User talk:SmokeyJoe/Archive 13

Doncram
So as not to clutter MfD with an unrelated follow up to your comment. Doncram & DGG hit hard. Such a vital part of the fabric here. Part of why I'm trying to clear some of his drafts if I can get them to mainspace, inspired by a bunch hitting G13. User_talk:Doncram has the list of expired and expiring drafts should you have time/interest. Star  Mississippi  01:58, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Vu
Template:Vu has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:46, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

WP:ASPERSIONS
I do not know if you're having a bad day, but accusing editors of "attempting to hide all evidence of good faith" by a blocked editor in a deletion discussion, especially without evidence, is the kind of stuff that caused WP:AGF to be written. To quote from WP:SNOW - "If a process only has a snowball's chance in hell of success, use common sense and don't follow the process all the way to the end, just for procedural sake. But if there are any doubts, do not terminate the process prematurely." This sort of language is incivil at best. DarmaniLink (talk) 01:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Not a bad day. It’s my standard challenge to anyone wanting to delete content that I consider to be a good faith attempt to contribute, on the basis that the user was later blocked.  And where there is no connection between the block and the content to be deleted.
 * I don’t think you should take it personally. You are doing what many have done before you.  The consequence of the deletion would be to remove the best edits form the user’s edit history, and if they try to return, that makes them look worse.
 * I don’t mean that you are attempting to make them look worse, just that you are attempting to have a page deleted, and there is a bad unintended consequence. I don’t think you have considered other perspective on the outcome of this deletion.  As I’ve said, I don’t think their edit history is that bad, and I think NOTHERE doesn’t hold up to scrutiny for their block.  If they are serious, I think they can make a good unblock request, and an obvious good thing they could do is declare an intention to improve their draft.
 * Did I say “all evidence”? I shouldn’t have.  The one liner new article on a band is a small bit of evidence.  I support its immediate draftification. SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:32, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * for what its worth, I only reported them to UAA, not AIV since the name was arguably disruptive. I was just expecting a name change. DarmaniLink (talk) 03:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I noticed the username.
 * I’ve been editing the draft, but am frustrated by my mobile device losing my edits when I switch between tabs. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * In that case, I'll retract it. :) DarmaniLink (talk) 03:52, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I
Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:


 * Proposal 2, initiated by, provides for the addition of a text box at Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
 * Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by and, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
 * Proposal 5, initiated by, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
 * Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
 * Proposal 7, initiated by, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
 * Proposal 9b, initiated by, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
 * Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by, , and , respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
 * Proposal 13, initiated by, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
 * Proposal 14, initiated by, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
 * Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by and, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
 * Proposal 16e, initiated by, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
 * Proposal 17, initiated by, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
 * Proposal 18, initiated by, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
 * Proposal 24, initiated by, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll.
 * Proposal 25, initiated by, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
 * Proposal 27, initiated by, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
 * Proposal 28, initiated by, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.

To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her), via:

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Nomination of Where is Kate? for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Where is Kate? is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Where is Kate? (3rd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. IgnatiusofLondon ( he/him • ☎️) 12:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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