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UELSports
Thank you! I've been trying to find the appropriate CSD template for the above article. It is actually 95% a copy/paste of University of East London, so a redirect might be applicable if PROD fails. - Sitush (talk) 16:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the slow response I've been a bit busy. I checkout out the UEL article but couldn't see the duplication you mentioned. For future reference, once a PROD is removed, whoever it is by, then it can't be retagged for PROD. I've sent the article to AFD now, as I think redirecting it without discussion would lead to edit warring. SmartSE (talk) 12:08, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification. I thought that if a PROD was removed without addressing the concerns, as happened in this instance, then it should be reinstated. Obviously, I got it wrong. I did do quite a big merge of colleges associated with Patna University last week without consultation, although I sought comments from User:C.Fred before actually instating redirects - surprisingly, there has so far been no issue with this even though previously C.Fred had had quite a tussle with someone regarding one of them. I would agree in this case that warring is likely, though: I cannot help but think there might be some COI involved. - Sitush (talk) 12:16, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Most of the duplication is in and around the University_of_East_London section, including stuff about the £21m development etc. The only non-duplicated information is the UELSports section detailing the degree courses on offer, which was originally straight out of the UEL prospectus until I edited it. - Sitush (talk) 12:19, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * No probs, I'm sure I've done it before and personally I think you should be able to revert them if they're removed without explanation. There's nothing wrong with being bold and redirecting as you did with Padna, that looks sensible, it's just that in a situation like this it is unlikely to hold. I see what you mean about the duplication more now, but WP:CSD only applies if it is an exact copy and doesn't add more, so wouldn't apply. Thanks for cleaning up uni articles though - they tend to be in a bit of a mess! SmartSE (talk) 12:35, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * It was an exact copy until I started messing about with it :) Since you seem to have some sort of interest in these articles (my involvement arises mainly when they appear on maintenance lists due to broken refs etc), I wonder if you could comment at WP:UNIGUIDE talk page re: my query about lists of honorary degree recipients? No obligation ... and definitely no rush! Thanks again. - Sitush (talk) 12:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassador Program
Please take a look at this project page and see if you can be a mentor to one of the many Areas of Study. If you can, please put your name in the "Online Mentor" area of the Area of Study of your choice and then contact the students you will be working with. As the Coordinating Online Ambassador for this project, please let me know if I can be of assistance. Take Care... Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 04:24, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

1 April DYK
I have launched your idea for arsole here, but don't know what you though for the hook. Expanding the article offline. Materialscientist (talk) 12:48, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Marking articles students are working on
Howdy, Online Ambassador!

This is a quick message to all the ambassadors about marking and tracking which articles students are working on. For the classes working with the ambassador program, please look over any articles being worked on by students (in particular, any ones you are mentoring, but others who don't have mentors as well) and do these things:


 * 1) Add  to the articles' talk pages.  (The other parameters of the WAP assignment template are helpful, so please add them as well, but the term = Spring 2011 one is most important.)
 * 2) If the article is related to United States public policy, make sure the article the WikiProject banner is on the talk page: WikiProject United States Public Policy
 * 3) Add Category:Article Feedback Pilot (a hidden category) to the article itself.  The second phase of the Article Feedback Tool project has started, and this time we're trying to include all of the articles students are working on. Please test out the Article Feedback Tool, as well.  The new version just deployed, so any bug reports or feedback will be appreciated by the tech team working on it.

And of course, don't forget to check in on the students, give them constructive feedback, praise them for positive contributions, award them The WikiPen if they are doing excellent work, and so on. And if you haven't done so, make sure any students you are mentoring are listed on your mentor profile.

Thanks! --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:14, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Liandra Dahl‎
Just wanted to comment on the rationale that you provided for removing the A7 CSD tag on the above mentioned article. It is apparent that you declined the deletion due to a claim of notability based on awards received. The subject actually has never received an award. Clever editing makes it appear that she has, but further review reveals the error in the claim. Since this is the fourth creation after previous speedy deletions, I went ahead and sent it for discussion. After deletion, it should probably be salted. If you're interested, the discussion page is here. Best regards,  Cind. amuse  18:52, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I agree it should be deleted, but I don't think in its current state it qualifies for A7 as it does claim that they are of some significance, even as you point out it is incorrect. AFD is the place to discuss it and of course, if (once) it is deleted and recreated G4 applies. Sorry if you think I made the wrong decision, I just feel it is better to double check that the community agrees before deleting something, rather than using speedy deletion as a super-vote for admins. SmartSE (talk) 19:12, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 21 March 2011
Delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 22:27, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

New Pages and New Users
I've recently been doing some thinking (and a great deal of consultation with Philippe and James at the WMF's community department) on how to keep new users around and participating, particularly in light of Sue's March update. One of the things we'd like to test is whether the reception they get when they make their first article is key. In a lot of cases, people don't stay around; their article is deleted and that's that. By the time any contact is made, in other words, it's often too late.

What we're thinking of doing is running a project to gather data on if this occurs, how often it occurs, and so on, and in the mean time try to save as many pages (and new contributors) as possible. Basically, involved users would go through the deletion logs and through Special:NewPages looking for new articles which are at risk of being deleted, but could have something made of them - in other words, non-notable pages that are potentially notable, or spammy pages that could be rewritten in more neutral language. This would be entirely based on the judgment of the user reviewing pages - no finnicky CSD standards. These pages would be incubated instead of deleted, and the creator contacted and shepherded through how to turn the article into something useful. If they respond and it goes well, we have a decent article and maybe a new long-term editor. If they don't respond, the draft can be deleted after a certain period of time.

I know this isn't necessarily your standard fare, but with your involvement in WP:NEWT I thought it might be up your alley. If you're interested, read Wiki Guides/New pages, sign up and get involved; questions can be dropped on the talkpage or directed at me. Ironholds (talk) 01:39, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Noteworthy
Noteworthy, which you prodded in February 2011, was undeleted after a request at DRV. Cunard (talk) 06:24, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. SmartSE (talk) 09:03, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Regulation of genetic engineering
Hi Smartse. Its been awhile, hope you are well. As you have showed interest in the past I thought you might like to look over a new page I just created. I originally was rewriting the relevant section under Genetically modified plant, but it grew into a bit of a monster. It is in no way finished (only really talks about crops, not much on medicine and other important areas), the politics behind it could be expanded (not really my forte) and the USA section relies too much on one source (laziness on my behalf). To be honest I started to get a bit bored and thought it would be better to throw it out here so other editors could work on it than let it fester away in my sandbox. I am hoping it is complete enough to survive as a main for the relevant GE articles. The Genetically modified organism (which was used as a base for this) could do with some tidying up. Might be appropriate for DYK, although I stole so much from other articles that it will take a bit of effort to confirm or deny 5X expansion. AIR corn (talk) 03:52, 26 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Aircorn, I'm good thanks, hope you are as well. I'm stuck with a steam-powered internet connection for the next few months as I'm in Rwanda, so can't really do any substantial editing, but the article looks good. I wonder whether if it should be split into a separate article specifically about the regulation of GM plants though. As we know, most GM is done in labs for scienctific purposes and I know that in the UK at least there are strict rules about ensuring they don't escape and there are severe consequences if they do. I'm not sure where you'd find the info about it, but it must be somewhere and I assume the situation is similar in other countries. I'm not surprised you got a bit bored either, it's a bit of a beast, but you're right it is best to move it to mainspace, I have plenty of stuff fermenting in my sandbox, but it will have to wait! SmartSE (talk) 10:03, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You're right. Again. There are basically three areas that I can think of with regulation: Permission to do the experiments/develop the organism, regulations governing the lab work, and then regulations that have to be followed for release. I got sidetracked with this article on the release, although to be fair that was the first thing that comes up in google scholar when you type "GM" and "regulations". I think the article titled "regulation of genetic engineering" should focus on these three headings and the current one should be moved to "regulation of the release of genetically modified organisms (or crops)" (wordy I know, maybe there is a better title) and made a main of that article. AIR corn (talk) 13:54, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Magnolia CMS page
Hi. We'd briefly discussed the Magnolia_(CMS) page back in Dec 2010 when I'd asked for comments on the revised text. Following your suggestion to contact Wikiproject Computing, I left a note some weeks ago (Feb 2011) |on the Wikipedia Computing project talk page asking editors to review the proposed draft and provide feedback. As of today there has been no response. Should I go ahead and publish the draft article as is? Or is there another way you can suggest for me to have the article reviewed by the Computing project? Please let me know as I'm not sure what the next step should be. Many thanks. Bkraft (talk) 10:48, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Bkraft, the points I made back in November don't appear to have been addressed yet. The most important thing is that the article is based on what independent publications have written about Magnolia. Use the sources mentioned on the talk page by yourself to rewrite the article in User:Bkraft/Sandbox and bear in mind that the article should not necessarily contain a history of releases or every single feature, unless independent sources have discussed them. I can't really help you more than that at the moment, but if you need more help you can post at the conflict of interest noticeboard and someone might be able to help you out. Good luck! SmartSE (talk) 09:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Looking for a mentor
Hi Smartse,

For years, I use Wikipedia as an avid reader. I analyzed a lot for my research, particularly in the fields of botany, painting and communication. Having been director of communications of a large international group and now a consultant in communications strategies, Wikipedia was very helpful for my work. Fascinated by the free encyclopedia ‘s world and convinced that the media is the future of knowledge transmission and communication, I would like to be sponsored to improve the quality of my contributions. I have already studied the tutorials and for now, I have made several minor edits. Found of Nature, I am deeply engaged in activities to safeguard biodiversity, particularly in the Amazon (as a painter, I outlined a series of paintings on medicinal plants of Amazonia, in various Art galleries). Fluent in Spanish and English, I think I can make some contributions in the fields above-mentioned.

I was impressed by your curriculum and i am sure your experiment in Wikipedia will be of great help. Many thanks in advance for your answer. Have a nice week-end --Wikmontmartre18 (talk) 17:48, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Wikimontmartre18, thanks for your note. I'm not really around here for the next few months, so I'm not sure that I could be much help to you. If you are interested in botany though, there is a lot of work to be done, particularly about Amazonian plants, so I wish you good luck! Hopefully you will still be around come Septmeber when I should be more active again and we can work on some articles! If you need help with anything plant realted ask at WT:PLANTS and someone will assist you. If you are fluent in Spansih, there are also some botany articles at Category:Science articles needing translation from Spanish Wikipedia which need translating to English. SmartSE (talk) 12:54, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Moved Task Force (band) to Taskforce (band)
Hi Smartse, in Nov 2010 you moved this this article, renaming it from Task Force to Taskforce citing this PR doc. I think we need to revert this - I have physical Task Force releases which use the band name all over the inlay material and I can assure you, it's two words. I think the PR doc you found publicising a show has misspelled the name. See also:


 * http://www.discogs.com/artist/Task+Force+%282%29
 * http://www.last.fm/music/Task+Force

If you're happy I'll revert this move. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.207.189 (talk) 11:38, 1 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Gahh, wrote a long reply, but then closed the tab... The short answer is that both seem to be used, but as I found before Taskforce seems to be slightly more common. Even Amazon are confused about it though using both if you search for "taskforce hip hop". I'm not sure what to use now, the links you gave aren't "reliable" as they often copy of Wikipedia, but more reliable sources still use both (sorry I can't get the links again, but search for "task force" hip hop and taskforce hip hop and you'll see what I mean. You won't be able to move it yourself, but if you really think that Task Force is right then I'll do it for you. (Have you heard rainy day science on sticksman by skitz - it's good!) Thanks SmartSE (talk) 14:39, 1 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Smartse. I wasn't aware of Sticksman but I'll definitely check it out - if it's even half as good as Countryman (which is one of my all-time favourites) I'll be happy :) On the subject, I've just checked the Countryman LP sleeve and found it uses 'Taskforce', so yes agreed both seem to be in common use - apologies!
 * Joelittlejohn (talk) 13:20, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a bit of a grower and perhaps not quite countryman, but it comes close. I guess you'd like http://www.certifiedbanger.co.uk/ too. Finally, look after that LP, it must be worth a lot, and I hope you found the Skitz article interesting, written by yours truly :) SmartSE (talk) 18:26, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

EditCounterOptin
Can you re-instate User:Buster7/EditCounterOptin.js. While doing some "watchlist cleaning" I must have inadvertantely expunged it, not fully understanding its purpose. Thanks. Buster Seven   Talk  15:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Buster I can if you want, but you can do it yourself - just click on the redlink, add any content to the page and then save it and it will be back. I'd prefer if you did it, just in case you account was comprised or something when the message above was left. I can do it in a few days for you though if you can't DIY. Cheers SmartSE (talk) 08:18, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

✅Buster Seven   Talk  16:19, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Nibyiza!! SmartSE (talk) 18:28, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Please help assess articles for Public Policy Initiative research
Hi ,

Your work as an Online Ambassador is making a big contribution to Wikipedia. Right now, we're trying to measure just how much student work improves the quality of Wikipedia. If you'd like contribute to this research and get a firsthand look at the quality improvement that is happening through the project, please sign up to assess articles. Assessment is happening now, just use the quantitative metric and start assessing! Your help would be hugely appreciated!

Thank you, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 17:14, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Electrolux addisoni ventral.jpg
Thank you for uploading File:Electrolux addisoni ventral.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, please add a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a brief restatement of that website's terms of use of its content. However, if the copyright holder is a party unaffiliated from the website's publisher, that copyright should also be acknowledged.

If you have uploaded other files, consider verifying that you have specified sources for those files as well. You can find a list of files you have created [ in your upload log]. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged per Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion, F4. If the image is copyrighted and non-free, the image will be deleted 48 hours after 03:46, 10 May 2011 (UTC) per speedy deletion criterion F7. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. You may wish to read the Wikipedia's image use policy. If you have any questions or are in need of assistance please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Magog the Ogre (talk) 03:46, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Paracerceis sculpta illustration.png
Thanks for uploading File:Paracerceis sculpta illustration.png. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file agreed to license it under the given license.

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 * make a note permitting reuse under the CC-BY-SA or another acceptable free license (see this list) at the site of the original publication; or
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If you did not create it entirely yourself, please ask the person who created the file to take one of the two steps listed above, or if the owner of the file has already given their permission to you via email, please forward that email to .

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If you need help, please ask me on my talk page. Cheers --Saibo ( Δ ) 21:59, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Removed per request. To others: permission will be done in the next weeks and there probably is one). Cheers --Saibo ( Δ ) 11:09, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * A reminder just in case you have forgotten it. :-) Cheers --Saibo ( Δ ) 20:34, 13 June 2011 (UTC) (waiting for this image to be used in de.Wikipedia)
 * Sorry had forgotten / been hindered by rubbish internet connections. Trying to get on to it now and will let you know the outcome. Danke for your patience! SmartSE (talk) 14:24, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Dank dir (thank you)! :-) Cheers --Saibo ( Δ ) 21:48, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That's sorted now. Thanks for the reminder. If you drop me an email I can also forward you some photos that the same author sent me (I can't upload them at the moment). SmartSE (talk) 19:33, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Smartse, thank you! :-) Great! Thanks for the "talk back" at my talk page - but I cannot forget it since this file is on our WP:TFPCOM todo list. I am just trying to get images and do not write the relevant article myself so you do not need to send me those photos.
 * If you got permission also for those photos just upload them to Commons when you have some free time and place them in the correct categories (you can drop me a note and I will do the categorization if you like). There is always the need for good images. For example: Commons did not have a single image of Paracerceis sculpta until now.
 * The image is transferred to Commons now and will be in the article in dewp soon.  Thank you again.  Cheers --Saibo ( Δ ) 20:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador sweatshirt
Hi! This is the last call for signing on for a Wikipedia Ambassador hooded sweatshirt (in case you missed the earlier message in one of the program newsletters about it). If you would like one, please email me with your name, mailing address, and (US) sweatshirt size. We have a limited number left, so it will be first-come, first-served. (If more than one size would work for you, note that as well.)

Cheers, Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 19:43, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Please take the Wikipedia Ambassador Program survey
Hi Ambassador,

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Invitation for a short research survey
Hi, I am a PhD student at Carnegie Mellon University doing some research into editing and reverts on Wikipedia. I am looking for editors who have done some editing to Genetics articles on Wikipedia in the past as participants in a short survey. The survey will take about 10-15 minutes, and will help me model what sorts of things are reverted on Wikipedia so that I can develop interfaces and tools for newcomers and administrators. If you would like to participate, please complete the survey on SurveyMonkey here. You can find out more about me on my user page and personal home page. I'm more than happy to talk more about this research on my talk page, and thank you for your time. JeffRz (talk) 19:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for participating in the survey. I realize it's an odd question to ask about Wikipedia articles, so I appreciate your efforts. I actually chose that article because it had a low vandalism rate, since I'm filtering vandalism out anyway. Vandalism is definitely closer to being a solved problem, whereas identifying conflict, vocabulary conventions, and other more subtle trends in edits remains. Counter-intuitively, even single words can be good enough to identify reverts beyond just 'rvv', including things like editor conflict (something a newcomer would want to avoid) and troublesome terminology that's been discussed on the talk pages. Your feedback will help me refine this model, which if successful will be turned into an interface to help with Wikipedia editing and encourage newcomers. Thanks again. JeffRz (talk) 13:28, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Winterbourne, Gloucestershire
An article that you have been involved in editing, Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Skinsmoke (talk) 10:32, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Idea
Create a mini-project to bring the articles of Neda, Mohamed Bouazizi, Khaled Said, and Hamza Ali Al-Khateeb up to GA/FA status. Possibly expand to include others whose deaths became symbols of war and peace (i.e. Pat Tillman). Would you like to work on something like this? Ocaasit 23:47, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


 * WikiProject_Council/Proposals/HistoryBioLife. Might need a new name, but check it out... Ocaasit 04:02, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Edits to cannabis articles
I agree there is a problem here with single-purpose editors publishing their brain-farts and revealing obsessions on the cannabis-related articles--expect a new one anytime now, as in between Tokes he wiggles through and attacks our contributions--but please hang in there and help me to improve and maintain them. I see you're an administrator so I'll refrain from un-needed advice but I could use some help in this.Mjpresson (talk) 00:34, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the slow response... I don't have much time at the moment, but I'd advise you to try and explain to TD about why their edits are problematic. I know it's been done before, but if it's explained again and they carry on, then maybe the community will see sense and realise that they don't have enough clue to edit here... Drop me a note if you need some advice. SmartSE (talk) 17:46, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Planetary boundaries
Ah indeed, I'm well aware it is not long enough. I plonked it on DYK assuming I would add the necessary content in short time. But other events interceded, some of which you may have noticed. I might be able to pad it appropriately over the next day or two, and I would appreciate it if you check back to see if I managed that. --Epipelagic (talk) 14:09, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No, on second thoughts wipe that. It's mostly within the tables that I want to add content (who decided tables don't count?) --Epipelagic (talk) 14:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:WIADYK #2 "Articles must have a minimum of 1,500 characters of prose (ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables etc.)". I agree it is a bit stupid sometimes - maybe if there is sufficient prose inside the table then we can make an exception, but we'd have to see. (And yes I noticed the "other events", Viriditas @ 09:46 summed it up well.) Drop me a note if you think there might be enough text in the table to count. Cheers SmartSE (talk) 14:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions to Planetary boundaries.
Thank you for your contributions to Planetary boundaries. 99.190.80.245 (talk) 06:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Err well I didn't really do anything... btw please make an account, it makes it a lot easier to discuss things with you. Thanks SmartSE (talk) 17:58, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

File:Simarouba_amara_sapling1.JPG and File:Simarouba_amara_sapling2.JPG
Denise Hardesty was the source. They were marked as having an email received but permissions not confirmed, since November 8 2010 and were deleted in April, six months later. I do not notify because I cannot keep track of who has been notified and who has not. And then some people don't enable email notification and complain that I should do an SUL check and leave them a message at their most active wiki. I'm often the only one working the English-language permissions queue and clearing out unapproved OTRS pending/received items, leaving me little time to handle other backlogs on Commons. I give 30 days from receipt of the initial email or the first application of OTRS pending, whichever is the latest, to resolve an image's status. We had a bot that would notify people automatically but it is no longer operational. Would be nice to have the resources Wikipedia has, both in terms of people and automated processes. Images can always be restored if permission is confirmed. The form at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Email_templates can be used, as the original statement from Denise Hardesty stated that approval was only for Wikipedia and also did not define license terms. – Adrignola talk 20:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Toker
Hi Smartse, I wanted you to know I'm working on this, and making no secret of it. I feel there is a lot of damage to the project by this "user". Mjpresson (talk) 16:44, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Mwh... there are probably more worthwhile things to work on, but thanks for the link anyway. SmartSE (talk) 15:20, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I know that. Like the seven articles I created for the Portuguese WP this week. I'm not obsessing. Mjpresson (talk) 15:43, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Dracula vampira
Thanks for your contribution to GLAM/ARKive - keep up the good work! Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:09, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Mohammed dolphin
Tell me how an obvious peacock phrase "one of the top producers in the middle east" is enough to pass A7. It's obvious empty praise. Meaningless words thrown in just to make the subject feel better. Totally unverifiable, so rip it out and A7. Don't be a process wonk. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 20:12, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Plese look again
Our text - The Great Lakes are one of the world's most important natural resources—holding one fifth of the world's fresh surface water, home to more than 150 species of fish, and vital to the economy of Ontario and neighbouring U.S. states. But several kilometres from Lake Michigan lurks a threat that could change the Great Lakes forever. The fish known as Asian carp could wipe out native fish species, devastate sport and commercial fisheries, and cause far-reaching changes to the Great Lakes ecosystem." DNA curp has been found past barrier.

There text [http://www.timeonthewater.ca/carp_story.html The Great Lakes are one of the world's most important natural resources—holding one fifth of the world's fresh surface water, home to more than 150 species of fish, and vital to the economy of Ontario and neighbouring U.S. states. But several kilometres from Lake Michigan lurks a threat that could change the Great Lakes forever. The fish known as Asian carp could wipe out native fish species, devastate sport and commercial fisheries, and cause far-reaching changes to the Great Lakes ecosystem." DNA curp has been found past barrier.].Moxy (talk) 21:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Woops, I should have spotted that before. In searched for various parts of the article in the link but couldn't find them. For future reference, cases like this should be tagged as WP:CSD rather than F9 which only applies to files. SmartSE (talk) 08:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Ambassador Program: assessment drive
Even though it's been quiet on-wiki, the Wikipedia Ambassador Program has been busy over the last few months getting ready for the next term. We're heading toward over 80 classes in the US, across all disciplines. You'll see courses start popping up here, and this time we want to match one or more Online Ambassadors to each class based on interest or expertise in the subject matter. If you see a class that you're interested, please contact the professor and/or me; the sooner the Ambassadors and professors get in communication, the better things go. Look for more in the coming weeks about next term.

In the meantime, with a little help I've identified all the articles students did significant work on in the last term. Many of the articles have never been assessed, or have ratings that are out of date from before the students improved them. Please help assess them! Pick a class, or just a few articles, and give them a rating (and add a relevant WikiProject banner if there isn't one), and then update the list of articles.

Once we have updated assessments for all these articles, we can get a better idea of how quality varied from course to course, and which approaches to running Wikipedia assignments and managing courses are most effective.

--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 17:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User talk:Flylanguage
I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 18:02, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The page does not meet this CSD criterea. In any case talk page access removal is needed instead.Jasper Deng (talk) 18:07, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll do that. But I'll also remove the templated message accusing me of creating attack pages. SmartSE (talk) 18:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors: Time to join pods
Hello! If you're planning to be an active Online Ambassador for the upcoming academic term, now is the time to join one or more pods. (A pod consists of the instructor, the Campus Ambassadors, and the Online Ambassadors for single class.) The Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) explains the expectations for being part of a pod as an Online Ambassador. (The MOU for pods in Canada is essentially the same.) In short, the role of Online Ambassadors this term consists of:
 * Working closely with the instructor and Campus Ambassadors, providing advice and perspective as an experienced Wikipedian
 * Helping students who ask for it (or helping them to find the help they need)
 * Watching out for the class as a whole
 * Helping students to get community feedback on their work

This replaces the 1-on-1 mentoring role for Online Ambassadors that we had in previous terms; rather than being responsible for individual students (some of whom don't want or help or are unresponsive), Online Ambassadors will be there to help whichever students in their class(es) ask for help.

You can browse the upcoming courses here: United States; Canada. More are being added as new pods become active and create their course pages.

Once you've found a class that you want to work with&mdash;especially if you some interest or expertise in the topic area&mdash;you should sign the MOU listing for that class and get in touch with the instructor. We're hoping to have at least two Online Ambassadors per pod, and more for the larger classes.

If you're up for supporting any kind of class and would like me to assign you to a pod in need of more Online Ambassadors, just let me know.

--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 16:36, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

PS: There are still a lot of student articles from the last term that haven't been rated. Please rate a few and update the list!

Paul Spiring
Thanks for the edits on this. I have a strong feeling that there's a deal of WP:AUTO activity going on here, and in related Sherlockiana articles. If you check out a linksearch - - you find rather of lot of IP-inserted citations to PS's personal website; and there are also some fairly irrelevant insertions into articles such as Peter Spiring. The guy is merely a biology teacher who has written some books (and I'm fairly sure the publisher, MX Publishing, is a self-publishing outfit). 86.171.103.2 (talk) 03:12, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem and thanks for pointing out the links. They should probably be removed as personal websites are generally not considered reliable sources but that probably needs checking first. I've commented at WP:COIN about the article in general - it is probably easier to discuss it there rather than here. Cheers SmartSE (talk) 17:21, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Platypodium elegans
Materialscientist (talk) 08:02, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Paul S. Farmer
Thank you for helping me with the MA cert! --Paul Stephen Farmer (talk) 11:35, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

City Harvest Church
Good faith edits are not vandalism; however, removal of well-sourced content with no or frivolous reason given, especially by a user who has previously had the error of their ways clearly explained to them, is. (WP:VAND: Removing all or significant parts of a page's content without any reason, or replacing entire pages with nonsense. Sometimes referenced information or important verifiable references are deleted with no valid reason(s) given in the summary. However, significant content removals are usually not considered to be vandalism where the reason for the removal of the content is readily apparent by examination of the content itself, or where a non-frivolous explanation for the removal of apparently legitimate content is provided, linked to, or referenced in an edit summary.) Jpatokal (talk) 12:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

GS1 DataBar Coupon
Thanks for restoring the deleted sections to this article. I was slightly reticient to restore the material immediately on the basis that someone might have been in a position to assert it had been obtained as a result of a breach of confidence. I should probably have had the courage of my convictions. I agree that your example is much better and was unaware of the heated debate over the publication of the Rorschach test images.

Thanks again. FrankFlanagan (talk) 22:02, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

New to talk pages
I signed on to Wikipedia several years ago but had not edited until recently. I'm not sure who Smartse is, but I'm replying to hiser (his or her) welcome to Wikipedia. This note is just to introduce myself. You can find plenty more about me by searching for "sedgehead" on the internet (Philip E. Hyatt). I had an early interest in birds that eventually led to 17 years with the US Forest Service as a botanist and ecologist at the end of my formal career. I'm partly retired now, but working full time as a writer and editor, freelancing from home. I started to teach myself Chinese in 2004, which has led me to work remotely in China. That is, I live in Arkansas but all my work comes from Chinese scientists and businesses. I translate Chinglish to English, mostly. This has led me back to wikipedia in the last few months, where I have found an abundance of lacking names like the Maowusu Sandylands, the Xinjiang Oasis, and Xinshui Basin in Shanxi Province. That is, I can try to find some fairly major geographic areas on wikipedia and fail to come up with wikipage! Last week it was a huge basin in northern China which had not page. I forget the name. I can't build wikipedia by myself, but I'm gradually encouraging my thousands of Chinese friends to start editing wikipedia. Their English may not be great, but then I've never been to China! Sedgehead (talk) 20:05, 26 September 2011 (UTC)sedgehead

Xin River and editing
Thanks for your reply. I have a few quick thoughts. First, I'm looking at playing with starting a new page on the Xin River in China... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sedgehead/Xin_River.

I've mostly played with minor edits on wikipedia, but I'm developing some areas of expertise and may get more aggressive with wikipedia work in the future. As for Carex, I still have an interest, but it is not as active. I'm more interested in learning and mastering Chinese at the moment. I'm teaching myself.

My last two US Forest Service supervisors had one criticism of me. "You write emails that are too long." My solution? Retire from the agency and become a full time writer. I have a busy day ahead so I won't do much on wikipedia today. Just playing. But serious work.

As for China, I have two questions, one of which I'll probably find on W myself. That one is, "What makes a good reference?" Obviously, I know the answer and can find more details on W's website. I can't read http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%98%95%E6%B0%B4%E6%B2%B3 but I'm assuming citing W for an English article is a valid source. 我不会中文很好， 可是我常常学. My second question is one I would like an answer to. I see several research articles every week from China. This is my job. I edit them to improve the English. I know I can't publish the research on Wikipedia! For example, I can't tell you the details of the effect of climate change on a Chinese province. But I can take a location like the Xin River or the Xin River Basin and edit or create an Wikipedia page for it. My question? Can I cite unpublished information? I just answered my own question! No.

I'll have to play around with this to get better at it. Back to work! Sedgehead (talk) 18:28, 27 September 2011 (UTC)Sedgehead — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sedgehead (talk • contribs) 13:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Interesting news! I managed to visit the Chinese version of wikipedia to find references on the Xin River.  I don't understand the second and third references, which google translates as "letters," but I will check that further.  The good news?  The first reference is a research article on the river.  I contacted my Chinese friends who sent me the Chinese version of the article.  I was able to translate it on Google and with the help of other Chinese friends, enough to get the title into a .ref. code.  I updated a bit of info and included the reference.  Tomorrow (probably) I will read the rest of the article (in Chinese) and be able to add a fair amount of details on the river's quality, pollution, protection measures, hydrology, and physical characteristics in the drainage!  Wow!  Such fun!  Sedgehead (talk) 04:14, 25 October 2011 (UTC)Sedgehead.

Question
Posted in error. Feel free to delete. And feel free to tell me how to delete it and I'll delete it! Sedgehead (talk) 18:29, 27 September 2011 (UTC)Sedgehead

Question
How did you reply to my note? I don't see a way to do that. Thanks for the info too! I use scholar.google daily for my editing work. I was just assigned several massive editing jobs out of China this morning, so I'll be busy. But as I once hear, "If you want to get something done, ask a busy person. People who are not busy dont accomplish much." Sedgehead (talk) 18:26, 27 September 2011 (UTC)Sedgehead

Update on courses and ambassador needs
Hello, Ambassadors!

I wanted to give you one last update on where we are this term, before my role as Online Facilitator wraps up at the end of this week. Already, there are over 800 students in U.S. classes who have signed up on course pages this term. About 40 classes are active, and we're expecting that many more again once all the classes are up and running.

On a personal note, it's been a huge honor to work with so many great Wikipedians over the last 15 months. Thanks so much to everyone who jumped in and decided to give the ambassador concept a try, and double thanks those of you who were involved early on. Your ideas and insights and enthusiasm have been the foundation of the program, and they will be the keys the future of the program.

Courses looking for Online Ambassadors
Still waiting to get involved with a class this term, or ready to take on more? We have seven classes that are already active and need OA support, and eleven more that have course pages started but don't have active students yet. Please consider joining one or more of these pods!

Active courses that really need Online Ambassadors:
 * Sociology of Poverty
 * Architectural Design
 * Introduction to Educational Psychology
 * Intro to Mass Communication
 * Psychology Seminar
 * Theories of the State
 * Advanced Media Studies

Courses that may be active soon that need Online Ambassadors:


 * Housing and Social Policy
 * Anthropology, Wikipedia, and the Media
 * History & Systems
 * Horror Cinema
 * Digital Media... just bits in a box
 * Composition I
 * Telecommunications Management
 * Training Systems
 * Stigma: Culture, Deviance, Identity
 * Art and Terrorism
 * Political Violence and Insurgency

--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 23:15, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Read over new article to check for conflict of interest
On Sept. 19 you responded to my question about creating an employer article despite having a conflict of interest as an employee, and you offered to read over a draft of that article before it got posted officially. If you could, can you visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eschind/Peter_J._Solomon_Company and check it out? Thanks!


 * I took a quick look at it and have three comments. 1) I deleted unnecessary spaces.  I thought only my Chinese friends put a space before a period, but you did too!  2) I doubt wikipedia uses ampersands (&), and I'd replace them with "and" in a heartbeat.  3) Like me, you should use four tildes (~) to sign your comments on the talk page, like this . . . Sedgehead (talk) 17:04, 1 October 2011 (UTC)Sedgehead


 * Ok thank you for your help!
 * Eschind (talk) 19:13, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Smartse - thanks for looking over the article. I've worked on the page some more; unfortunately there are not tons of news articles that have featured us directly -- the firm is mentioned in the news usually when we have advised on a transaction or in relation to Mr. Solomon himself. You had mentioned the possiblity of using sources found from Google books -- were you impyling that a readable version may be online somewhere or that I'd have to find a physical copy of the book itself and scan it?  Please let me know if the current level of sourcing is sufficient. Thanks again.
 * Eschind (talk) 17:33, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi again, I saw the changes and it is moving in the right direction, but it still needs more work. I'll get back to you again soon. SmartSE (talk) 10:25, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Smartse - I know you are busy, but I wanted to check back with you regarding the status of the page and your comments on next steps. Thanks. Eschind (talk) 22:15, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting back to me on the article -- I will do what I can to find book material and cite as much as possible. I agree that it may be ideal to have an article on Mr. Solomon himself, and that's a good possibility for the future, but in the interest of time and simplicity, for now I'd like to stick with one for the company, even if it's short and simple. Thanks again and I'll have you take another look when I'm finished making edits. Eschind (talk) 15:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Was able to work some more on the article tonight and have finished adding a couple more citations -- reworded some sentences, took out one about Mr. Solomon that was irrelevent, and added another news article and two book references that I was able to find. I believe the sourcing now should be adequate and would like to make the article live as soon as we can. Lastly, I would appreciate your help in uploading a logo image.  Thanks! Eschind (talk) 01:33, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Just dropping you a friendly reminder to take a look at the article when you have a moment - thanks! Eschind (talk) 06:38, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for moving the article live -- is there a reason it does not appear in the drop down menu when I begin to search for it? Even typing in "Peter J. Solomon" yields no results, although it does give the article link on the 'no results' page. Is this just because the article currently does not have many hits that it does not appear in the search?Eschind (talk) 14:29, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok no problem -- thanks again for volunteering your time; I really appreciate your efforts! Eschind (talk) 23:02, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Copyright Infringement
Hi, I think Im a little confused...I did not copy the "entire content from the page", for potaoes... that article is a whole page, and deals with different regions.. my edits were a few lines and were paraphrased, and then sourced. Okay, so I think as far as I understand from copyright laws, things need to be sourced or need to be quoted if its a direct copy and paste .. then sourced. If the article is sourced and its put in your own words but is still sourced, it should not be a copyright infringement right? For the Ann Van Zyl article, it came from three sources, one of them was a biographical page in chronological order - so it may look like a simple cut and paste with minor changes... It was sourced as well, but it wasnt from copy and paste , if I just 'copied and pasted' the whole article... I would have just put quotes around it and called it a day....but when it come to chronology its hard to rewrite the order of historical events, again it was all sourced... -- When you are referring to earlier notices about infringement I think you are referring to the ONE from August 2010 - there is only one of them on this page, and this is b/c i took a section from wiki and included it on to another wiki page to combine an article and didnt know we had to source content from another wiki page about the same topic. Please can you be specific with the examples so I understand and also with the the ones you want me to check.. The Ann van Zyl one was deleted so I cant go back to compare that to the original. If you do not have time to go in depth, then maybe the investigation would be quicker, otherwise, I will need more details then you copied an pasted the entire article which I know i didnt, ..also I think in future it would be helpful if we couls still have access to the article so that changes can be made before republishing.....that article took some time to write, (b/c it wasnt just copy and paste), so please advise thanks... --MsTingaK (talk) 02:22, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I am a bit busy at the moment to reply in full, but I will get back to you soon. SmartSE (talk) 10:25, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

-- Thank you for your detailed response and the information that was emailed. I will updated the page with your suggestions and input in mind. Thank you --MsTingaK (talk) 23:42, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Tahir Abbas
'Please discuss on the talk page why the THES article should be removed. Just because the link is dead does not mean we cannot reference it - there is even an archive link included which works fine. If you have evidence that the story has been retracted, then please contact me on my talk page and we can discuss how this can be verified. Thanks SmartSE (talk) 17:04, 6 October 2011 (UTC)'

Please note that the article from the THE has been taken off the the original website. Although the webcitation link works, it is out of date. If you search for the original article itself, you will notice that it is no longer there. You can see this for yourself. I got in touch with wibcitation.org. They will remove the archive when a direct email from the THE is sent to them early next week. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.191.25.85 (talk • contribs)


 * Ok, you still aren't making it clear why the article has been removed though and this is what determines whether we should reference it or not. Unless the story has been retracted then we should continue to reference it. SmartSE (talk) 10:25, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi -- re this, I assume that what matters is not whether the original story is or is not on the web, but whether it has been retracted. Since there is no evidence of retraction (and in any event no requirement that a source be available on-line), what matters is the fact of publication.  Does this sound right?  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:49, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep that's right - seeming as the IP isn't exactly communicative I'll drop THE an email to try and find out what the deal is. The IP has obviously been in contact as the webcite version is not visible either. I'll keep you updated, but in the meantime we should leave it out just in case it has been retracted. SmartSE (talk) 22:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough -- I'll be interested to hear about what they say. FWIW, a site search here doesn't turn up anything. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:19, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Still waiting for a reply... SmartSE (talk) 09:59, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing from the THE yet? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:23, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No - do you want to have a go instead? I emailed the guy listed at webcitation as the copyright holder. SmartSE (talk) 09:22, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I sent an e-mail to that person on Wed 2 November, also unanswered to date. Bikerprof (talk) 13:28, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There is at least one online source that still reproduces the piece. Naturally it would be best to have a THE clarification of the article's standing. Bikerprof (talk) 18:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Carl Rettenmeyer
Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Nice design and thanks

 * First off, quite an excellent geometric design you have made, I try to make those myself, just with a pen and a ruler though. Secondly, thank you for your edits on the article I've been editing. I wouldn't want to impose on you and Im sorry if i do, but i do need help and Im taking all the help I can get. If you could continue to monitor that page I would greatly appreciate it, and if not, I understand. Thank you.--Krustev LeMont (talk) 02:38, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks - pens and rulers always scared me, I did try making one using thread but it didn't work, so now I'm moving on to trying to code them in C++... No problem for the edits and sorry for my italic fail. I'll keep an eye on it and in the meantime, try searching for Spathularia in google books and google scholar. If you can't access any papers in google scholar, drop me an email and I can probably send you a .pdf. Sasata is right though that writing articles about genera is difficult - you might want to concentrate on each species' article first. Good luck and let me know if you need help with anything. SmartSE (talk) 17:02, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Notice of discussion on voting patterns
Hi, I am contacting you to make you aware of a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom, as you appear to have been implicitly reffered to within this discussion as an editor who has previously commented on this matter elsewhere or involved in reversions pertaining to this. Any comments to reach a consensus are welcomed. I have endevored to comply with guidelines with this notice. . Thanks, Zangar (talk) 12:34, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

User Rvancopp
I just gave a final warning on his editing, then noticed you had asked to be notified if he continued in the Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard discussion. --Ronz (talk) 20:03, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note, I don't think adding bold is quite bad enough to warrant a block and it is still possible make some useful edits given the right encouragement. I'll keep an eye on them over the next few days and take action if necessary. SmartSE (talk) 20:12, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

First of all understand I do not work for Demag. My race, religion, gender and where a person learned about a subject like a University should not be questioned. The conflict of interest statement has been used to justify going after all edits I have done in one shot. I am trying to make time as soon as possible and I want to do it in the positive way you mentioned. I just want to help and whatever is needed and within the rules works for me, but right now I can't keep up Rvancopp (talk) 21:13, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I strongly suspect Rvancopp is primarily focused on promoting the Demag brand (using SEO) rather than building an unbiased body of information. [http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ruedi-van-coppenolle/1a/65/3b3 Here is an example. ] thanks for understanding. --Restocking (talk) 03:10, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, but it's worth giving them one more chance. If they carry on, I won't hesitate to take action. SmartSE (talk) 10:20, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Synthetic Cannabis
"Hi, I've redirected your article to synthetic cannabis as the specific product you created an article on does not appear sufficiently notable to have a separate article. The previous consensus at the talk:synthetic cannabis was to just have one article, rather than separate ones for each brand like spice and K2. If you think I'm wrong on this, please start a new section at the SC talk page. Thanks SmartSE (talk) 10:15, 27 October 2011 (UTC)."

Re Trainwreck Hayze:

Hi Smartse,

Thanks for your interest. I do understand why you edited my entry out of this socially highly significant article. Perhaps you could help me solve the dilemma I see surrounding synthetic cannabis which is to do with the target readers for this article. As far as I'm concerned, as a scholarly but relevant and objectively insightful article it would rate 5 stars on every category, and is highly informative to the reader. I do see it receives an extremely  high amount of traffic and is subject to vandalism. The vandalism would be performed by the people who need (for their own welfare) to actually read (rather than skim) the article the most. This would also include those who are attempting to help users of synthetic cannabis stop doing so. As I searched Wikipedia, a simple and easy to understand summary of the basic facts which might affect a persons knowledge of synthetic cannabis  seems to be missing. A "who, what, when, where why" approach. I put the photo at the end in References because I saw there was no other relevant place to put it. Perhaps you could make some suggestions? I used the photo as a vehicle in other words for readers who would find the article scholarly and thus not read it. I did search Wikipedia and did not find a ready source of basic easy to understand information about synthetic cannabis. In other words, yes, I agree, the way I referenced Trainwreck as a product does not warrant a separate article on synthetic cannabis,  but it has high traffic, and any other title I put on the article I wrote  will be lost in the shuffle. I hope that you might  edit the article I  wrote to Wikipedia guidelines and find a way to reference it to the main article as I think it is important, more easily accessible information. I think being open to new ways of doing things is vital for Wikipedia to really achieve what it sets out to do.

Thanks for your time. I like your attitude. That's an amazing graphic on your User page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justthinking25 (talk • contribs) 13:43, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Justthinking25. Thanks for taking the time to write a note explaining your thoughts. I understand what you are getting at, but it isn't our mission to specifically provide health information for drug users. Obviously in a complete and encyclopedic article we will cover these issues (like in the safety section) and ideally it will be easy for people to understand. If you think that there are sections in the SC article that you think are unclear or difficult to understand I'd encourage you to work to improve them, rather than starting a separate article where the facts are dumbed down. I haven't searched for SC sources for about a year but it is likely that more exist since then which could be incorporated. Other sources are present in the article and could be used to expand it further, for example this. If you want to find more, I'd advise using google scholar and high-quality media organisations such as the New York Times and the BBC, as often the smaller news organisations seem to have no clue what they are writing about (I'm saying that mainly due to the hundreds of articles written about people who were supposedly snorting bath salts, rather than "bath salts" which are drugs). If you find any sources in google scholar that you cannot access I will try to find them for you and email you a copy. I will try to do some work on the article again at some point, but it depends if I have time! Let me know if you have any other questions and thanks about the graphic! SmartSE (talk) 14:23, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Taizhou and comments on edits.
I just did some cleanup of the English on the Taizhou page (a city in China). I noticed "View History" allows the tracking of who has edited a page, and some tracking notes have comments. Can I leave a note there saying "improved the English" or some such? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sedgehead (talk • contribs) 15:54, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, see WP:ES for details. For edits like that, we often call them copy edits which you can abbreviate to c/e if you are feeling lazy. Edit summaries are more important when changing content on more active pages, but it's a good habit to get into. SmartSE (talk) 17:39, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I also found the location to write the note!  I had wondered what c/e meant.  Sedgehead (talk) 04:14, 31 October 2011 (UTC)Sedgehead

THEATRON (3D Visualisation Project)
According to accomplish the academic assessment,as a group, Shirley O'Neill user:shiz146, Beck Tanguser:Becktang and Laura Sinclair user:lauz888are dedicated to complete the wikipedia page about THEATRON (3D Visualisation Project,) after the objective research on primary and secondary resources as well as communication with the participants of the project such as Mark Childs and Drew Baker, as we want to get information as much as possible which we think we have now. We do feel passionate about this topic and wish to have our page up and running.

Kind Regards THEATRON (3 Visualisation Project) group--Becktang (talk) 16:47, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi

We already got quite a lot of secondary resources about Theatron like books, news and journals all those are critical to the topic. and we are going to discuss the positives and negatives of the application, we are not just looking into the product in a single perspective, so that we can keep our objective view to the topic. So PLEASE help us to put the page back on. This is the secondary resources we come across at the moment:-

Representing the Past: Essays in Performance Historiography By Matthew J. C. Cella, Charlotte M. Canning, Thomas Postlewait, p.210, University of Iowa Press, Iowa City, 2010;

'Giving Literature Virtual Life' in The New York Times, published on 21 March 2011;

Creation, use, and deployment of digital information By Herre van Oostendorp, Leendert Breure, Andrew Dillon, p.97, Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, 2005, New Jersey;

A companion to digital humanities By Susan Schreibman, Raymond George Siemens, John M. Unsworth p.123, Blackwell, 2004, Oxford;

Learning and Teaching in the Virtual World of Second Life edited by Judith Molka-Danielsen, Mats Deutschmann, p.9 Tapir Academic Press, Trondheim 2009;

Scaife. M, & Rogers. Y. (1996) External cognition: How do graphical representations work? International Journal of Human-Computer Studies, 45. 185-213.

Kind Regards THEATRON (3 Visualisation Project) group--Becktang (talk) 17:26, 31 October 2011 (UTC)


 * They've recreated the whole promotional article again at THEATRON and THEATRON3. MikeWazowski (talk) 14:53, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Grr. Some people just don't listen. SmartSE (talk) 16:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)