User talk:Smallegade10

Welcome
Welcome to Wikipaedia; thank you for your contributions. Xyl 54 (talk) 02:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Blue Riband
You made a number of changes to this article; I've reverted these as they are not correct. Your assertions that the Blue Riband only applied to westbound voyages, while the Hales trophy was for both east and west-bound trips, has the matter backwards, as the source given for the original statement makes clear. Your statement that the Hales is only awarded to single-hull passenger lines is also manifestly untrue, given its late 20th century history. What is particularly egregious is that you not only changed the text to say the opposite of what was there before, but you left the source in situ, implying the source given also said that: Which is misleading at best, and dishonest at worst. Please avoid doing that in future. Xyl 54 (talk) 02:33, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Who are you?? I am a Danish former executive in the shipping industry and, most recently, analyst in The Danish Shipowners Association (until 2014). I believe that it is YOU, who are turning facts upside down. I made extensive research on the Trophy when it came to be displayed in the Association's premises. I do not remember how I gained access to Arnold Klugas' writings on the subject, but - being now retired - I have googled this much: https://lowellsilverman.wordpress.com/2016/05/16/the-last-two-blue-riband-winning-ocean-liners-introduction/ - which quotes, inter alia, as regards the Blue Riband: According to Kludas, the following conditions had to be met by the vessel: “First, she had to cross the Atlantic at a higher average speed than the current holder of the Blue Riband. Second, the record crossing had to take place in the westbound direction, i.e. form Europe to America.” - I regret if I did, as you claim, write that Hales is only awarded to single-hull... With your back changes, that can no longer be verified. Moreover, I am not an expert in Wikepedia editing - in fact this is my first. In any case, we have to get this matter straightened out. As you have already written, there have have been changes to both the Riband and the Trophy and some available information is ambigious, but in essence I believe that you have misinterpreted Kludas, so that Wikipedia is now wrong. I would like to communicate privately in order to set matters straight. My e-mail is cirrus.cloud@direkte.org, and you are most welcome to write me there, and I will be most happy to engage in a constructive exchange, aimed at the above.

PS. After writing the above - and finding more time - I have looked deeper into available data. One of the most extensive studies of liner traffic on the Atlantic is: Seija-riitta Laakso: Across the Oceans - Development of Overseas Business - Information Transmission 1815–1875 - Studia Fennica - where page 165 reads: ........... In later historical research, the following rules have been accepted as putting an end to the confusion regarding the speed records of each time: The vessel should be in regular line traffic, westbound from Europe to North America. The eastbound records were considered to be of ‘second class’. As the routes were different, only the average speed was calculated. The record sailing from coast to coast did not mean from port to port. In earlier times it was often measured between Daunt’s Rock off Queenstown and Sandy Hook lighthouse off New York.457* .......... 457 Kludas, 10–16. Kludas’ study of the Blue Riband contest

So, unless you respond to this within 3 days I shall have to reverse your wrong input on both the Blue Riband and Hales Trophy in the interest of truts and credibility on Wikipedia. And I shall forget your slightly insolent side remarks.

Kind regards Michael

Hales Trophy
I've reverted your changes to this article also, as they contain errors, peacock phrasing and a non-neutral tone. I've preserved your first addition (about the current whereabouts of the trophy) but it is unsupported by any citation, so it needs to be backed up by a reliable source. Xyl 54 (talk) 02:38, 26 April 2019 (UTC)