User talk:SmallJoe

ARA Suboficial Castillo (A-6)
I saw your edits on ARA Suboficial Castillo (A-6) and wanted to thank you for them. We always appreciate people who help make Wikipedia a better resource!

I cleaned up a few things, so please take a peek when you can and let me know if you have any problems - just go by my talk page (in my signature below). I will fix them as needed.

Finally, we do have a minor problem. The URL http://www.military.com/unitpages/history.do?ck_unit=80133&id=202013&historyId=700672 that you cited appears to require membership to access. If you could either find a way to access as a "read only" site or find the infomraiton elsewhere, it would be appreciated. I've left it under "External Links" for now, but we really need to fix that before one of the reference checking bots detect it and take it down.

Thanks again for your work here! KNHaw (talk) 04:55, 8 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reaching out on my talk page. First, don't sweat anything about computer literacy - there's lots of people willing to help out newbies and plenty of resources to teach you how to make mods yourself (see the stuff I posted above).  I've added your link, so take a look.


 * Also, regarding whether the article should be for the US or Argentine name of the ship, I did a brief search and it seems to done both ways. See ARA Comodoro Somellera (A-10) for the Argentine name and USS Luiseno (ATF-156), USS Asheville (PF-1), or USS Macabi (SS-375) for the US name (and for weirdness, see HMS Caicos (K505), a ship made for the US, loaned to the UK, returned to the US, and then sold to Argentina!).  Overall, they seem to stick with the original US name.  Also, the fact that the ship served 50 years in the USN but only 24 years (so far) in the Argentine Navy argues the main article should be for the US ship.


 * So, I'm going to post a question about rewriting the article under the US name and just having a redirect under the Argentine name on some of the arbitration forums (that's basically the place we go to make sure that different editors are working at odds with one another). I wouldn't be able to make such a change in good conscience without a ruling about that.  If I get an OK I'll do the work myself.  I'll try to post it tomorrow (unless work interferes) and then inform you of the results.  Probably by next week.


 * Finally, could you go to the military.com board and ask for two things: (1) If a moderator knows how to make content on the board publically available so it cna be linked from Wikipedia, and (2) if anyone there can give you other online references we can link to.


 * Thanks! KNHaw (talk)  05:52, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

ARA Suboficial Castillo (A-6) Update
(Repost form my talk page)


 * Thanks for touching base on this! I want to status you on the article.
 * First, I asked at HelpDesk and they pointed me to the standard for naming ships: Naming_conventions_(ships).  As I expected, "an article about a ship that changed name or nationality should be placed at the best-known name..."  The exception is "if the ship had significant careers in two navies, it may be best to create two articles with one ending at the transfer and the other beginning then..."
 * I think we have a strong case for rewriting the article as Takelma, but not for two articles. I'm going to post a suggestion on a few places and wait a week for any pushback.  If there is none, I'll go forward on this.
 * Regarding a photo, we're actually in luck with the www.history.navy.mil post you cited. All US government publications are, by definition, in the public domain (see "How to add a copyright tag to an existing image" in Media_copyright_questions).  I uploaded the photo and added it to the article.
 * Anyways, I will keep you in the loop on the article change. In the meantime, thanks for your work here.  If you have some time, please think about poking around articles that interest you and see if they need work as well.  KNHaw (talk)  02:46, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Anyways, I will keep you in the loop on the article change. In the meantime, thanks for your work here.  If you have some time, please think about poking around articles that interest you and see if they need work as well.  KNHaw (talk)  02:46, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Further update: I posted my proposal for the change in the talk page of the article and in Wikiproject Ships here.  I will let you know how it goes.  KNHaw (talk)  05:24, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Final ARA Suboficial Castillo (A-6) Update
I just wanted to let you know that the proposal for the rename closed out and it isn't going to happen. You can read the specifics at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Ships, but in a nutshell they felt that because the ship was still in active service with Argentina that that name should be used for now. Reading between the lines, I think it that when the ship is finally retired then both careers in their entirety can be weighed against each other and the decision can be revisited. Note that that's just my reading of it, though.

I'm sorry it didn't go the way you wanted, but I'm very glad that you were able to document your father's and his comrades' service. Thank you again for your contributions.

KNHaw</i> <sup style="color:SeaGreen;">(talk) 18:09, 20 February 2017 (UTC)