User talk:Smith609/Cite

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Experiencing Difficulty
Hi Smith609. A few times while using the reference formatter, it has not provided the |title field for me, and I haven't noticed until I see the big error message in ref list. Is this an error on my side (user malfunction)? Also, a suggestion for a future version would be to have a choice between compressed (inline) citation template, or the expanded (multi-line). Some editors prefer the one-line version as it shows up differently in diffs. Cheers, DigitalC (talk) 06:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, I guess that when it's not found the title, it's because it's not had enough information fed to it to deduce the reference which is being cited: or, the title can't be found in the usual places. If you give me a couple of examples I will try to make some suggestions.
 * More formats are coming – I'm very busy at the moment!
 * Thanks for your feedback, Smith609  Talk  19:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Try this for example, searching Google Scholar for "Continuing Health Education in Canada". With the 2 results listed, Wikify the first one. This will be the result: DigitalC (talk) 08:05, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, you'll be pleased to hear that new formats are now available. The problem with the missing title is one with the database - there's not much that the software can do, unfortunately.  The best I can suggest is trying alternative search results where they are available. Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  20:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Bot collaboration
Greetings, Martin. I run a bot named User:Polbot, and one of her current (in trial) tasks is to convert bare links to full citations by following the links and harvesting information. For instance, when it finds the link: ...it looks at the html at that link and harvests title and author information to get:
 * http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/010409/archive_008912.htm

(The source code, in perl, is here.) So far it works with the New York Times, Time Magazine, and several other popular periodicals. However I haven't tackled scholarly journals yet, since there is a lot I don't know about, for instance, DOIs, and I see that others have already delved deeply into this area. Like, for instance, you! So I was hoping I could ask for some help.

Given a link to a rated journal, such as http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7566020, is there a straightforward-ish way to get the DOI, authors, etc., without plowing through the html for the data in different ways for different publications? (I have considered, by the way, submitting the URL to Google scholar search, as in http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpubmed%2F7566020, then parsing the html of the google page for the id ("ZazTb4xrtZ4J", whatever that is), and then submitting this to your tool... but there are problems with this strategy. Your tool loads some of the information in script after the page loads, making it difficult to harvest... and besides, I figure there must be a more direct way.) Any feedback or guidance would be most appreciated. – Quadell (talk) 03:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

PMID & PMC lookup broken
Hi Smith. When I enter PMIDs or PMCIDs into the URF, it doens't do anything. It looks up, finishes, and gives me a blank output. I see a lot of "invalid argument supplied" errors at the bottom of the page. Can you take al look at this when you get a chance? I rely heavily on this tool when citing, it's an incredible time saver for PMID referencing. Thanks for writing it! Chaldor (talk) 00:12, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh gosh, I wonder how I've broken that... I'll take a look when I get the chance, which will hopefully be in the next couple of weeks. Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  12:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you've gotten around to it, but the PMID lookup is still broken. I tried and 19290931. Thanks. Temporal User (Talk) 20:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Using Google Scholar's BibTeX with URF
Hello, first of all, let me say ('cause I've never done it) that I have come to appreciate these little tools of your's for formatting references.

As for the section heading, I noticed that URF seems to interpret (at least sometimes) BibTeX reference names like aboitiz1992fch as being author=aboitiz, year=1992, journal=fch. At least the latter is problematic: When I paste complete BibTeX information like

{@article{aboitiz1992fch, title= , author={Aboitiz, F. and Scheibel, A.B. and Fisher, R.S. and Zaidel, E.}, journal={Brain Res}, volume={598}, number={1-2}, pages={143--153}, year={1992} }, URF turns this into , while the BibTeX conversion tool gets it right as.

I also noticed that the Scholar tool is currently not working, but I assume that you are aware of that. Thanks and cheers, Mietchen (talk) 04:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, I hadn't thought to make the URF recognise bibtex. I'll get on to that when I get time. Also, note the updated link for the scholar search, http://toolserver.org/~verisimilus/Scholar/. Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  12:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Bug report in experimental citation interpreter
Thought I would leave you a failure report from a free text citation, in case it helps you improve that marvellous "complete citation" box.

I pasted: The Place of Y Gododdin in the History of Scotland’, in Celtic Connections: Proceedings of the Tenth International Congress of Celtic Studies, Vol. 1. Language, Literature, History, Culture, ed. R.Black, W. Gillies, R. Ó Maolalaigh (East Linton: Tuckwell Press, 1999), pp. 199–210. I got: which, to be honest, is darn close but no cigar.

Anyway, great work on the formatter and search tool: I use it all the time.

--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 16:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

hyphenating ISBN
Should the ISBN be automatically reformatted with hyphenation? Instructions are here: — Chris Capoccia T&#8260;C 07:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hyphenation Instructions
 * Structure of ISBN

Multiple OCLC entries
The OCLC field can only properly link to one number. Frequently, multiple numbers are found (for example, ). The OCLC link would work as either 46908525 or 50074837. I don't know whether it would be better to only use one of the OCLC numbers or to change the various citation templates so that they formatted multiple OCLC numbers as separate links like this:
 * Lewis, edited by James; Sesay, Amadu (2002), Korea and globalization, London: RoutledgeCurzon, ISBN 0-7007-1512-6, OCLC 46908525 50074837

— Chris Capoccia T&#8260;C 07:51, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Should generate date = instead of month =
citation no longer recognizes month =

instead, it prefers date = month year —Preceding unsigned comment added by Askmar (talk • contribs) 22:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Journal and title messed up from pasted citation
I just tried Gallup GG Jr (1970) Chimpanzees: self-recognition. Science 167: 86–87 , and the output included the line journal = Chimpanzees: self-recognition. Science 167: which is obviously buggy. Thanks, Mietchen (talk) 22:37, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Google is rejecting searches today
Several searches which worked previously are no longer working for me: Google displays a page with a somewhat odd message: "We're sorry...
 * miscanthus
 * Nash 57

... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spy ware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now.

We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon. In the meantime, if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spy ware remover to make sure that your systems are free of viruses and other spurious software.

If you're continually receiving this error, you may be able to resolve the problem by deleting your Google cookie and revisiting Google. For browser-specific instructions, please consult your browser's online support centre.

We apologise for the inconvenience and hope we'll see you again on Google."

Do you know what this is about? --Teratornis (talk) 23:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It's probably being used too much - because the Google interface is passed through the toolserver, Google thinks that all uses are coming from one machine and blocks it in case it's part of a Denial of Service attack. Try again tomorrow. Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  01:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem seems to have gone away now. Thanks for the information. --Teratornis (talk) 07:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Errors
Try this ISBN. 978-0262083775. Several errors. CharlesGillingham (talk) 19:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Try: Trenberth KE, et al (2007) Observations: Surface and Atmospheric Climate Change. In: Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis. [Solomon S, et al (eds.)]. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

Try: Miller AJ, Cayan DR, Barnett TP, Oberhuber JM (1994) The 1976-77 climate shift of the Pacific Ocean. Oceanography 7: 21–26. http://meteora.ucsd.edu/~miller/papers/shift.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wcalvin (talk • contribs) 21:35, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Problem with title, authors, issue, pages, italics
Hi, Martin. I tried DOI 10.1016/S0140-6736(03)14117-7 and got. However a correct result is. I guess the italics are an unsolvable issue, but I suggest the authors, title, issue and page numbers need attention. --Philcha (talk) 08:15, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up; as far as I can see these omissions are the result of the publisher's database being incomplete, and cannot be readily resolved. Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  17:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Sample search does not work
After a number of searches (by far not all) ended up with a closed result form, I just tried the PMID sample search http://toolserver.org/~verisimilus/Scholar/Cite.php?pmid=16754615 which gave the same result. Could you please check? Thanks! Daniel Mietchen (talk) 09:49, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just uploaded a screenshot. Daniel Mietchen (talk) 09:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hm. I think PubMed may have changed their database system recently; I'll look into it when I have the chance. Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  16:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi

Very nice intiative, cerytainly needed.

I just tried with this reference, and it almost worked, but it put the authors as the journal name and viceversa....

Boyce, M.S., Vernier, P.R., Nielsen, S.E. & Schmiegelow, F.K.A. (2002) Evaluating resource selection functions. Ecological Modelling, 157, 281– 300.



Thanks

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 * Thanks, it sometimes struggles with unformatted references; author recognition is next on my (too long!) to do list, so thanks for the heads up! Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  04:52, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Error caused by unusual characters in ref name
Hi Smith609,

I suspect this error has more to do with Wikipedia than your tool, but I thought I'd let you know in case you could easily program a workaround. After manually entering "Cristina Sánchez-Martínez and José Pérez-Martín" in the authors field, the tool generated . So far so good, but when I used in an article I got a big red "''' Cite error: Invalid

It's not clear how I add this to the WAS entry.

Thanks

Kim Smith

Pascin727 (talk) 14:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, there are two things you can do; the first is to place the code in-line, after the fact it backs up. You can the code  to the references setion: this will make the references show up.  The second alternative is to remove the code   and   from the citation you have copied in.  I have made both changes to the article (See them here); feel free to experiment further in the Sandbox.  Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  23:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Difficult case: "Special Papers" citation
I am trying to work out how to build a citation for a difficult (but not uncommon) case of a work contained in another work. (For specific case at hand, Google for "Vogt" and "Origin of the Bermuda volcanoes"; this will be found in the publication "Plates, Plumes, and Planetary Processes". Which sort  of looks like a book, but is specifically a"Special Paper" - a recurring but non-periodic publication of the GSA, in this case Special Paper 430.  (Other scientific organizations also publish "Special Papers".)  The traditional practice is to cite these as &lt;title> in &lt;work>, much like an encyclopedia article, and which is reasonably well accomodated using the citation template's "contribution" parameters.  (Clumsy, but works.)

I was hoping the Google Scholar Wikify function might be of use in this regard, but that led to the Universal Reference Formatter, which failed, and rather sadly. I was hoping that the URF might be developed (a "small matter of programming". :-) enough to handle "contributions", but no luck. Worse, it got confused parsing the reference (perhaps complications with what is coming from Google?), and did some nonsensical things like putting the title of the work ("Plates, Plumes...") in as the name of a journal (which it is not), and leaving out the editors. It also put the paper number ("430") in as a volume number (which I think actually makes sense, but is contrary to normal practice). Using the DOI (which I would think should access the most complete, most authoritative information on this item) provided essentially the markup.

Building citations manually is okay for me. But I think it would add greatly to the URF's usefulness if it could more elagantly handle these cases. J. Johnson (talk) 20:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's in the pipeline - I'll use this case as an example when I get the chance to improve the code. Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  23:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Trouble with square brackets in url
I'm having trouble with the url in a ref. I tried the following but the display is disrupted by the [AU] part of the url and did not link to the relevant site. I tried using different brackets and a nowiki on the url but that didn't work either.
 * Another editor suggested a work-around as the following
 * Sorry to have annoyed you.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

PMC 1672187,
Hi there. Many thanks for your excellent tool. I use it loads, but I find it doesn't always work for PMIDs and PMCs. I've included two examples (for the same article) above. RupertMillard (Talk) 18:57, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Where have all the coauthors gone?
Hi Martin, I recently noticed that the author names are heavily scrambled. For instance, the search term Polymorphism of DCDC2 Reveals Differences in Cortical Morphology of Healthy Individuals gives instead of This problem has occured for Springer references for quite some time but now even the PubMed or PMC entries for the same item do not come out properly any more, and all references I tried over the last few days had this problem if there was more than one author. Can you please take a look? Thanks! --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 09:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC) Will do when I get the chance - my laptop is dead and I have no internet at home, so may be a little while!Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  21:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for working on this, Martin. The co-authors seem to be back now but the ordering of the lines in the output is rather strange and, more importantly, the doi is not found for some papers ( try "NMR measurements of permafrost: unfrozen water assay, pore-scale distribution of ice") or, if the doi is pasted into the search mask, the rest of the metadata can not be found (try "10.1016/j.coldregions.2004.12.002"; the same paper). Daniel Mietchen (talk) 08:31, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, I wonder what I've done - it looks like I've introduced an error into one of the algorithms I use, which is causing it to silently exit. Investigation will follow when I have time... Meanwhile, you could allow a bot to do the completing for you by including  in the article. Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  12:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, using the doi template is a good idea but when I just tried it, the co-author was gone again. Daniel Mietchen (talk) 11:41, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Standardizing the name attribute of the ref tag
Please standardize the name attribute. Currently, if a long wiki article cites a journal or website article more than once, each one will become a unique entry in the references. As done by the diberri tool, consider the following for the name value: etc,
 * pmid
 * doi
 * isbn

For example:

or, in this example, the user can append a page number or chapter title to the isbn:

With this method, articles will only be inserted once into the bibliography. - Badgettrg (talk) 16:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I much prefer the human-readable 'AuthorYear' format for a reference name. Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  21:31, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * AuthorYear is not a reliably unique string. - Badgettrg (talk) 12:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Simply append an "a" or "b" if there are more than one "Smith2000". Much better than ISBN/PMID/etc... Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 04:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Mathematical Reviews BibTeX/Google Scholar references for mathematical papers
Putting in the BibTex output of a Mathematical Reviews entry into the "complete citation" box is not very successful: the title is cut off, and in any case there is no need to carry the information about the MR reviewer (who then appears as the second author). However, Google Scholar appears to include all the papers covered by MR, so I am quite happy to use that instead.

Thanks Smith609 !

Regards 08:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranicki (talk • contribs)

Problems with the citation assistant
Recently I've started having this problem where it only loads the first result for any search query on Google Scholar, and that too is incomplete. The rest of the page doesn't load. I tried a few different browsers too, but that doesn't seem to help. Am I doing something wrong? --Robin (talk) 16:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * A fix is now available at WP:SCHOLAR. Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  04:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

No "wikify" links appear
.. I don't know why. Whatever404 (talk) 13:59, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you using the latest version of the greasemonkey script? See WP:SCHOLAR.  Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  20:55, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I cannot see it, too. (on Win7, FF 4.0.1. & IE 9.0.8112.16421) Vinne2 (talk) 10:49, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

9783540674207
ISBN 9783540674207 doesn't turn up anything; yet the Citation templates generator does:. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.138.158.200 (talk) 00:51, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Working?
It seems to get stuck on "Trying to expand citation info using CrossRef...". --Apoc2400 (talk) 23:54, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Still the case. Collabi (talk) 10:03, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I can't get it to work using pmid's ... Is it because I use a Mac? Slow connection?Very disappointed. Celia Kozlowski (talk) 18:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that this is broken at the moment. I'll have to take a look when I get the chance. Meanwhile, you could try using cite pmid? Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  21:21, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Still just hanging for me, whether I use PMID or DOI. I'm using XP SP3 with google chrome (latest update). Mokele (talk) 19:31, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

PMID 20067549
Redirects to bad DOI. TypicalUser (talk) 19:42, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

API?
I like your tool, and was wondering if it can be accessed in a machine-readable fashion. So, "...?doi=XXXXX", returning JSON (with callback!)? Cheers,--Magnus Manske (talk) 12:38, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Bibtex glitches?
I pasted this piece of Bibtex @article{Bergquist:1999:FAI:347194.347203, author = {Bergquist, Gary A.}, title = {The future of APL in the insurance world}, journal = {SIGAPL APL Quote Quad}, volume = {30}, issue = {1}, month = {September}, year = {1999}, issn = {0163-6006}, pages = {16--21}, numpages = {6}, url = {http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/347194.347203}, doi = {http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/347194.347203}, acmid = {347203}, publisher = {ACM}, address = {New York, NY, USA}, }  (from http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=347194.347203 ) into the complete citation box of Cite.php The output was very helpful to me, but I thought I ought to pass it onto you as you requested, as it is a little garbled and needed some manual edits.  

Which citation format offered by ACM would work more smoothly?

--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 11:16, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

CrossRef
Where should I go to enquire about the uptime of Cite.php? "Trying to expand citation info using CrossRef..." does not work for me (when for example, I use the DOI 10.1145/347194.347203, the expansion never completes.) --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 11:16, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I've not maintained this tool for a while because it's easier to do this all within Wikipedia. Visit your user preferences and activate "Citation expander", under "Editing gadgets"; then you can type { {cite journal | doi = 10.1145/347194.347203 } } and expand it in the page.  Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  13:32, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Universal Reference Formatter still working?
Hi, does the Universal Reference Formatter still work? I do not see any Wikify links on the Google Scholar page when searching e.g. http://toolserver.org/~verisimilus/Scholar/?q=Nash+1950 Stud3n7 (talk) 18:31, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

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