries of the research literature, and published by reputable academic publishers. Before I drop a note, as you suggest, I would like to get this issue clarified, since if this citing from these books is going to be frowned upon, I will likely give up the project. --Slp1 21:44, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Lost a big long response to an edit conflict, computer issues here because of a storm, will start over in a bit. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:52, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Trying again. On dashes, see WP:DASH for a description of the differences between WP:HYPHENs (-), endashes (–) and emdashes (—).  Hyphens join words, endashes are used on page, date, number ranges, emdashes are used for punctuation.  If the WP:DASH article doesn't help you figure out how to enter them directly from your keyboard, you can find them below the reply window, in the line that begins with a bold Insert (the first character after insert is an endash, the next is an emdash).  Alternately, you can just copy-paste one of mine.  If you don't want to mess with them, I don't mind fixing those sorts of things so you can focus on writing.
 * I agree that the WP:LEAD can be written last, after the rest of the content is nailed down; I just wanted to make sure that was the plan.
 * On cultural references, the best info is at WP:MEDMOS, and it references the article I wrote, Tourette syndrome, as an example. I already moved a lot of that content out, but more could be moved.  Cultural references should include only things or people that have made a lasting impression upon perception of the condition; anything else can go to daughter articles.
 * We need to make sure all recommended content sections per WP:MEDMOS are there, and sections like Classification need to be rewritten.
 * On the books, generally other FAs refer to the highest-quality peer-reviewed sources, usually recent reviews printed in the highest-quality journals. In this case, since I don't know the topic matter, I would have to rely on your judgment on the books.  The problem with books is that they aren't peer-reviewed, and some can be self-published quackery or be biased towards the author's opinions.  I feel better when I see the highest quality medical publishers (like Wiley) and I don't recognize those publishers.  If you are convinced these books reflect a review of the most up-to-date, comprehensive, peer-reviewed, journal-published literature, I'd have to trust you, as you are the only subject matter expert on board.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:38, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. Some of the cultural stuff is actually History; the article is lacking a History section per WP:MEDMOS. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:43, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

When you have time, to weigh in at Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 18:12, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Our anonymous friend
Hello,

Could you keep an eye on the Lorne Calvert page as well? 71. seems to be having a prolific day. CJCurrie 01:24, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

William Wilberforce
William is looking quite good! A couple of people you might want to have browse it when you feel ready (tell them I sent you) are and. I saw a wee bit of WP:OVERLINKing, but ping me when you're farther along and we don't have our plates full of "other stuff". Sandy Georgia (Talk) 03:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we're really making headway now! Please continue to correct my prose where you see it doesn't flow too well - I'm trying to do the same as I now re-read it at a distance of six months or so, and see where it could be rephrased or improved. By the way, I'm not sure about one of the changes you've made, which is to one of the references after the word Fontainebleau – I think it it may be a mistake.
 * Do keep an eye on the A-class review page at – where the article (currently No 2.2) is beginning to receive comments. I will be monitoring this and also taking in previous criticisms that have been received and not yet acted upon – hopefully by the end of this week. Cheers – Bruce Agendum (talk) 00:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's looking good, my friend. I'm sorry that I haven't been able to do as much as I wished over the Christmas/New Year break, as I had to attend various family gatherings - as well as dodging the inevitable illnesses and sore throats, etc. At least I was given a copy of William Hague's biography of WW, so I'll be able to do a bit more, now that I'm back at work! Cheers – Agendum (talk) 00:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest/Noticeboard notification
I am notifying all interested parties that I have listed the articles Anti-stuttering devices and Stuttering at the Conflict of Interest/Noticeboard, as well as Tdkehoe's conflict of interest in editing these. Please participate in the process there. Yours, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Slp1, with my new duties at FAC, the holidays approaching, and a very sick dog to boot, I am going to have to cut back somewhere over the next few weeks. I am very troubled that you have had to expend so much time and effort dealing with this issue, but I hope there are enough eyes on it now.  Will you please ping me if I can be of any help in the future?  Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 20:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for the kind words, Slp1; recover isn't the word, we're hoping for a peaceful passing when the time comes. Ugh. I had to make the decision once, and that was awful.  When it rains, it pours, ya know?  Anyway, do ping me at the slightest need.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I am keeping an eye on both pages - while I don't have the expertise to help much here, please let me know if I can be of assistance and thanks for what you are doing here, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Glad to be of help - I can revert vandalism and obviously bad edits, just don't have your subject area expertise Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

A request for comment/opinion
If you are able and willing to check a number of diffs in the Joe Klein and Glenn Greenwald articles then I would be much obliged.

In order to avoid an edit war, I have held off on reverting the articles; but I cannot deny that I am seeing red and am also hot under the collar (don't you know). I cannot help but think that the primary goal of the person making changes is to minimize what Klein has done and to rationalize said minimizing by claiming that Biography of Living Persons standards require a he said/she said commentary. I know that we are supposed to assume good faith and all of that, but this is getting to be a bit much. First, much of the text with the citations are removed -- supposedly because of bias -- and then the text is neutered because of the lack of citations.

Please help resolve these controversies if you are able and willing. Thank you.

--Nbahn (talk) 11:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting my RFA
Thanks too for the idea for the thanks picture Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I gave you credit for the idea here, not sure if you saw that or not. Glad you liked it - I was afraid it might be a bit silly (not that there's anything wrong with that) or seen as pretentious. Thanks again, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ultra busy in real life, so sorry to be slow in responding, but thanks for letting me know it is OK, take care, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Dear Slp1, I wanted to wish you a very Merry Christmas and all the best for the New Year! Yours, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:34, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Cheers! Me and keyboards don't mix too well! Pedro : Chat  00:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

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