User talk:Smile Lee/Archive 2

Notability for Fictional Topics
Hi Smile, I notice you have been close to a 3RR with User:TTN over Frank West (Dead Rising). I was, to be honest, about to revert back to TTN's redirect, but I looked in on the talk page to review the discussion and thought I would post to your page before doing so. I strongly urge you to read two pages: first, WP:CONSENSUS, where you will note that consensus, the glue that keeps this stuff together, always refers to the practices settled upon by the community at large. Thus, the accumulation of sentiment at a specific topic page (e.g. Frank West) can never trump the consensus of the Wikipedia generally. This consensus is expressed through guidelines and policies. Thus: second, WP:FICT (and relatedly WP:WAF). If you read the guideline you will note two things. One, Wikipedia is not the place for material that is not driven by a real-world perspective. Even if it is determined that Frank West (Dead Rising) should be kept, the degree of detail that is currently included should be reduced - by about 80 to 90% to follow our best practices. Second, you will note that there is a discussion about how and where to move material to other wikis which are not constrained by a consensus to focus on real-world context, notability and information. If your main concern is character detail and the like, there are wikias which are better venues for this kind of thing. I hope this explains why a redirect is the best option in this case and that you will not, as an editor who clearly cares about the topic, consider this either a repudiation or an admonition. Finally, you are always invited to weigh in at the discussions at WP:N, WP:FICT and WP:WAF to let your views be known should you wish to engage the prevailing consensus. Happy editing! Eusebeus (talk) 22:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, is that an article for Frank West I see? Consensus on Wikipedia is arbitrary and needs to be reworked. Otherwise this "encyclopedia" is going to become a shell. Smile Lee (talk) 21:18, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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 * O rly? Smile Lee (talk) 21:18, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Category Deletions
This is in response to your comment over at User Categories for Deletion, regarding the three musician/band categories that I nominated for deletion. The problem is not the userboxes themselves (which will remain), it was the categories you attached to them, and also where you added the categories in the User categorization tree. Read the instructions at Userboxes, especially "Category Inclusion". There is no need to add categories to every userbox; in fact, you probably shouldn't need to add user cats to any userbox you create, unless it is a category that is unquestionably helpful for collaboration across a wide series of articles. In the case of the three bands, collaboration on improving the band's article can be done at the talk page for the band's article. Categories for genres (such as Christian rock), are fine, and in fact there is no category for Wikipedians who listen to Christian rock in the appropriate parent category, Category:Wikipedians by music genre, which is a subcategory of Category:Wikipedians interested in music, which is a subcategory of Category:Wikipedians by interest. (You sometimes have to dig a little to find the appropriate place to add a new category.) If you were to create a userbox that added Category:Wikipedians who listen to Christian rock and made it a subcategory of Category:Wikipedians by music genre, it won't get nominated for deletion like the other three were, because that is an appropriate category.  Horologium  (talk) 20:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I agreed with this completely. Smile Lee (talk) 21:18, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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He's covered wars!
So why did you redirect it anyways? I was going to ask, but got busy. Bleh that other job I have! Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 18:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Alot of stress going on outside of the internet lol, but I finally have had a few hours to waste on the internet.To answer why I redirected, I caved under pressure lol, "abandon ship! Plus, I thought I was way outnumbered, but now I've enlisted help from other fellow editors TTN will not take down this page. I noticed your defense of the article beforehand, so I was all KYAA!
 * Also, if you have a commons account, would you nominate this image for picture of the day? I took it last month, and I thought it might have a shot. P.S. It says Albuquerque in hebrew, I'm jewish lol.

Smile Lee (talk) 18:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No commons account, sorry. :P Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 22:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm about done here (at wikipedia). I don't need this stress and the project is getting less and less useful to me. *sigh* Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 02:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the Barnstar. For what it's worth I try to keep things civil and work with people, and it's nice to see that consideration returned. I've laid out my points as best as I can and still think that while two articles are unnecessary, one GA or FA could potentially result from using elements of both articles. I'm not here to do a rush job and just trash the Frank West article (which is much improved from where it started out), but I do think that if Dead Rising was better it wouldn't be necessary. And with all that said I won't delete anything from the Frank West article, I'm just going to focus on the Dead Rising article (if and when I have time). Hewinsj (talk) 06:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Consensus can change and canvassing notes
This is in response to your talk page posts to rally people to vote keep for the Frank West article (because it was kept before). Here is a good read:Consensus. In my view, what you are doing (with several talk page posts) also seems to lean towards canvassing (see: Canvassing), just to get the outcome you personally want. RobJ1981 (talk) 07:19, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't evaluate it that way. The way I evaluate it, is that several editors seem to have gather to force their own views about consensus as a tag team, which is regarded here as a clear evasion of WP:3RR, and a good reason to block all parties involved. That's as bad as canvassing. If you and Rob and the others cant agree, ask for another opinion. Not mine, i dont known squat about the subject. Both  DGG (talk) 23:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

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Sorry, was supposed to be just the 3 categories, not the userboxes. See that you've put them back up. SkierRMH ( talk ) 20:52, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

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