User talk:Smerus/Archive Jul 2007

English music
David, I'd appreciate your comments on the talk page here- Talk:Folk Music of England- some cleverclogs decided that English music should be redirected to Folk Music of England and has now created an absolute mess where you have to apply to get the whole thing moved back. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 23:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi David please have a look at the list of existing content I have made at Talk:Folk_Music_of_England. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 22:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Dear Smerus, thanks for your message. I have added a blast of self-righteous warning on the discussion page we have been using! I am not a great joiner of things but will no doubt put my name down shortly. Hope your trip went off well. Every good wish, Dr Steven Plunkett 09:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * David, could you have a look at the article structure I have laid out at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music of the United Kingdom and suggest what you think is lacking, needs improving or merging? Thanks Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 13:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Music of the United Kingdom project
Dear Smerus, after reading an edit to the opening of the article Classical music of the United Kingdom, on which I have been working on the 19th century, I have realised that I am not interested in music of the United Kingdom at all, but in music of the British Isles. I have therefore indicated my withdrawal from the project on the project page. I still think the project is a useful idea, but I think it should be retitled Music of the British Isles (and this article Classical music of the British Isles, etc. I do not think it is really possible to discuss Classical music of the United Kingdom meaningfully outside the historical dates within which the Kingdom has been united. This means that Scotland must be excluded until 1700s etc, (even if we go back to James I/VI we have to exclude James IV and his court music) and of course Dublin and Eire after 1920ish. Possibly there is room for such an article but it would need to be restricted to only music which in some specific way reflects the Union. I'm not particularly interested in that subject but I am interested in getting the various threads of traditional and classical music from these Isles into a good series of understandable resources. I'm still in the discussion for this so if you'd like to respond please do so at my user site. Best wishes with Braham and co, Dr Steven Plunkett 21:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Excellent! Thankyou... I will rejoin the project as soon as it changes its name! I have put in a sentence at the start of the 19th century section I was editing. bw Dr Steven Plunkett 21:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, sorry to bombard you with messages but need to get this right. It seems that British Isles is also a poisoned term because there is no reason why Ireland should be called 'British'! (see the British Isles page). Of course! So they suggest Britain and Ireland, and this term is meant to include all of the island of Britain and all of Ireland regardless of political entity. I suggest therefore (as I have suggested for the classical music of UK article) that the project could now become Music of Britain and Ireland (which will spread its net wider than at present) and that the classical (whatever that means) music page be of Britain and Ireland also, probably a sort of outline disambiguating to various separate section pages. Any reactions to this? Dr Steven Plunkett 23:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

can we close the debate on Cat:English musical groups?
Hi, I saw that you took my suggestion to create Category:English classical music groups. Does this mean that you no longer want to rename Category:English musical groups? And if so, could you add a note to that effect at the debate, so it can be closed as a speedy keep? Thanks, Xtifr tÃ¤lk 21:02, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Recat of singer articles
Hi. I see you are recategorizing some singer articles. I wonder if you could hold off for a while as we are in the middle of a bot run putting Opera Project banners etc on opera articles. We realize there are problems with the categorization but we still don't have a policy on this. At the moment opera singers are in the simple voice type cats. Peter Cohen has been talking about recategorizing and you may like to talk to him about this. Anyway we'd prefer to do this systemmatically. Thanks. -- Kleinzach 11:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. I hope we can all work together on reforming the category system. We are already seeing more cooperation between the Classical Music, Composers and Opera projects, because of the infobox problem and also the controversial activities of the Biography Project (and the Musicians Project).


 * I checked the opera singer cats (there are at least 122 of them) and wrote about them here. I don't know if you would like to take part in the discussion? Basically I have been saying that any reform we undertake has to be complete and systematic. I am also not keen on nationality based categories because they cause so many tedious edit wars. -- Kleinzach 00:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wagnerites and Anti-Wagnerites
Were you aware of the recently concluded second-time CFD? ? Regards, Defrosted 00:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I wasn't, but life's too short to lose sleep over it.--Smerus 08:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)