User talk:Slytherining Around32

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Black conservatism
Hello Slytherining, thanks for your help with Black conservatism in the US. It appears that some of your additions are not "conservative". Being a Black Republicans does not necessarily make you conservative. – Lionel (talk) 06:40, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh very true, but I was adding those who had served during a Republican Presidency, so may be classified as a Conservative. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 10:51, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I see your logic, but keep in mind that we are pretty strict regarding article scopes here. In order to be included in "Black conservatism" the individual must be Black and conservative. Please do not add Black people solely because they were appointed by Republicans--they are out of scope and will be deleted. Thanks. – Lionel (talk) 07:24, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * But the reason why they have probably been appointed is because they are Conservative, otherwise there would be little reason in appointing them especially since polls and available data shows that most black people vote for the Democratic Party by 9 to 1. Therefore it is safe to assume that they are not Liberal but of Conservative leanings. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 08:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That may be the case. However we need a source stating that they are conservative. Do you have a reliable source stating that Artur Davis is conservative? – Lionel (talk) 08:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "Safe to assume" is the same as original research (i.e. drawing your own conclusion from disparate facts, where no reliable source has yet drawn that conclusion), and that is disallowed. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:49, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Historical portraits
Hello, I noticed you were uploading a large number of historic portraits. Are you aware that for most of these paintings an identical or larger copy already exists on Commons?

Also, let me point out that you are using templates in your file description pages that really work only on Commons. Here on Wikipedia, you don't say " "; you simply say " example ". The en template isn't needed because we're not multilingual here, and the w template doesn't work at all – here on Wikipedia it doesn't produce a link to a page, but is a shortcut to the welcome template. Could you perhaps fix those?

Thanks, – Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:03, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * So would I just need to change the images and add example instead to fix the problem and remove both the en and w?? Slytherining Around32 (talk) 17:12, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I deleted all of the duplicate images that you uploaded that are available on Commons. If you wish to use the images in the article, please use the already uploaded copy. Thank you. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:58, 8 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Re your message: I recommend that you reupload the photos to Commons instead of the English Wikipedia as they would be better served on Commons. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:06, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Matt Cartwright (Pennsylvania politician) for deletion
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Nomination of European Parliament Election, 2014 (United Kingdom) for deletion
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New uploads - missing licences ?
Hi There, for your new uploads you seem to be missing the licence details. From what I can see you meant to add OGL but it has been lost in the upload process ? - Peripitus (Talk) 11:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh really, thanks for notifying me I will fix this problem right now! Slytherining Around32 (talk) 11:18, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

UK Ministry of Defense images
Hi, according to, I'm afraid the Ministry of Defense images from http://www.defenceimagedatabase.mod.uk don't seem to be under the Open Government license. These are under a noncommercial-only license. If you have other information, can you provide a link? Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:10, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you click here on the same website in the contact section under general guidance, it says that images are under the Open Govenment Licence, as I clicked on the part that said "click here to view our downloadable section" and that is where the images came from. I also contacted them by email to verify that the OGL was allowed for these images, also the references I have provided for the pictures show that the images are under OGL e.g.  as it says at the top "you may use and re-use information featured in this section free of charge in any form or medium, under the terms of the Open Government Licence".
 * Ah, thanks, indeed. Didn't see those notes. Pretty confusing of them to not mention the license in the copyrights and terms of use sections too, but you're clearly right about what it says there. I'd recommend adding a link to that statement on the image pages (under "permission="), so as to avoid future misunderstandings. Sorry for the trouble. – Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:38, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Its fine, though it is confusing as the Ministry of Defence hasn't updated its website copyright since 2007, so certain Civil Servants have been slacking on their job. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 12:42, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I suggest you take the time inbetween now and your block for sockpuppetry (I knew a couple of weeks ago by the way, but thought I'd let you waste more of your time making hundreds of edits I can revert in minutes) to fix any source links on images you just uploaded. Naturally you'll be able to find the case at Sockpuppet investigations/Marquis de la Eirron when I file it shortly. 2 lines of K  303  12:45, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I strongly deny being a sockpuppet, having just looked over most of the edits by the sockpuppet I can safely say that I have no connection whatsoever to him. My edits have been both fully sourced and referenced, I have created articles, uploaded images that have been added to articles and so I cannot understand why you have attempted to call me a sockpuppet. I will be writing to an administrator to complain! Slytherining Around32 (talk) 12:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Complain away, I could do with a laugh. They won't do anything since you're an editor banned for persistent sockpuppetry and copyright violations. 2 lines of K  303  12:53, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I really recommend fixing the broken links instead of wasting what valuable time you have left uploading images where the source says "You are free to use it for your own purposes, including for private study and non-commercial research", since Wikipedia requires commercial use. All those images will be deleted no matter what you do, so you might want to save the possibly fixable ones. 2 lines of K  303  13:18, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Those images should not be deleted as they have all been released under the Open Government Licence from their specific departments. As the Ministry of Health and Business both us the OGL and, therefore images that I have uploaded date from 2007 onwards and the OGL was set up in 2007, so they can be used whenever due to that Licence. So I would advise not deleting them Slytherining Around32 (talk) 13:25, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise, how come you have blocked me? I have shown whilst defending myself that there is no behavioural pattern. As my accuser says that I upload "Conservative politician images" though I have only uploaded five, the other 22 of my images are Labour Politicians so there is no pattern. He then mentions Republican politicians but most of my edits revolve around Democrat politicans, as all the articles I have created are about Democrats apart from one. With regard to "replacing previous sock images" I was unaware that images had been removed from these articles before as I have never edited any of those articles until today, as you will see from my uploads I have been adding numerous images to various articles all day. So please may you unblock me as there is no behavioural pattern between my edits, as unlike Marquis I have not committed any violations as my edits have been sourced and referenced at all times! Slytherining Around32 (talk) 15:10, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

You yourself showed yourself remarkably well acquainted with the sockmaster here. A mere 4 minutes after I'd mentioned the sockmaster's name you'd typed up that reply and had time to "having just looked over most of the edits by the sockpuppet I can safely say that I have no connection whatsoever to him", and that was 5 minutes before I posted the sock report. I must say 4 minutes is record time for you to have seen you have got a new talk page message, gone to your talk page, read it, looked at the sock report archives and investigated the previous editing style in order for you to boldly state that conclusion. Obviously that is more simply explained by you being the sockmaster in question, as is obvious to anyone else. 2 lines of K 303  15:20, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you get accused of something then you are going to want to find out what you are accused of, so I went on your investigation link and then clicked on archive which brought me here  and then looked at the most recent edits here  of Marquis, though I did not view all the pages of edits and then went to the latest sockpuppet claims  and here . It doesn't take that long to scroll down a page to see if you have any articles that are similar. I never said I looked at every single archive just the oldest and newest. If you click the bar with your mouse and scroll down quickly whilst scanning the information you can see alot, so four minutes of brief scanning does achieve alot. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 15:35, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Ed pic
Many thanks for your work in uploading - much appreciated -  You  really  can  15:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't thank him, it's licenced for non-commercial use so will be deleted when I get round to tagging it and all his other problematic uploads. 2 lines of K  303  15:39, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


 * No Problem glad I could upload it, Hackney have you not checked the photo information as it has been released by the Open Government Licence which the Department of Energy is under as here is the Departments copyright status, Ed Miliband became Secretary in 2008, whereas the [[Open Government Licence came into force in 2007, therefore this photo has been relased legally. It even states here that the photo can be used as it is already in the public domain! Also states "You are free to use it for your own purposes, including for private study and non-commercial research, and for any other purpose authorised by an exception in current copyright law" . So Hackney I think you should start reading things before you try and deleted them as the licence clearly does not state for Non Commercial use, as you can't make things up as you go along just to suitn yourself. [[User:Slytherining Around32|Slytherining Around32]] (talk) 15:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not even going to get involved debating with a banned editor. I'm right, you're wrong, as you'll see when all the images get deleted. Goodbye. 2 lines of K  303  16:04, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You claim you are right and yet you have no proof, as you see and veteran editor who is probably senior to you has thanked me for the image, he has probably looked over the links to see if they are correct before writing on my wall. So why delete something that is correct! Slytherining Around32 (talk) 16:26, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I had a look and that picture of Ed looks good to go under that open government license - there is a template created at commons for that licence - I was involved in getting it created - I would move it to commons but currently I am opposed to the situation at commons and prefer now to keep files here. This picture that I uploaded and moved to commons was the one that the commons template was created for - is under the same license - -  You  really  can  22:58, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi someone deleted the image of Ed Miliband even though I had pointed out that the picture in question was taken whilst he was Secretary of State of Energy, and the Department for Energy is under the Open Government Licence which was created in 2007 whereas Ed Miliband became Secretary in 2008 so that image was legally released yet someone saw fit to delete it, I am wondering if you could get them to undelete the image in question. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 14:24, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * As the editor who he deleted the images says they crucially state "The information supplied to you continues to be protected by copyright" on here and since these images were realised by the Department of Energy in 2010 I went onto their website to look at their copyright licence where I found this {http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/termsandconditions/termsandconditions.aspx] where it states "Information from this website may be used free of charge under the Open Government Licence" which as I have already pointed out came into effect in 2007 so these images should never have been deleted. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 14:32, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Blocked
As an apparent sock of a banned user. I'll wait for CU confirmation before finalizing it, but for now the block seems safe enough. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:53, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What is CU confirmation? Slytherining Around32 (talk) 15:54, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "WP:Checkuser", i.e. a technical check of your IP addresses in the server logs. See Sockpuppet investigations/Marquis de la Eirron. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:56, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh Ok, thanks. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 15:59, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If my IP is found not to be linked to Marquis, does that mean I am allowed to be unblocked? Slytherining Around32 (talk) 16:58, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It means I'll just have to file a more detailed SPI case to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are Marquis, since checkuser cannot prove innocence. 2 lines of K  303  17:04, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I was not asking you Hackney, and when you say "pull up a more detailed SPI case" does that mean you will create some fabricated evidence, as many people edit pages does that to make them a sockpuppet also. I see that by your block log, you yourself were blocked for "Attempting to harass other users: Personal attack continues after discussion and final warning" you try and portray me as a sockpuppet based on one article and yet you attacked other users. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 17:09, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No fabrication involved. Unfortunately human nature is against you. Without realising it, people behave in predictable ways that form patterns of behaviour. I am very adept at spotting those patterns, you are very bad at hiding them. 2 lines of K  303  17:15, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please do divulge on my behavioural pattern, you say I upload Conservative Pictures and yet I have only uploaded five compared to thirty five for Labour - So how do I upload Conservative pictures when 88.5% of my British uploads are Labour. You say I edit Republican Politicians and yet I edit both Democrat and Republican politicians by adding the same thing each time Clinton Administration personnel, George W. Bush Administration personnel or Obama Administration personnel, furthermore the articles that I have created seven of them are Democrats to one Republican, so if 87.5% of my edits on these articles are on Democrats, how can you say I edit Republicans? You mention England and Wales Police and Crime Commissioner elections, 2012 and so I mention UK Independence Party a page which you edit continuously and the page seems to be notorius for vandalism, lies and sockpuppets, so who do I not know that you yourself are not a sockpuppet? Slytherining Around32 (talk) 17:30, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You appear to be arguing that because you edit articles in some other areas that you don't normally edit in addition to your usual editing interests that you cannot be the same person. This is a nonsensical argument. You also appear to be arguing that because you uploaded a number of images of Labour politicians that a similar principle applies. Again, this is a nonsensical argument particularly when I point out that many of those were uploaded after you had seen the evidence at the SPI. 2 lines of K  303  17:41, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The simple fact is you have accused me of being a sock puppet because of five Conservative Pictures and edits to the Police elections, which is like saying "We found you finger prints on the door handle, aswell as hundred of other peoples, but we are going to say it was you", also my editing interests have been continously the same so they are areas that I normally edit in! Well I shall point out that before I uploaded the five Conservative images I had uploaded 13 Labour before the SPI so called "evidence" which shows my intention of uploading more Labour images. You have based you evidence around the fact that some Conservative Ministers had their images deleted and then I put some new ones in place along with putting new images in nearl fourty other pages! Your arguement is flawed! Slytherining Around32 (talk) 17:54, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Future Perfect at Sunrise if the check user shows that my IP and my account are neither linked to the sockpuppet and that I don't have any sleepers (Don't know what they are as all I could find was a sleeping person when I checked on wikipedia), does that mean I would be unblocked and allowed to continue editing and uploading on wikipedia again? Slytherining Around32 (talk) 17:50, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hackney I have just seen the comment that you left on Sunrise's wall and even another editor has commented on your disgraceful behaviour as you say I have uploaded 20+ problematic images and yet everysingle one those images were realised from their respective departments as I have shown for example here and its states here in one of the replies "The information is exempt under Section 21 of the Freedom of Information Act(FOIA), because the information is accessible to you, as it is already in the public domain. Photos of the department's Ministers are available and are under that departments copyright and so I went onto the copyright section  where it mentioned the Open Government Licence, so I clicked on it.

Hackney I suggest you read the OGL before you start calling my images problamatic as here is the copyright section of all the government departments of the images that you are metioning: Energy : - Uses OGL Health : - Uses OGL Enviroment : - Uses OGL Communities : - Uses OGL

All of the images I uploaded where from 2010 and this link says "The new Open Government Licence allows anyone - businesses, individuals, charities and community groups - to re-use public sector information without having to pay or get permission" and this website  is a government website that is releasing information and Pictures for people to use and so the images that I have used are not problamatic but legit. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 14:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Unblock

 * With regard to addressing the concerns I thought I had made it clear? As the four images and and edits to the Police Commissioner were the reasons why I had been blocked. So may I ask what do you mean by "Haven't addressed the concerns? Slytherining Around32 (talk) 14:15, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * More detailed behavioural evidence SPI available on request if anyone isn't convinced and is considering unblocking. I'd prefer not to post it unless absolutely needed, since he's attempting to modify his behaviour and the more information he's given the more difficult it becomes to use behavioural evidence. 2 lines of K  303  13:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I for one would like to see the SPI evidence against me as your mentioning my behaviour, so I would like to see what you have gathered against me. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 14:15, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Case is here . CU can't be released due to privacy policy.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  14:25, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have seen the case against me but as I have pointed out before that just because an editor edits a page does that make him a sockpuppet. The arguement against me is that I edited the Police Commissioner election page therefore I am a sdockpuppet, however Hackney himself edits the UKIP page where vandalism and sockpuppetry occurs so does that make him a sockpuppet also? You cannot find someone guilty becuase they uploaded four images to a page where images had been deleted before especially since I was uploading a numerous amount of images at the time to various articles. What does CU mean btw? Slytherining Around32 (talk) 14:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * As I'm trying to act fully in good faith, CU =WP:CHECKUSER Dennis Brown - 2&cent;    &copy;  14:36, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Its because you know i'm not a sockpuppet, yes I may have used insulting words but I am not a sock and can you not do a check user on me please as then you will see that I have no connection to Marquis. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 14:42, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Checkuser was already done and clearly indicated it was a possibility.  See the SPI case. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  16:06, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand it has been done, butas you hbave said its a possibility rather then a definate, as there isn't alot of evidence to link me with Marquis! Slytherining Around32 (talk) 16:09, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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 * You are disgracefully trying to get rid of my images, and the copyright for this image is available as I got it from his congressional website and it has been taken by the United States Congress, so how dare you try and delete this legit image. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 12:09, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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 * You are disgracefully trying to get rid of my images, and the copyright for this image is available as I got it from her congressional website and it has been taken by the United States Congress, so how dare you try and delete this legit image. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 12:09, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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 * You are disgracefully trying to get rid of my images, and the copyright for this image is available as I got it from her congressional website and it has been taken by the United States Congress, so how dare you try and delete this legit image. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 12:09, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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 * You are disgracefully trying to get rid of my images, and the copyright for this image is available as I got it from his congressional website and it has been taken by the United States Congress, so how dare you try and delete this legit image. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 12:09, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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I believe you will find I told you three times to fix images with sources that either don't work or don't appear to contain the image in question. Since you chose to ignore that and spent your time before being blocked uploaded even more problematic images, you only have yourself to blame for the current situation. I'll be glad to update any images you can provide *proper* sources for though. 2 lines of K 303  12:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC) With regard to all the british images that you are trying to delete, they have actually been released under the OGL as here forsay: the man asks for images released under a freedom of information act, however these requests were asked before the OGL came into force and so now those images that I have uploaded come under the jurisdiction of the OGL &. Also since all the images in question were released by either Defra, Health and Communities  it means that the images come under the OGL as all of these websites say that they use the OGL so the images have been uploaded correctly. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 12:24, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually I fixed the links as the images in question have all been released by the United States Congress therefore I have added the correct links, as if they were incorrect why has no other editor or administrator pulled them up before, as the Lynn Jenkins, Chris Gibson and Elijah Cummings are both sat next to an American flag and is there latest congressional photo.


 * When you have learned the difference between "website" and "department" there may be something worth discussing, but since you apparently don't understand the difference there is nothing to discuss at present. 2 lines of K  303  12:26, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You mention the difference website and department, however the website in question is a Government website that is run by the individual Governemnt departments as if they do not forsay reply to one of your requests it is a criminal offence, and since as I have already pointed out that these images were released by the Departments to this website they are allowed to be used on wikipedia. Also the defence pictures you have said are under Crown Copyright which The Controller is incharge of and I have added the link to the Cronw Copyright page and it clearly states that Crown Copyright is now Open Governemnt Licence, as the OGL website  has no mention that images may not be used by OGL and it also says that Crown Copyright is under the OGL. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 12:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll teach my granny how to suck eggs next. Picking one at random, the Department of Health say "You may use and re-use the information featured on this website (not including logos or photographs) unless identified as another party’s copyright free of charge in any format or medium, under the terms of the Open Government Licence". Now which part of that sentence do you have difficulty understanding? The salient part is "the information featured on this website". That, as any reasonable person would agree, means what it says on the tin - information on that particular website. It doesn't include information supplied by the Department of Health to another website, unless explicitly said so. As it isn't said, no amount of arguing will change that. There is no proof the images are licenced under the OGL, no matter what bizarre interpretation of the English language you try and use that will not change. 2 lines of K  303  12:58, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The information ie. the pictures were featured on these websites until the Labour Party lost the 2010 general election when the images were removed in order to be replaced by those of Conservatives and Lib Dems, as if you look here it clearly states "The information is exempt under Section 21 of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), because the information is accessible to you, as it is already in the public domain. Photos of the department's Ministers are available via the left hand navigation at, so what you seem to clearly not understand is how British Law works as the images were taken from those websites and put onto whatdotheyknow but they are still part of the Government Website and therefore come under the Open Government Licence, whether they have been supplied to another website is irrelevant.

As I may have got the images from the said website but the copyright status of the images in question first and formost has come from the OGL Government Department. With regard to the Defence pictures you yourself have put on the deletion list "Not licenced under the Open Government Licence as claimed, but actually Crown Copyright which doesn't allow modifications and as such is an incompatible licence with Wikipedia unless the image is fair use. This notice makes it clear that images in the "downloadable section" are Open Government Licence but the main copyright notice makes it clear the rest are Crown Copyright". So I kindly gave you this that the images are under Crown Copyright which The Controller is incharge of and I have added the link to the Cronw Copyright page and it clearly states that Crown Copyright is now Open Governemnt Licence, as the OGL website  has no mention that images may not be used by OGL and it also says that Crown Copyright is under the OGL. So for you to totally disregard this information and try and mention "Crown Copyright" even though I have shown you that Crown Copyright is under the Open Government Licence. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 13:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I suggest you take it up with the department of the British Government in question, since they make it plain that only images on the "downloadable section" are Open Government Licence and the rest are straight Crown Copyright. I'm sure with you being such a copyright "expect" they'll be happy to update their website if you are correct. 2 lines of K  303  13:23, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you meant "Expert" and I will take it up with them, however whilst I do would you kindly not put the images in question up for deletion as I would hate for them to have been deleted even though I have been proven right. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 13:27, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No. 2 lines of K  303  13:28, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * And why is that, I have given countless references and sources to back up my information and yet you persist in trying to delete my images. What truly amuses me is that your deleting my images when I am unable get to the deletion page to show that I am right. It is unacceptable behaviour for you to accuse me of something, even though you know I cannot try and fix somehting since you have had me blocked for no apparant reason so I will be making a formal complaint against you as your conduct has been disgraceful. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 14:10, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps this needs to tone down a bit, as I would prefer to not have to remove talk page access. Keep it on topic, and I suggest that Sly strike his personal attacks or I may still block talk page access. Dennis Brown - 2&cent;    &copy;  13:52, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have deleted the insults as you asked, however I just don't appreciate being called a liar even when my IP has shown to have no connection to a known sock and for Hackney to mention "underlying behaviour hasn't changed" as I have looked at the [User talk:81.110.220.68: Difference between revisions] and the sockpuppet Marquis insulted Hackney in 2010, whilst I got "pissed off" by his general ignornace to the references that I ahve provided so my images won't be deleted. Also I have been looking over the behavioural pattern of Marquis and he seems to be fixated on random titles and editing pages linked to the Conservative Party e.g Monday Club and LGBTory, my personal interest lies more in national political elections, editing American politicians and uploading images of American and British politiccians, so as I have said before I am not a sock. I would also like to see the SPI evidence against me please. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 14:26, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * IP evidence isn't relevant. For example Marquis has previously edited from NTL IPs and, Royal Northern College of Music IPs  and , British Telecom IP  and Manchester University (UMIST E&E) Local Area Network IP . So when we're dealing with someone who has used two major UK ISPs and various networks on university/educational establishment computers it doesn't really matter if they use a computer they've never used before, not if they behave in the exact same way.  2 lines of K  303  14:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If the IP evidence is irrelevant then I would like to see what other evidence you have against me, as you have called me a liar, yet your only evidence is four images and edits to one page. That is not how wikipedia is run, edits to numerous articles that have been edited by a sock should be used as evidence not just one. If you go to a crime scene I doubt the police will say "Oh we found loads of prints but we will pick this one because they might be guilty" and if this was a court case then I would ask to see further evidence against me, if you are going to call me a liar then I would I want to see what you have against me. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 14:40, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It doesn't work that way, and we aren't the police, and generally do not disclose all methods used to make a comparison at WP:SPI. Please see WP:GAB if you wish to appeal this. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  14:43, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * But if i ask to appeal then ban you will just decline it again and keep me blocked and then all my images will be deleted! Slytherining Around32 (talk) 14:48, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You need to read the whole guideline. And generally, since I've already declined, a different admin will be the one reviewing the case, not me again.  For what it is worth to that admin, based on my experience at WP:SPI and a cursory look at the case, and previous talk page edits of the Puppetmaster, I see enough similarity that would justify the block.  Making multiple unblock requests can also get your talk page access removed, forcing you to email in order to get full review, so I suggest you limit yourself in the number of unblock requests to one more.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  14:56, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help, I will continue to fight to prove that I am not a sockpuppet as I have editing behaviour on my side, as just because people may or may not write like someone else does not make them a sockpuppet!. Slytherining Around32 (talk) 14:59, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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