User talk:SmoothFlow

Welcome
Thanks! SmoothFlow (talk) 22:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

January 2009
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Orange Marlin Talk• Contributions 16:34, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi! I'm not sure what you are talking about, since you are the one who keeps reverting my edits.  SmoothFlow (talk) 17:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. ''A new edit war from you. That's now two separate ones.

'' Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 19:06, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * But you are reversing me!!! SmoothFlow (talk) 19:07, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia
You need to understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a soapbox, not a joke book, and not a random collection of links. I have reviewed your edits and they are largely inappropriate. For example, this "controversy" was only covered by the school newspaper. It does not meet the threshold of reliable sources, external to the subject. If it made national headlines and a student involved sued the school, ok, but otherwise it is just one more minor event at a big school. If everything that happened at Syracuse that was covered by the school newspaper was added to Wikipedia, the article would be 50 megs long. Joke edits like this are wholly inappropriate. If the school and community actually refers to them as ex-cuses and that is a notable term, then it might make sense to mention it in the text of the article (provided, of course, that its use is supported and explained by a reliable source. Please take some time to read through Wikipedia's manual of style and some of the core policies linked in that welcome message at the top of your talk page. --B (talk) 20:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, the thing with Dr. Thomas made the education trade press and others sites link title, which is what my second reference was about.  It is on his wikipeida page too, so there's that.  I don't know what you mean by soapbox.  I will find something for ex-Cuses if you say so. (Did you go there too?)  Does it have to be a web site?  Thank you.  SmoothFlow (talk) 20:46, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * "We need to stop" is not what would be considered a reliable source. The Western (I'm assuming that's a school newspaper) is just quoting the Higher Ed news.  That is a reliable source, but this is not the kind of thing that warrants mention in the main Syracuse article.  That source should be added to the Laurence Thomas article, but it is not something significant enough for adding to an article about the school.  No, I did not go to Syracuse. --B (talk)
 * I'm getting very tired of this SmoothFlow. You are a single purpose account adding nothing but jokes and rumors to a fairly good article about Syracuse University.  You continue to edit-war for no reason, and I'm beginning to suspect you have motives that fall outside of providing you with good faith.  When someone asks in an edit summary to bring it to Talk, a rude edit summary is not productive.  You are now at 5RR give or take, and it's time for you to be blocked for an extended period of time.   Orange Marlin  Talk• Contributions 02:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You are not a nice person, Mr 8RR. SmoothFlow (talk) 02:41, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comments like that are not very nice. You don't know Orangemarlin or anything about him.  Edits like  are unhelpful and violate our neutral point of view policy&mdash;"Lots of fun" is not an appropriate comment.  Also, linking to individual departments isn't really a good idea, unless it's a really, really big one (for example, if half of the student body was in engineering and that was the focus of the school, linking to the school of engineering makes sense).  In, you copied and pasted that text directly from the source website.  That is plagiarism and not appropriate.  Any content you contribute needs to be in your own words and not derived directly from the source. --B (talk) 03:35, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * A lot nicer than all the F-words he uses. :) SmoothFlow (talk) 03:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Something like this isn't helpful either - listing each and every fraternity at the school is an indiscriminate collection of information. Also, please use the "show preview" button before making an edit so that you can make sure you have the formatting right.  Even if the list were a good idea to include in the article, the formatting was bad.  Every article on Wikipedia is visible immediately to readers so anything you submit needs to be readable "right now", not in an intermediate or development state. --B (talk) 03:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see Syracuse University fraternity and sorority system, which already lists all of the Greek organizations. (You may also want to read Content forking, which discusses the idea of having "child articles" of this kind.)  Listing all of them in the main Syracuse article too is redundant.  If you have an interest in the Greek system at SU, you may want to work on expanding Syracuse University fraternity and sorority system.  Right now, it's essentially just a list that doesn't really have any prose content.  If there are fraternities that have received awards or are well known outside of the school, adding that information to this sub-article would be a helpful endeavor.  (Remember, everything needs to be reliably sourced and for something to really be a meaningful concept, it should be something that somebody outside of Syracuse's school newspaper cares enough about to have written an article on it.) --B (talk) 04:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. Say - how do I post a Hello Kitty image on my face page? ;) SmoothFlow (talk) 04:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

←Oh oh. You're opening a big can of worms now. The starting place to read is Wikipedia's image use policy. Here's the short version - one of Wikipedia's missions is to produce free content, meaning, not just content that doesn't cost you any money, but content that can be copied and redistributed freely without copyright restrictions. Accordingly, except for the very narrow bounds of fair use, we do not accept copyrighted images. So the answer is, you cannot upload that image because it is copyrighted. At Wikimedia Commons, there are tons and tons of free images that you can use on your user page, or in articles as appropriate. For example, you might find a cat picture you like at Commons:Category:Kittens. Any image you find on Commons that you want is automatically available here using the same filename. Over to the right, I have added an image from Commons. You can view the source to see the code that you use to add an image to a page. --B (talk) 04:30, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Different subject. Homosexuals make up at least 10% of the population. The LGBT Resource Center made the news for its excellent performance. There are materials on other student organizations (every campus has a Hellenic Society, right?) so why choose them over the LGBT community?  This OrangeMarline ex-Cuse tells me to read the tenditious edit section -- it looks a lot like what I have been putting up with around here trying to work on this.  Besides, you helped me edit that.  What gives? (and no, I'm not a fourteen year old boy!) SmoothFlow (talk) 05:29, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * What news (outside of the Syracuse campus) did the LGBT make? If it meets the general notability criterion (multiple reliable sources, independent of the subject), then it should have its own article, which the main Syracuse article could link to.  Again, simply being written up in the Syracuse campus newspaper is NOT evidence of notability.  As for the percentage of the population that is homosexual, (1) according to Homosexuality, 2-7% is most often estimated, (2) the proportion of the US (or world) that is homosexual is not necessarily a predictor of the proportion of the Syracuse student body that is homosexual, (3) the number of homosexuals that exist doesn't tell us anything about how notable this particular organization is.  Regarding the disruptive editing section, I've tried to explain to you issues with your editing.  I'm very sorry if I misjudged and incorrectly assumed you were simply immature, but whatever the reason, your edits have not been of acceptable quality.  OrangeMarlin is doing his best to get Syracuse recognized as a featured article and your edits have not been very useful.  This doesn't mean that you aren't welcome here or that we don't understand that there is a learning curve, but it does mean that you need to work on improving the quality of your work.  I'm willing to help you with that any way I can.  Again, I apologize if I misjudged your age. --B (talk) 05:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, Mr. B - thank you for helping me to better understand all this. I understand the problem (I think) after talking it over with someone who does this a lot.  I think I'll stick to Face Book from now on, though, once school starts back.  I'm sure OrangeMarlin will be relived to hear that, huh?  Maybe he has learned something, too -- ya think?  It hurts when someone messes with something you care alot about, but we'll see.  XOXO SmoothFlow (talk) 14:38, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring at Syracuse University
in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for. You are welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text below. Per a complaint at WP:AN3. EdJohnston (talk) 05:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Syracuse U LGBT Centre
Hi, I have a long-ish response about this content at User talk:Benjiboi, FWIW. -- Banj e b oi   00:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi! Thank you SOOO much.  I think I understand this better now.  Keep up the good work, Benjiboi!!! ;)


 * I would leave a message on your page but I am 'blocked' :(   SmoothFlow (talk) 14:33, 9 January 2009 (UTC)