User talk:Smithh

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Articles for deletion/Southbeach notation
Hi Smithh

In your recent comment at the above-captioned discussion, you requested that I make my identity known to the Wikipedia community. Could you explain how my identity would be relevant to the discussion at hand? If you look at my edit history, do you see any indications of a particular axe to grind with respect to this topic?

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Regards, Bongo  matic  15:56, 25 September 2010 (UTC) Should you wish to reply, please do so here. I will watch this page for a few days, so no talkback or other comment on my talk page is required.


 * Please see my last comments on the Southbeach Notation article for delete page here. I am presuming that you are hiding your identity in order to hide behind your insults. Its easy to do this in the safe anonymity of such ridiculous forums. I really had hoped for a more informed debate. I suggest you take a good look at yourself in the mirror some time. Smithh (talk) 10:49, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't believe I have made any insults. Certainly, putting together two plus two on the connection among editors participating in the AfD discussion on Southbeach Notation was not intended to be an insult&mdash;it was intended to give the closing administrator information on which opinions might be disregarded per WP:ROUGH CONSENSUS. If you think I have insulted anyone, please let me know where / how.
 * I have been an editor on the project for nearly four years, and have made more than 11,000 edits. I try to maintain civility even where there are significant disagreements among editors (though I haven't always lived up to this aspiration). If you care to review my contributions to this project, you will see that I engage in a few sorts of activities here quite regularly:
 * creating articles on obviously notable people;
 * tagging newly created articles that have (what appear to me to be) issues, particularly notability, COI, or tone issues;
 * nominating for deletion (whether using the speedy, proposed deletion, or AfD process) articles that I believe do not meet the inclusion guidelines;
 * copyediting articles that I come across that have various stylistic, grammatical, or typographical problems/errors.
 * I'm not ashamed of my contributions here and my choice not to disclose my identity should not be so construed. Many editors choose to disclose their identities; many do not&mdash;everyone has his reasons (though I suspect a common one is so an editor's boss doesn't see how much of an editor's work day is being dedicated to this form of volunteerism). Bongo  matic  12:21, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Your insulting remarks and language are clear for all to see. As are those of other 'Wikipedians' who used inappropriate language towards my colleagues and associates. Suggest you get back to real work if your employee would not approve of your 'work' at Wikipedia, to the extent that you feel the need to hide your identity. Perhaps your employer should install Spector360. Suggest you try to create things in the world instead of knocking down other people's achievements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.49.157.194 (talk) 13:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What's truly amazing about you guys is that you actually seem to believe that having a vote among two or three ill-informed people with no background in a topic is somehow valid, and simultaneously you disregard comments of anyone who knows about it. What are you expecting, hordes of people who don't know about the topic to somehow hear about your important 'vote'. Your votes and procedures appear to me to have little or no validity. And, it was not necessary to use such language. We did not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.49.157.194 (talk) 14:07, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Howard's test page
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Willy van de Wiel
Do you really think it is appropiate to slap citation needed tags all over an article like you did with the Willy van de Wiel article, would it not make more sense to put a BLP unsourced tag at the top of the article. I see you haven't done much editing, so remember that it is OK to make mistakes every once in a while. Thanks. Mr.Kennedy1 talk guestbook 17:05, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * See Bongomatic.

Language

 * Do you think that your language such as allusions to sucking off a pit-pony is abiding by Wikipedia rules? It abides perfectly and breaks no guidelines I can think of (and I've been here for over five years and have seen most of them). If I had said "why don't you go and suck off a pit-pony?" that would have been a problem or something similar but the actual allusion itself is fine.


 * Do you think it is polite and appropriate? That's debatable I think it's fine, clearly you don't.


 * Do you think that complete strangers should talk that way to each other? Yes.


 * Do you think it sets the tone for a reasonable debate? Yes.

hope this helps. --Cameron Scott (talk) 07:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)


 * If that is the standard, goodbye. I have no interest in trying to hold serious debates about serious subjects when me and my colleagues have been assaulted by vulgar, insulting and other language, verging on libel.

Be very careful about using the word 'libel' as any hint of legal action can lead to an instant block of your account. --Cameron Scott (talk) 09:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

'Rubbish' isn't a statement about anything in the works themselves, it is a comment about the nature of the works when considered against our criteria for notability that I was commenting on. Simply put, if something has notability, then independent agents (such as journals, newspapers) will write about it. For our purposes, a series of documents written by yourself are 'rubbish' in terms of providing evidence of notability. Do you see what I'm getting at? It's not a comment on the standard of work itself but a comment on how it measures against our guidelines for reliable sources. --Cameron Scott (talk) 10:01, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Warning
Trying to establish the real life identities of editors if they do not wish them to be known is strictly prohibited (except in very narrow situations - this is not one of them) - I've removed your recent addition to the AFD, if you persist in re-adding it or trying to link users to their real world identities, your account will be blocked. --Cameron Scott (talk) 10:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Response
Look at the history on the article's delete discussion page. Get your facts right. Are you applying the same rules to the people who not only tried to link me and colleagues to identity, but tried to imply that their professional integrity was in doubt by creating links between us. And, we had never 'hidden' our identity in the first place. It seems like you are saying there are rules for one group, and not for others. (As for whether you think I care a jot about having an account here, see my other final comments on the deletion discussion page.)

The fundamental difference is this - you can't out people who out themselves - if an individual turns up here with an account called SmithH and then proceeds to write an article about a product by Harold Smith and also makes it clear that they are Harold Smith then there is no outing. However, if you had turned up here with an account of "Wazzo" and *then* people had said "Oh well I think that's Harold Smith and I have looked on the web and he is..." that would be outing. Similarly, I can't make any claims of outing as it's pretty clear what my name is. --Cameron Scott (talk) 11:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

For goodness sake, get your facts right by looking at what occurred. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.49.157.203 (talk) 11:27, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

You are so funny!
This is the best joke ever! I'm sure you looked at the history of my user page and saw that the basis for your jesting inference was the childish horseplay of some editors friendly (if you can call that friendly) to me. Put your tongue-in-cheek accusation everywhere, on talk pages, article pages, AfD pages, whatever for all I care. You made my day, week, and month with your! Thanks, funny guy! Bongo  matic  11:41, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, Willy van de Wiel is an interesting example for you&mdash;in "normal" terms he appears to be a totally non-notable individual. But it seems (I'm not an expert in this particular area) that he meets the (unbelievably over-broad) criteria of WP:ATHLETE (otherwise I'd nominate the article for speedy deletion). Go figure! Bongo  matic  11:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


 * So, did I find Bongomatic? I strongly suspect I did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.49.157.203 (talk) 16:45, 29 September 2010 (UTC)