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Your draft article, Draft:Military marching commands


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Your draft article, Draft:2010s in Iran political history


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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, January 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, February 2021
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Your draft article, Draft:Timeline of the 2019–2020 Persian Gulf crisis


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Upcoming massively multiplayer online role-playing games


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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXIII, July 2021
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Happy New Year Sm8900!
Happy New Year! Hello Sm8900: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, ★Trekker (talk) 20:05, 30 December 2019 (UTC) Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks (static)}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Hey, thanks, !!! Appreciate it. Happy New Year!! --Sm8900 (talk) 01:34, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Private social services moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Private social services, is a nonsubstantial essy, sourced only by articles talking about a small range of examples. We need references providing substantial coverage from third-party independent reliable sources, not press releases or mere announcements. I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.  DGG ( talk ) 23:12, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Re:Item
No problem...and thanks!!! :) Jhenderson  7 7 7  14:51, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Help me!
help me

Hi. I'm just curious, why is the category Category:Top-importance Batman articles shown as empty? Does anyone know why? the article Batman at least should clearly be showing up there. right?

and actually, it looks like all of the sub-categories of Category:Batman articles by importance are empty! any ideas on this? thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 23:39, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Please don't use the help me template in two places to ask the same question. You've identified the correct template to investigate at Talk:Batman. I'll look into it later if nobody else has gotten to it before then.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 00:59, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Comics articles importance ratings
Hi, I reverted your changes to some Batman-related articles. You placed them all in "Top" importance, which may be their importance within the Batman universe (though even their some are debatable), but which is not their actual importance for the Comics project in general (which is what your edits actually achieved). Articles like Alfred Pennyworth or Batman's utility belt are very far removed from being Top importance for the Comics project. The intention is to keep "Top" for about 50 articles only: at the moment, there are 56 ones listed at Category:Top-importance Comics articles, of which only a handful can really be debated (I'll reassess Hobbes (Calvin and Hobbes) and take a look at some others). Batman is correctly one of them, but subtopics of the Batman universe should not be in this category. Fram (talk) 15:29, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . thanks so much for your courteous and helpful note here. no problem at all. i'll take a look at that, and think about if there are any other options. meanwhile, I also wrote to you on your talk page. nice to be in touch. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 15:31, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

My user page
I've never paid any attention to user pages; I suppose it is useful not only for learning more about a particular editor but also in judging their competence and credibility. I honestly don't remember when I started editing Wikipedia, although a year ago sounds right. As for my date of birth, it is October 26, 1952, and I live in Mexico (although I'm a U.S. citizen, which largely explains my interest in U.S. history and politics). I guess you can see from this that I am giving you permission to set up my user page. Michael E Nolan (talk) 17:37, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , okay, that's terrific. consider it done. I am really enjoying our mutual efforts, and look forward to many more items and projects in the weeks and months ahead. I'll be glad to get started on this.


 * feel free to let me know any time, of course, if there's anything I've done that you want changed, corrected, revised, removed, or improved-upon, etc etc etc. it is your user page, so naturally you are in full control of course. I'll enjoy working on it though. always nice to try my hand at a new item. or to dabble in a new area. I appreciate your note, and all your help. feel free to be in touch any time, as always. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 17:57, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

RE question re your ideas on editors and various items
Hello. I don't work much on userboxes lately. Here is what I have done so far: Feel free to use them, or to copy them to your own pages for further editing. I don't claim ownership, and I don't need any credit. People can use the userboxes from your own pages and subpages after you edit and adapt them to your own needs. -- Timeshifter (talk) 19:56, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Timeshifter/Userboxes

Some advice for WikiProject History
Hi Sm8900, great to see your interest in WP History. I have been involved in a small revival for something similar for WP:ANAT and want to leave some short advice for you:


 * 1) Honestly, a dormant project doesn't have many active editors. So I wouldn't waste time creating infrastructure (eg. for A class reviews, task forces, role designations, statements of behaviour etc.) because there will only be a couple of active editors and that kind of stuff wastes a lot of time and in my experience drains energy and certainly doesn't result in any new editors.
 * 2) If you're active, do whatever makes you passionate about that area - wikignoming, organisation, or article editing. Editors (myself included) are drawn to activity and it will usually generate more active editing
 * 3) For automated tasks, use a bot, eg. if you plan to go through your volunteer list (or article list, or whatever), think clearly about what you want to do, and see if a bot owner can do it. Saves a lot of time. I'll give an example:
 * 4) * Go through all editors on your volunteers list
 * 5) * Separate our all editors without activity in the last year, move these to an 'old volunteers list'
 * 6) * To old volunteers, deliver a message notifying that you've like to get the project active but moved them to an old list because they're not
 * 7) * To active volunteers, deliver a message notifying that you'd like to get the project active again and welcome collaboration
 * 8) Consider using a mass message to notify editors of important project events or when disseminating a newsletter
 * 9) Wikiprojects are great places to discuss things that affect your sets of articles - such as groups of images, navboxes, templates, layout, sources etc. Keep in mind to expect strong and contradictory opinions.

I hope that helps. So to summarise
 * 1) A WP consists of active members who want to contribute to that area
 * 2) Editors want to contribute to the area, so administrative stuff (1) wastes your time and (2) doesn't get active editors and (3) won't achieve your end goal of improving articles
 * 3) The point of the activity is to improve articles, so make sure you keep that as your focus
 * 4) Rome wasn't build in a day, and the most important element is consistent involvement over time or a small amount of activity over time in the area, rather than single momentous decisions

Hope that helps. That is just my two cents from being involved in a similar process over at WikiProject Anatomy and our process of trial and error --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:14, 17 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi. I didn’t delete it. Sorry, I simply moved it to the correct section. It is still there . Sorry for being less than clear about this. Thanks.Sm8900 (talk) 14:52, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I think your suggestion above is pretty good. I will try to do that. Thanks. Sm8900 (talk) 14:54, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Re WP Council
You posted, then deleted, the following on my talk page:
 * hi., thanks for clicking “thanks “! However, if you have a chance, I could also use some written support. If you get a chance, could you please write a reply there. It can be short; just one or two sentences would be totally great if you want. I appreciate it. Thanks!! Sm8900 (talk) 14:18, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Over the past few days, I have made several suggestions on how you could proceed. Once again, I think it would be useful if you created a new talk page (possibly in your own user space) where you could list what you think are the project's current shortcomings and how you think these could be overcome. When it is ready, you could then invite comment. Further discussion on the project's current talk page does not seem to be productive.--Ipigott (talk) 14:48, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * hi . I didn’t delete that comment; I simply moved it to the correct section. It is still there . Sorry for being less than clear about this. Thanks.


 * I think your suggestion above is pretty good. I will try to do that. Thanks. Sm8900 (talk) 14:54, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * OK. Thanks for the explanation. I started to reply to it but then found it was no longer there and went back to history to find it again. Anyway, I'm glad to see you are going to follow up on my suggestion. I still think one of the important areas to work on is assessment. As you have probably noticed, there are already several types of assessment report including by changes (recently updated here but not yet incorporated), by page watchers, by Category:Defunct WikiProjects, Inactive WikiProjects and Semi-active WikiProjects and, interestingly, those featured on Signpost. What is not measured is the number of article talk pages tagged by WikiProject over time (e.g. over the past month or by year). This could be a useful way of finding out which WikiProjects are considered interesting by those creating new articles but I don't know if it would be easy to implement. Once you have developed your new talk page, I would be happy to contribute.--Ipigott (talk) 08:11, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

question re sections
how do I add a button to provide the option to hide or collapse a section of an article? thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 17:01, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that would be contrary to the manual of style. On mobile view, the sections are automatically collapsed. What's your broader objective?  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 18:00, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * well, I meant, to provide a way to collapse a section on a page, i.e. on WikiProject, or a talk page, or a maintenance page. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 18:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, for something like that, you'd probably use collapse. collapse top or, where you want to indicate that a discussion is over and done with, Hidden archive top. Just avoid doing that in article space.
 * There are plenty of options for including the section header text, having it expanded by default, etc.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 18:21, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Strategy
Hi! Today, I was about to let you know that the discussions have been launched. I'm glad to find out that you needed no pings. :) SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 23:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * lol! thanks, ! I appreciate the thought. as you see, yup, I'm already there. I appreciate your note. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 02:51, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

What are the standards for inclusion in year links?
Eg 1961 in poetry which has some people's names with red links. Thanks. A ping would be appreciated if you reply. Doug Weller talk 13:16, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for your note. well, as far as notability in year articles, I think, the standards for that are no different than the standards for WP:Notability in general. If you want my own feelings on that, the simplest answer is that I am absolutely an inclusionist. absolutely. that is why I like working on current year articles. if a fact is out there, let's grab it!!! snag that puppy before it goes by!!! put it in a timeline article, where the fact collerctors at Wikipedia can add it to their collection, put it under glass, and enjoy it for years to come!! lol!! . well, that's my own personal outlook on this. so who are some of these poets who have red links? were they published? were they notable? was their work published, either in books, or else perhaps in major publications? Please feel free to let me know. if so, let's get them in!! I'd be happy to work with you on this. let me know.


 * by the way, it is a pleasure to hear from you on this. I am currently in the midst of a major reworking and revamping of WikiProject History. but after that, I hope to move on slowly to revamping other WikiProjects over the course of time. I am mainly thinking about history-related WikiProjects, since I am the lead coordinator at WikiProject history, which i consider the umbrella group for other history-related projects. but I am willing to look at entirely different subject areas, for other WikiProjects. so we can see how that goes, over time.


 * actually, you came along just at the right time. would you like to help me at WikiProject History? I could really use your input. Actually, you can be my co-pilot there if you want. the position for that is wide open!! would you like to come over there? please feel free to let me know. I would welcome your input. thanks!!! --Sm8900 (talk) 14:08, 29 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I must have been thinking of something else, perhaps deaths, where the criteria is inclusion in other projects. Although I'm interested in history (and definitely archaeology), I have a watchlist of almost 20,000 and am a Checkuser and Oversighter, and of course an Admin, and really don't have time to do anything else. I'm days behind in filing an SPI! Doug Weller  talk 14:28, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * okay no problem, !! but if that's the case, feel free to stop by WikiProject History if you get a chance, and to give the place a three-minute once-over, and then let me know anything that I'm doing right, wrong, or should do differently. and then after that, you can vanish like the wind!! if you want. anyway, your input is always welcome, and appreciated. Please feel free to write any time. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 14:32, 29 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I agree with the concept of inclusion, particularly in years projects. I would even go a step further, and I would like to see a revision of the policy regarding "notable deaths" because it tends to exclude non-Anglos and runs contrary to the priority of "diversity." Most contributors to English-Wikipedia are either North Americans or British, so articles about events or people tend to come from these areas. When writing about people or things that happened twenty or more years ago, it is probably best to simply add the information without creating red links. Unless you intend to write the articles yourself, they probably won't get written. Michael E Nolan (talk) 15:54, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * On another but related subject, I have also questioned the standards on inclusion or exclusion of events. Yesterday I posted on 2020 about a strong earthquake on (7.1) in the Caribbean that was felt in six countries but fortunately caused no significant damage. Someone suggested that such events should not be reported if there are not at least 1,000 deaths. I'm open to adhering to standards, but where are they published? Michael E Nolan (talk) 15:54, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for your reply ! I appreciate your great points above. as far as notability for earthquakes, they fall in the category of natural events, not manamde disasters. therefore, as such the standard of notability depends on the intensity or magnitude of such an event, not any measure of the impact of humans or society. on that basis, that earthquake is definitely notable, and is definitely suitable for inclusion. I am glad you wrote to add your comments here. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 16:09, 29 January 2020 (UTC)