User talk:Smkolins/Archives/2016/September

Baha'i Faith and slavery
Thanks for hopping in on this one - have a look at my sandbox - where I have started a tentative draft for a proper article. It is still largely just my work notes at this stage - there is a fair bit that may be cut a bit (perhaps) from the version that goes into the article space - but you get the general idea.

It will be good to have fully working eyes again!

--Soundofmusicals (talk) 10:47, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Glad you are improving Soundofmusicals! I like your sandbox - it could use more of what I encorporated into the article but I think it flows much better. Smkolins (talk) 11:19, 8 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Just a few ideas at this stage - eyes still very sore, and have to crank up the 'zoom' about as far as it will go before I can read what I am typing, although I have managed to get hold of a keyboard with extra large extra white characters. With the best will in the world it will be a while before I can get it respectable enough for the article space - in the meantime it really needed an "emergency" fix to remove the total bullshit. -Soundofmusicals (talk) 01:41, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Disputed succession of Bahá'u'lláh
You have deleted the following statement from articles about Bahá'u'lláh and `Abdu'l-Bahá, claiming it is not reliable.


 * The official Bahá'í narrative of the succession controversy is disputed by the majority of Bahá'u'lláh's descendants who, initially led by Mírzá Muhammad `Alí and then Shua Ullah Behai, were also subsequently declared Covenant-breakers by `Abdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi.

So, what part of the statement do you perceive to be not reliable?

1) Is the official Bahá'í narrative of the succession controversy not disputed by the majority of Bahá'u'lláh's descendants?

2) Were the majority of Bahá'u'lláh's descendants not initially led by Mírzá Muhammad `Alí?

3) Were the majority of Bahá'u'lláh's descendants not subsequently led by Shua Ullah Behai?

4) Were the majority of Bahá'u'lláh's descendants not declared Covenant-breakers by `Abdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi?

The works of Smith, Bausani, Momen, and other Bahá'í historians do not dispute these basic facts, although they would certainly disagree with underlying causes of the dispute. A35821361 (talk) 23:05, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The information of the source used, Shua and it's presentation through the edition by Stetson, is a trivial minority of no substantial presence in modern literature and hardly scholarly validated let alone reliable. Smkolins (talk) 23:41, 24 September 2016 (UTC)