User talk:Smmslt

Speedy deletion of Deborah Magid
A tag has been placed on Deborah Magid, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent. If the page you created was a test, please use the sandbox for any other experiments you would like to do. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions about this.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you.  MisterWiki  talking! :-D  - 16:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

You should wait for others to write an article about subjects in which you are personally involved. This applies to articles about you, your achievements, your band, your business, your publications, your website, your relatives, and any other possible conflict of interest.

Creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you create such an article, it might be listed on articles for deletion. Deletion is not certain, but many feel strongly that you should not start articles about yourself. This is because independent creation encourages independent validation of both significance and verifiability. All edits to articles must conform to No original research, Neutral point of view, and Verifiability.

If you are not "notable" under Wikipedia guidelines, creating an article about yourself may violate the policy that Wikipedia is not a personal webspace provider and would thus qualify for speedy deletion. If your achievements, etc., are verifiable and genuinely notable, and thus suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later. (See Wikipedians with articles.)  If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:
 * 1) editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with;
 * 2) participating in deletion discussions about articles related to your organization or its competitors;
 * 3) linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Spam); and,
 * 4) avoid breaching relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for businesses. For more details about what, exactly, constitutes a conflict of interest, please see our conflict of interest guidelines. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  18:31, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I never used the word "nonsense"; I believe that tag was used because some of the language got garbled, and because comments that belong on the talk page of the article were instead posted to the article itself! -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:01, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Deborah Magid
A tag has been placed on Deborah Magid requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

The wording protesting the article used worse than "patent nonsense" but I didn't print it quickly enough to be able to quote the rest of it to you here. Since you generated it, I'm a bit confused as to your lack of control of its content, but that may be a discussion for another time. Thank you for the information, I've read the page about conflict of interest and have the following rebuttals: I am not receiving any remuneration per Examples/citing oneself/financial I am not a legal antagonist in any way, shape, or form I am not indulging in any form of self-promotion, including but not limited to commercial links, pointers to any personal pages (please note, the pointer to idbd verifies some portion of my assertion of having world-level interest), or unclear material

The guidelines seem to suggest that discussion is in order, rather than a wholesale deletion of articles. Had I not contacted you, evidently no discussion would have happened. I find this interesting.

Kind regards, Deb Smmslt (talk) 20:14, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) The initial tag requesting deletion was posted by User:MisterWiki, not by me.
 * 2) Writing an article about yourself is pretty much the definition of self-promotion. One of our cardinal principles is neutral point of view; and one can never have a neutral point of view about oneself.
 * 3) Please put comments where they belong, not on articles or at the top rather than bottom of talk pages. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:28, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the guidelines (3) and I apologize for making the assumption, since your name appeared to be attached to the original deletion warning, that it was you who had inserted it. I'll look up MisterWiki. As to self-promotion, I placed the article in response to the requests of others who do not have access to creating articles. This feels very Catch-22. Smmslt (talk) 20:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)