User talk:Smg1965

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Since Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by some search engines, including Google. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. --Charles (talk) 12:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

March 2009
Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Since Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by some search engines, including Google. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. Charles (talk) 17:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Please do not add inappropriate external links, as you did with this edit to Nutley, East Sussex. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing. — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 17:38, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Blocking editing?!?!?
Hi Jeff

Could you please explain who you are and why you are threatening to block me from editing.

Where is your contribution to the discussion apart from the threat! --Smg1965 (talk) 18:42, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I am a Veteran Editor with over 27,000 edits under my belt, sometimes involved in Recent Changes Patrol using Huggle. At 17:37 (UTC) yesterday, during one of my patrols, I noticed this edit, in which you restored external links that Charlesdrakew felt were spam (as evidenced by that editor's Edit Summary for this edit).  I am trying, as was Charlesdrakew, to protect Wikipedia from inappropriate external links, as we have been explaining to you on your user talk page, so to that end, one minute later I reverted your restoration and issued you standard warning Template:uw-hugglespam3.    — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 04:39, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Firstly Jeff the issue is whether I am a spammer or not as labelled by Charlesdrakew who from the moment I added the link deleted it without any discussion and labelled me a spammer. Viewing my history on Wikipedia it is clear that I am NOT a spammer but a relative Newbie.

Secondly the comments on my user talk page suggest I have not read the spamming guidelines. Just because Charlesdrakew and you think it is Spam does NOT make it so. It should be up for discussion as the guidelines are not black and white and I do not consider the link to be spamming because:


 * The site gives a history on the Manor House and the estate which is also relative to Nutley and Ashdown Forest, and also provides a good source of imagery of the area not contained on the Wiki
 * I have visited Pippingford Park during one of their events and at no time was solicited for an entry fee or charge for car parking but was free to roam un-hindered
 * The website provides no "point of sale", you can't purchase anything via the website
 * Any commercial activity Pippingford offers is of interest to a small majority of people in a specific market, as with any Historic Manor, Estate, Garden etc in Britain and the World they have to create an income to survive, this should not detract from it's historic and local importance. E.g. The Tower of London's Wiki page has an external link to Commercial website

Lastly I would be very happy to have this issue taken to the Wikipedia admins for a decision which I would respect. I would at the same time like them to look at the conduct of Charlesdrakew and yourself regarding the authoritarian attitude towards ordinary pedestrian users of Wikipedia.


 * Should Charlesdrakew be able to label myself and any other users as spammers
 * Should Charlesdrakew be able to delete additions without any discussion beforehand
 * Should Charlesdrakew be able to delete existing content without any discussion (the "Nutley Social Club" link added by another user) to justify my link deletion
 * Should Charlesdrakew be able to vacillate on HIS decisions as to which links should stay and be removed
 * Should Charlesdrakew be able "poke fun" at myself and other users
 * Should Charlesdrakew be able continuously undo changes without receiving any warnings as I myself did
 * Should you Jeff be able to threaten to ban my editing without discussion
 * Do you Jeff really think the link I have added and tried to justify politely is "Vandalism"?
 * If I was a spammer would I enter into so much discussion about this point and waste my time
 * Did you Jeff actually read the discussion on this before issuing your threat!

Once again I added the link to Pippingford Park in good faith as I was impressed by the area as far as free accessibility and its beauty and thought it would be beneficial to the Nutley page. It seems ordinary users are at the mercy of seasoned users who use their knowledge of Wikipedia to block any open access and discussion. I find this incredibly sad and abusive!