User talk:Smikect

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September 2010
Your account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia because it appears to be mainly intended or used for publicity and/or promotional purposes. Please read the following carefully.

Why can't I edit Wikipedia?

Your account's edits and/or username indicate that it is being used on behalf of a company, group, celebrity or other well-known individual, or organization for purposes of promotion and/or publicity. The edits may have violated one or more of our rules on spamming, which include: adding inappropriate external links, posting advertisements, and using Wikipedia for promotion. Wikipedia has many articles on companies, groups, and organizations, but it is considered inappropriate for such groups to use Wikipedia to write about themselves. In addition, usernames like yours are disallowed under our username policy.

Probably not. See WP:FAQ/Organization for a helpful list of frequently asked questions by people in your position. Also, review the conflict of interest guidance to see the kinds of limitations you would have to obey if you did want to continue editing about your company, group, or organization. If this does not fit in with your goals, then you will not be allowed to edit again. Consider using one of the many websites that allow this instead.
 * Am I allowed to make these edits if I change my username?

You are still welcome to write about something other than your company or organization. If you do intend to make useful contributions on some other topic, you must convince a Wikipedia administrator that you mean it. To that end, please do the following:
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 * Add the text on your user talk page.
 * Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with a new username you are willing to use. See Special:Listusers to search for available usernames. Your new username will need to meet our username policy.
 * Replace the text "Your reason here" with your reason to be unblocked. In this reason, you must:
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If you believe this block was made in error, please see how to appeal a block. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 17:40, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I have moved your user page from User:ParaBde44 to User:ParaBde44/44 Parachute Brigade (South Africa), as a subpage is a more conventional location. However, as this is a copy of a deleted article, it may be nominated for deletion through the MfD deletion process --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 17:43, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Just to let you know that I have cleaned this up. First, you may only have 1 unblock request at a time, and second, you may not handle your own blocks. Here are a few key questions:
 * Do you understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and not a business directory?
 * Do you understand conflict of interest?
 * Do you understand that to be considered for an encylopedia article, the subject must be considered to be notable?

You are currently blocked because your username appears directly related to a company, group or product that you have been promoting, contrary to the username policy. Changing the username will not allow you to violate the 3 important principles above. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 09:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


 * As I am the blocking admin, I will not be dealing with this unblock request, however the name "Para44" seems to be the same kind of name as the current one - i.e. it appears to represent an organisation. Your user name should represent you, not an organisation. Editors at Wikipedia are not representing anyone else (or appearing to do so), they are an individual. As such, your new name would not meet the username policy. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 13:04, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I have been informed by the Administrator that I could be violating the COI rule with the Article of 44 Parachute Brigade. I have a detailed reference listed in the bibliography at the end of the content where i have sourced the information and received permission from those parties to use this information. I am however a first Wiki time user and would appreciate assistance in unblocking the user ParaBde44 and the Article 44 Parachute Brigade. If I have violated any COI rules please let me know where I have duplicate content and I will either delete that content from my posting or obtain permission and reference those bodies within my Wiki Content, many thanks ParaBde44 (talk) 13:13, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Oops.. sorry, I put the unblock notice up, and then forgot to actually unblock you (I must be getting old!). I have now unblocked you so that you can request the user name change. Once again, my apologies! --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 23:19, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

User:Smikect/44 Parachute Brigade (South Africa) draft article
At the end of the draft, it says "extracts from..." - does that mean that you have just copied from those books? If so, it is a copyright violation - and it will be deleted.

What you need is some independent reliable sources to verify the information. The books can be part of this, but you can't just copy from them.

I'd prefer to see other sources apart from those books - do you have any? For example, newspaper/magazine/news coverage?

Regards, --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 09:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * As you are continuing to edit the article, but are not responding to this message, I am going to delete the draft as a copyright violation. I know that you are aware that there is a message waiting here for you, as you will have a big box at the top of the screen saying so. Please respond in the next few minutes, or I will delete the page with no further discussion. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 10:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I have replied to your message on my talk page, but I see that you have just recreated the page. Please read my response on my talk page carefully. I have re-deleted and protected the page from recreation. Once OTRS ticket numbers are available, to verify that the copyrighted content can be used, I will unprotect the page. Do not recreate the page at another title, as I will see this as deliberate disruptive editing, and you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 10:45, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Dear Steve,

I have commenced requesting for formal signed statements from the Authors and Content Providers that I have permission to utilize extractions from their work and will forward this onto Wikipedia as soon as I get it. I know some of the content is totally authentic and not listed on any website so should not infringe copyright, however if I dont succeed with their permission I will need to painstakingly recreate the entire content so that Wikipedia filters do not pick up that I have infringed any copyright

many thanks for your assistance and patience Smikect 13:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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44 Parachute Brigade
Hi Smikect, I'm an administrator and have taken the liberty of looking at the pre-deletion version of User:Smikect/44 Parachute Brigade (South Africa). While I agree with the article being deleted until the copyright problems are sorted out (there actually isn't any alternative) the article has promise. However, I think that it's over-long and contains a lot of material which is basically trivial to anyone not connected to the unit (eg, details of who did) and some wording which isn't encyclopedic (eg, material written from the perspective of the brigade rather than an impartial third party). Please bear in mind that you need to write for a wide audience and keep their attention and interest - the article shouldn't be written for veterans of the brigade, and will likely be edited down by other editors if it is. That said, I'm interested in seeing how this article turns out. Out of interest, do you have a copy of the article text? If not, I can email you a copy to assist with redeveloping the article to remove the copyright issues. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 12:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, sorry but I probably can't send you the material (as this would be distributing material with known copyright problems). Nick-D (talk) 12:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Dear Nick, thanks for the response, firstly I did as was instructed and I referenced every paragaraph in the article and I would like to share my results with you for further advice. I trust you can see my email address and would appreciate it if you can let me know your addy or email me at my addy and then I will send you my reference together with my analysis and perspective in terms of whom I should ask for a release to use their material. I can also send screen shots of every google search reference showing where the information is unique to my article and where content is duplicated elsewhere on the web. You are right, I think I'm going to re-write the entire article as if for a 3rd person and would like to send you samples of the before and after for your literary guidance. Some of the non-encyclopedic words are specific to jargon within the South African army and I will include the english equivalent in brackets in the final article. Finally I also think you are right, it is a bit long, I will shorten it. Many thanks for your assistance so far, I'm finally starting to make headway with this project. Actually all the admins have been helpful so far. Regards --Smikect 08:08, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Smikect, I'm afraid that I don't know enough about copyright rules to be able to help you - particularly as I imagine that most of the material in question will fall under South African copyright law (I'm Australian and struggle with understanding the Australian laws!). As general guidance, the person you need to contact is whoever owns the material, so it's the publisher for commercially-published material, the government for official records and individuals for private records. I imagine that it would be much easier to just reword the material as this is labour intensive, and it's unlikely that commercial publishers and the government will agree to release basically all copyright protections on their material as is required. I'd be happy to comment on the article as you develop it as you like - I'd suggest that you work on it on a sub page of your user page here (eg, at something like User:Smikect\44parabrigade) Cheers, Nick-D (talk) 12:04, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Nick, I'll do that, how does one create this sub page? Many thanks --Smikect 16:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC) Hi Nick, please disregard that last post of mine, I'm on it, many thanks --Smikect 16:36, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, Nick-D, for your information here is what I told Smikect about copyright on my talk page  The copyright parts are those that are extracts from the publications. As for the Brigade Archive content, I'd assume that the copyright for that would belong to either the South African Army, or the Government of South Africa- you'd probably need to ask at either Media copyright questions or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history to confirm this. However South African copyright law says The Copyright Act automatically protects works created by South Africans or in South Africa., which would seem to imply that the archives would also be copyrighted - there are no mentions of exceptions for Government works (which would include those of the Armed Forces), and indeed the Copyright Act itself makes no such provisions. As a rule, all works are deemed to be copyright protected, except where the legislation (or the work itself) explicitly state that it is not. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 20:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Dear Nick, as you can see I have commenced with the article and am working through it section for section adding on where I have re-written. What do you think so far? Regards--Smikect 08:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * It's looking really good. I'd suggest that you add links to other Wikipedia articles and endnotes as you write the article though - from my experience, it's much quicker to do these as you go then to have to come back later and do it! I've you;re not familiar with how to use Wikipedia endnotes, instructions are at Citing sources (endnotes aren't essential, but are very helpful in allowing others to see what sources you're using for their own use/interest). Cheers, Nick-D (talk) 09:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Nick, I will go check out end notes and start to use these as I go through the article. I'm on page 7 out of 37 now :) What I'd really like is assistance on how to add pictures as I'd like to see how this looks as I go through the article.  --Smikect 11:02, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Advice on adding images is at Images and Help:Files - I hope that's helpful for you. Please bear in mind that images also generally need to be free of copyright to be uploaded (if you've got photos you took yourself they'll be no problems uploading them as long as you're happy to accept the conditions this entails). Nick-D (talk) 09:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Nick, I have uploaded 3 pics which I'd like to start incorporating into my wiki article. Can you assist me?


 * Hi Smikect, my name is Skinny87, a member of the Military History Wikiproject and a dabbler in airborne warfare articles. I added an infobox to the article and fixed a wikilink (hopefully) to the Parabats. Feel free to revert anything I've done, but hopefully the infobox and picture changes will help you. This looks like a first-rate article coming along nicely, and I look forward to seeing it in article space with some sourcing. Let me know if I can do anything more to help. Skinny87 (talk) 13:32, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Skinny87, many thanks for the assistance, I appreciate all I can get, I'm starting to add pictures now and am struggling to size them, box them, right align them etc etc .... The Article is about half its size and I still have to add much more content on the Sub-Units in the Brigade. I think once the pics are added it's going to really look superb and I have a Facebook Group of over a thousand members who are eagerly waiting to see the end product. I'm also wanting to eventually move all the content from Smikect to it's own page namely 44 Parachute Brigade. I'm a first time user and am learning as I go along. I'd also like you to help when it comes to adding the references, but I'm going to do that at the end and will appreciate a run down of how that works, many thanks for the comments--Smikect 13:49, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. One question - did you take the picture of Colonel Breytenbach? Only it looks like an official South African Army headshot, which if so would make the image's copyright tag is incorrect. Skinny87 (talk) 17:56, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Skinny, No I did not take the pic but I have permission to use it. I was just wanting to put as much content up as possible. Which tag should I be using and is there a process that needs to be followed before it can legally go up? Please advise. I would also like to add two mini South AFrican Flags (Old and New) in the same table that the Griffon is right on top with duration dates underneath them if possible, can you assist? --Smikect 18:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not hugely familiar with modern copyright, but the tag you're using if you yourself took the photos. If you didn't, then you need to identify their sources and possibly get copyright permission for their uses. I'd suggest asking User: Moonriddengirl as she is very good with copyright issues. Do you have permission from the copyright holders to use all these images? If so, then it would just be a case of getting permission via the WP:OTRS system. Let me know while I ask Moonriddengirl. Skinny87 (talk) 20:26, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Skinny87, All the pictures were supplied freely as a part of a facebook group I created. There are over 1100 members and all have supplied their pics freely. I mentioned to the entire group that I would be making use of pics on the site for the Wiki and have general concensus. I would like to remove these pics (about 10 or so) from Wikipedia and get their proper names for reference and or (need to comply with a procedure and get written authority?) I will however send a general notice to all and investigate who owns those pics. For the pics that look like they could be Official Army Headshots I will need to remove as well and then re-classify them when I put them back up again. Please ask Moonriddengirl, many thanks--Smikect 09:46, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

How to verify permission for images
Hi. :) General consensus is, I'm afraid, not sufficient for Wikipedia. We need a release from each of the copyright holders verifying that the images are licensed in a way we can accept. Under no circumstances should you upload images that have been produced by other people claiming "I (Smikect) created this work entirely by myself." (You have done this with every image you've uploaded, I'm afraid.) Please go in and correct the sources of each of these images, change the part where it says (in the code)  to read   (you have to put the actual name of the creator where it says "creator name"), and add   where it says "permission." You'll then need to get the individual creators to send release forms to our OTRS permission queue. The form to use is Declaration of consent for all enquiries. (If you think you can't get permission within 7 days,let me know, and I'll go ahead and delete them. You can reupload them later when authors are identified and individual permissions acquired.) For any images that were not created by your group, please go ahead and add, so they will be deleted by an administrator. Even if they would look nice on the page, we can't keep them if they aren't free, except in the limited circumstances where they meet the conditions of non-free content policy and guideline. I'll be watching your talk page for a time. Please let me know if you have questions. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Moonriddengirl, thanks for the feedback. As a first time user I'm learning very fast. (1) I'm going to go in and change the ownership in the Wiki code to the owner of that picture and trust that you can see the changes that I have made. If I struggle I trust I can come to you for assistance. (2) There are 9 photographs I have put up which are genuinly my own work including some of the operational pics, the parachute training pics and the emblem pics (3) The balance of the pics where I cannot establish ownership I will write to you and you can delete or assist me in re-classifying these as I'm sure the source thereof is going to be difficult to establish i.e. the pics of Colonel Breytenbach and the hangar training pics in black and white. I'm going to go through your instructions step for step, give me a day or two and I'll correct as you have suggested. Many thanks for your assistance, I really appreciate--Smikect 19:42, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Moonriddengirl, Just an update, I have removed all pictures that I do not own personally and will be actioning points (1) shortly, regards --Smikect 21:39, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Moonriddengirl, I see Wikipedia is engaging me on the tagging of the pics I have uploaded and I am in the process of engaging with the owners of the pictures to give the necessary release as you have indicated in your last message. I have copied and pasted the text on the link provided and will get the owners to return email me with their consent within the template. Please advise me once I have received their consent what do I do with their email confirmations? Until I actually get their consent will you please delete all the pictures in the repository that are not currently in the article. The ones that are in the article are all my own authentic work and and I dont need permission from anyone to use them. Will you inform me once you have deleted it. I will make sure that the owners of the pictures specify the same names of the pics in their authorizations as what the actual picture names are that I re-upload. Make sense? Many thanks--Smikect 10:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I will be happy to help, if they're on Wikipedia and not Commons. Please list them here. (You may already know this, but to list a file without it displaying, put a colon in front of the name. File:KYMap-doton-Covington.PNG (grabbing a random example).) You send the consent forms to the address listed at the bottom of Declaration_of_consent_for_all_enquiries. It depends on whether the images are on Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Moonriddengirl, I have done as requested and changed the code of the pics that dont belong to me from { {self|cc-by-3.0} } to read { {cc-by-3.0|creator name} } and I added { {OTRS pending} } I'm busy following up and will get the necessary permissions from the authors of the pics. I unfortunately am having issues with displaying the picture "Proficiency_Board.jpg" on my article, if you have time can you tell me what I am doing wrong? Many thanks --Smikect 16:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Moonriddengirl, I have developed my wiki now to the point where I'd actually like to move it from Smikect and give it an actual name and put it out there for others to read whilst I continue to work on it. I'd like your help if thats ok? Do you suggest that I complete the article 100% before I put it out there or is it recommendable to put it out now? Please advise--Smikect 19:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to jump in, I'd suggest posting this at 44 Parachute Brigade (South Africa) if you think it's ready - it's always best to work on articles in 'article-space' so others can easily see what you're working on and contribute. Cheers, Nick-D (talk) 06:46, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Nick-D, many thanks, I have done this now and am working in "article space" Going to share the link with my group on FB .... wish me luck.--Smikect 15:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

44 Para Bde, 1 SA Corps, and Divisions
Dear Smikect, thanks for your hard work creating an article for 44 Para Bde. I'm also an administrator with an interest in the history of the SA Army, so please also feel free to approach me if you have difficulties you want help with. I had a question though; could you tell me when 1 SA Corps was formed, which divisions it had under its control, and where it was based? I think that data should be added to the South African Army page. Best regards from Aotearoa New Zealand, Buckshot06 (talk) 22:21, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Also suggest you consider merging the Parabat article into your new page. Buckshot06 (talk) 22:26, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Dear Buckshot06, Thanks I'm painstakingly working away at re-writing the entire article to read like a historical account. I'm not ofay with 1 SA Corps however I know that it contained 7 and 8 Divisions within it. Is this page yours? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Army_corps_and_branches as it contains info you may want to know?--Smikect 08:13, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Buckshot06, I'm progressing nicely with the article however I'm struggling a bit with images in the sense that I cannot get off the ground by loading one. I have many images which are my own however everytime I commence I am referred to an account creation page but when I attempt to log on with my current user ID and password it kicks me out and says "user does not exist" ? Can you please assist me to commence with uploading pics so that I can enrich my article. Many thanks--Smikect 19:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Operations 3.jpg
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Possibly unfree File:1 Para Bn Beret.JPG
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Possibly unfree File:Flashboard 1a.JPG
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Possibly unfree File:Beret 44.JPG
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Possibly unfree File:Flashboard 2a.JPG
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Possibly unfree File:44 Beret Badges.JPG
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:44 Beret Badges.JPG, has been listed at Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. --Acather96 (talk) 19:36, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Acather96, I'm not quite sure what I have done wrong, I have taken pics and own all the pictures on the site currently including the emblem of 44 Parachute Brigade in high resolution which is my own Beret badge. All pictures which I do not own I have removed and am awaiting release by the owners of those pics, when I receive this I will put the pics back up. What is the issue specifically about the 1 Parachute Battalion Cloth Badge? Many thanks. --Smikect 19:42, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You haven't altered the copyright tags on any of the images, Smikect. Although I don't doubt that you are able to use all of them, you need to show the copyright status of each with different tags, such as the OTRS permission being sent through. Skinny87 (talk) 19:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, no, wait, got it wrong. These are all photos of items you own, aren't they? If so, then there might still be problems photographing them. Something to do with military copyright, I'm unsure. Moonriddengirl will be able to help further, I've asked her to comment here again. Skinny87 (talk) 19:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Skinny87, shoo, ok, well the essence of the unit is it's emblem and I dont have the foggiest when it comes to having to ask permission to photograph my own emblems that I own, that were issued to me. I'm not defacing the images or tarnishing them, I'm displaying them with Pride. I have seen emblems of SANDF and SADF units elsewhere on Wikipedia including 7 Medical Battalion Group and none of those went through any authorisation? Please dont tell me I need to ask someone permission on an emblem that is correctly portrayed, it's just going to put a damper on things. I have already complied on previous requests to first get permission on the usage of other's pics and am complying. These emblems I have taken pics of myself and are necessary in giving visuals about what the unit was actually all about. I trust this is okay and do not have to change anything. I have been very careful since my article was first deleted because of copyright infringements and have been a 'good boy' since then. Kind regards--Smikect 20:06, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Smikect, You can tag the current images with Non-free logo or Non-free symbol and include a fair use statement for the article with each image - there's an excellent example of this in action at File:Royal Aus Regt.JPG you can copy. There's also guidance on how to tag the images at Non-free use rationale guideline which might be useful. Given that the images are important to the article and can't be replaced with a public domain equivalent, there's no problem using them, but you just need to add the appropriate tags. I'm sorry that this has been such a complex and unfriendly introduction to Wikipedia - you're doing really well navigating through the process. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 10:03, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Nick-D, thanks, I will go check out the Royal Aus Regt example you gave, thanks for the guidance, shoo, I get nervous when I see Wikipedia has left me messages, I just close my eyes and hope I have not messed up big time :) The admins have been really helpful, but I'm still weary sometimes that my article of items will be removed off my site through my own ignorance.  Thanks, tell me if I get the next step right.  Regards--Smikect 11:46, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Nick-D, I went to go and check out the script used in "Royal Aus Regt". Wow so I can just go and copy that script and apply this to the emblems I use on the 44 Parachute Brigade Article? Thats so cool, ok I will commence by changing the licencing on each emblem / picture containing emblems and hopefully the cautionary messages on each pic will begin to dissapear. I'll tackle them this evening when I get back from Gym. Regards--Smikect 12:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Nick-D, I went and changed all the symbols on my site as you suggested. However I'm still getting cautionary messages. I need your assistance please?--Smikect 18:20, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, Smikect. Part of the problem here may stem from some confusion between owning an item (and a picture made of it) and owning the copyright of the item. For instance, with File:Flashboard 1a.JPG, the images gathered together here were designed by somebody, and the copyright in them probably belongs to whoever designed them or whoever commissioned the designs, unless they are for some reason no longer under copyright (such as if they were published before 1923). If they are still under copyright, you can't license your picture of them unless you have permission from the copyright holder, and we do need verification of that. If they are not under copyright (or if you own their copyright because you designed/commissioned them in the first place), you can license them, but you will still need to verify that. If you cannot license them, you may still be able to use them if their use meets our non-free content guideline. That's what you're claiming with the changes you've made here. But if you're going to do that, you need to remove the contradictory licensing information that they contain, since they are not licensed under CC-By-SA. And in all cases, you should comment at the "possibly unfree files" discussions (each one that is tagged has a link to the discussion) to explain what you are dong and why. The conversations begin here and range down. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:48, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Moonriddengirl, nice to hear from you again. I have enquired by some senior officers of the unit (44 Parachute Brigade) who have advised me that there is no copyright held by the South African Government or the South African National Defence Force or old South African Defence Force on the emblems and symbols displayed. They did however refer me to the Director of Heraldry and have given me this persons email and I am in the process of contacting them to find out if there is an Act or Proclamation I can use with a description which authorised me to use these emblems. In this respect I asked Nick-D to take a look at what I had done under licencing and description with each picture to see if I'm aligned. I'm still a bit lost but can see that there are conflicts in description where it says still that it's my own work which is wrong? How do I change that? Finally would it be possible for you to assist me in writing the appropriate script based on what I have shared with you in this message and tell me where do I insert these scripts so that these pictures can stay up? Sorry for being so slow, I'm still a beginner.--Smikect 10:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, I've updated the licensing conditions of File:Flashboard 2a.JPG to what I think will be in line with the copyright rules. The key thing is to replace the creative commons tag with the non-free tag (and then post on the deletion discussions that you've made this correction). Cheers, Nick-D (talk) 11:09, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Nick-D, I have put Non-free symbol tags on all the pics under the licencing component. and specified this above @ "18:20, 12 October 2010, see above". Not quite sure what more I need to do. Its alarming to see all those chevron warning signs around my pics. Please help! Regards--213.132.63.33 (talk) 14:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

"Pufc cleanup unnamed"
Dear Admins,

I received a message to catagorise my article and catagorised it under Military units and formations by country I have now received a message under my article indicating "Categories: Pufc cleanup unnamed | Military units and formations by country" I'd like to know what the "Pufc cleanup unamed" means and how do I include this catagorisation as well? --Smikect 10:52, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Page Deleted - 44 Parachute Brigade (South Africa)
Dear Administrators, I was in the process of amending the text on the article and had cut and pasted a web conversation into the article which I wanted to delete. Unfortunately my attempts at trying to delete this chat string is not possible because an Administrator has deleted the page. Please help?--Smikect 08:50, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

How does one make amendments to the name of the Article or change the name of the article?
I would like to change the name of the Article I have created from "Managing by Responsibility" to "Management by Responsibility"

Please help?--Smikect 11:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

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November 2010
Please don't create "placeholder" articles, as you did at 10 Artillery Brigade (South Africa). Wait until you are ready to create a proper article with some content and references. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Dear JamesBWatson, I will note this and only commence the article once I have material, many thanks--Smikect 19:14, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Authorisation Letters for usage of photos - Where to from here?
Dear Admins,

I finally managed to get my first authorisation letters from owners of pics who are willing to have me display their works on the 44 Parchute Brigade (South Africa) Article.

What is the process from here? Please advise?--91.72.134.191 (talk) 18:21, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi. You need to forward them to the Wikimedia Foundation for processing. Are they e-mails, or are they written letters? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Moonriddengirl, They are scanned documents which are part typing and part handwritten completions by the owners of the pictures. Is there an email address I can email them to? Please advise--Smikect 17:28, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Moonriddengirl, I have taken a look at that site for the foundation but did not see any contact details there, can you please help?--Smikect 19:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Moonriddengirl, still waiting on advice on where to send these authorization letters, I have two of them. Please help? --Smikect 06:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * You should ask Moonriddengirl on her talkpage, Smikect. She won't be able to see these messages otherwise.Skinny87 (talk) 08:36, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, Smikect. I'm sorry; I'm afraid I lost track of this over the hoidays. But I had already given you the contact information above. :) To reiterate, you send the consent forms to the address listed at the bottom of Declaration_of_consent_for_all_enquiries. This conversation has been long, so I'm not surprised you had forgotten. If you decide to send them through mail, let me know. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:57, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hi MGA73, all the decals listed on this sight are public domain as indicated by the Director of Heraldry for the SADF in South Africa. Please indicate how I can better reference this uploaded file. As you can see from the long string of correspondence with the administrators I have gone a long path with making sure that the files uploaded are correctly referenced. Please assist further as I do not want to infringe at all. Kind regards --Smikect 12:25, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * - Could you please provide the link from where you copied them, I was looking but didn't find the official site,? Off2riorob (talk) 19:33, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

" - I found this, which seems to be the legal position and I can't see any Public domain there? http://sahw.bravehost.com/le-law.htm#LEG - Off2riorob (talk) 19:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

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Dear Ronhjones, I have had many of my emblems deleted and have tried having these put up again to no avail. I'm in the process of getting the Director of Heraldry of the South African National Defence Force to grant me blanket permission via written letter (Electronic Scanned Copy) to use emblems from this unit. Should I receive this letter where do post this? On the 44 Parachute Brigade Site? Many of the images I have created myself but these have also been removed? It's become most confusing as to which policy to use when posting pictures as every administrator has counter arguments as to why they are removing these emblems. As you can see the site is well rated by members of the unit of which I am also a former member. We would not like to see the entire site stripped of all it's emblems giving it diminished value and viewer experience. Your advice would be appreciated. Kind regards --Smikect 18:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * See WP:DCM and WP:CONSENT  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

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Splitting 44 Para page
Hi. Firstly well done on one of the most comprehensive pages I've seen. I have been tidying up some of the SA military pages and I would like to split out 1 Parachute battalion from 44 Para page - I feel it deserves a page on its own. Your thoughts? Gbawden (talk) 07:13, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

44 Parachute Brigade
Hi smikect In response to your post. Wikipedia is an open encyclopedia - anyone can edit or contribute to pages. By the same token anyone can undo the changes I made but I feel that would be counter intuitive. My rationale for making the split is simple - 1) The 44 Para Bd page is extremely detailed page but way too long 2) 1 Para Bn deserves a page on its own, rather than hidden in the text of the Brigade article 3) Its easier for editors to contribute when individual units have their own pages

I put a split suggestion on both the Brigade talk page and your talk page. Perhaps I should have waited longer but I felt that the rationale behind the split was sound (and still do) Gbawden (talk) 06:47, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Guy, I have received your name from one of the members from the Brigade. I am reasonable and would not like to get into a situation where I undo your amendments to the site. I however would like you to action some very reasonable requests (1) Please indicate in the intro paragraph on 1 Para Bn split page that this is a battalion within the 44 Parachute Brigade and then reference 44 Para Brigrade as link as you have done in the end of the intro paragraph. The way you have this referenced now is that 44 is a bit of an afterthought and not the parent of this page. (2) Please do the same with 18 Light Regiment and rather move the artillery content which is a pre-cursor to the creation of 18 Light Regiment on the 18 Light Regiment Page (3) Also include both old South African Army Flags and New South African Army Flags in the legend. Remember 44 only became a regiment in 1999 and therefore it and all its battalions and regiments span SADF and SANDF but mostly with its history and high level achievements in the SADF. (4) Lastly if you are an admin I have tons of pictures which the guys said I can put up on Wikipedia site but current Admins are ripping those pics down. I have only survived not having had the ones that are up ripped down because these are my own. I need your assistance to help me put more content (pictures) up if you can (5) I'd also like to have the emblems of 1 Para and 18 Light Regiment to be main picture of the page just like the 44 Para Brigade emblem is the main emblem of its page. (6) Finally we can collaborate in future, just consult with me, I'm reasonable and see merit in your points put accross. Many thanks Smikect 11:22, 11 June 2012 (UTC) Hi Guy, any feedback or action on my request? Smikect 19:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC) Guy did you just undo what I did?Smikect 15:16, 16 June 2012 (UTC) Guy there's a section missing from the content on Artillery, this is now missing from both 44 Para Bde as well as 18 Light. Please indicate if you have amended or removed any content.Smikect 15:20, 16 June 2012 (UTC) 141 Battery Content has now been lost. I would respect it if you have amended the content to please put it back as it has context with the formation of 18 Light Regiment. I will need to re-source this information and re-insert it into the Wiki. It will help if you can please put it back kindly. Smikect 18:53, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

18 Light Regiment
The rationale behind the split is the same as above. I should have left more detail behind on the 44 Para Bd page as context instead of just pointing to the 18LR page. Once again 18LR deserves its own page. Other Reserve Units have their own pages too - Pretoria Regiment Regiment de la Rey etc Gbawden (talk) 06:47, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, could you please consider changing the background colour of the beret images you have created? The black background makes it very difficult to see the maroon beret (some folks don't have perfect vision). I'd suggest making the background white or a pale colour that contrasts with maroon. Thanks Roger (talk) 09:24, 26 June 2012 (UTC) Sorry Roger, I would but I don't have Photoshop available to me right now. I'll get around to doing that when I have the tool, thanks Smikect 16:07, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: 44 Parachute Regiment
Hi Michael,

I'm more than happy to collaborate to improve the 44 Para Regt article. What sort of changes did you have in mind?

Darren Olivier (talk) 19:09, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

In Response to the marker on this site to say it is written from a Fan point of view. Am open to understand guidelines on which it can be turned into a neutral article. Please be patient, this site used to be one big page and it has now been split up after recommendation to individual until pages. Best Regards Smikect 13:17, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

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