User talk:Smoovedogg

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Otis Redding
Just wanted to let you know that I've reverted your recent additions to the Otis Redding article because they were technically a copyright violation. The text you added was copied word-for-word from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame web site.

I noted that you did cite that web cite as your source in footnotes. So obviously you were not making any attempt to plagiarize (and thank you sincerely for that). However, just for your information, even with a footnote attribution, you still cannot copy the material word-for-word quite like that. You need to either rephrase the concepts in your own words and then cite with the footnotes like you did, OR. . . if you feel that retaining those exact words is important, then you would need to not only cite with footnotes, but also cite in the article text and use quotation marks. Something like:

"According to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame web site, Redding's name is 'synonymous with the term soul, music that arose out of the black experience in America through the transmutation of gospel and rhythm & blues into a form of funky, secular testifying.' "

Thanks. . . and happy editing! Mwelch 21:56, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Little Richard
Hello, please take a look at Little Richard's talk page and contribute your comments there, we are interested to hear what you have to say. Simply adding text which has been previously removed from the article and commenting on other users is not constructive. 2help (message me) 15:50, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

August 2009
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Please do not attack other editors as you did at Little Richard. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Your edit summary commentary is in violation of Wikipedia policy, is basically snarky and is not productive. They start out questionably and eventually cross the line. These summaries violate policy and the proper use of summaries, which in WP:Edit summary says "Avoid using edit summaries to carry on debates or negotiation over the content or to express opinions of the other users involved." Also please note that WP:ELNO specifically excludes the use of pages such as the MySpace tribute page you are pushing, in saying "Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject one should avoid: 10. Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace and Facebook),[2] chat or discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups), Twitter feeds, USENET newsgroups or e-mail lists." It doesn't matter how many music historians created a MySpace tribute page, it violates Wikipedia policy on External links. Wildhartlivie (talk) 18:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

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Mediation
Regards, MacMedtalk stalk 01:17, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. Aussie Ausborn (talk) 22:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input. There are disruptions from people who are not discussiong the proposed changes prior to doing so.  I have working on this section from the beginning and people are jumping in and removing things that are justified.--Smoovedogg (talk) 22:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Please note that edit warring usually results in at least a 1 to 2 week block or more depending on how much you guys were being silly on here. Just resolve the solution now, or a report may be sent in.(Zaxby (talk) 02:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC))


 * Thanks for your post on my talk page. I don't think informal mediation has any meaningful downside. In fact, by taking part in some form of dispute resolution, your far less likely to blocked. The other parties have signed up to these ground rules. Could you have a look at them, and tell me what you think? I'm obviously happy to clarify any items that you're not sure about. I guess the most important aspect is that my role as informal mediator is merely to assist the parties reaching consensus - I don't have any authority to impose a solution. PhilKnight (talk) 18:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Smoovedogg, following your recent post on The Source of Wiki Power's talk page, I should probably tell you that although it isn't apparent from looking at his page, he has been blocked indefinitely for conduct unrelated to the Little Richard article. Just to let you know in case he doesn't reply. PhilKnight (talk) 10:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this info. I only want participation from those who will be professional in his or her conduct and was hoping that would be the case if they were to continue to be involved.  As somewhat of a newcomers compared to many others, I wish I understood how to navigate through Wiki better because through examination of the talk pages(and histories where information has been 'deleted') of at least one other user, I am finding what appears to be 'unfair practice' occuring, on the part of at least one user who was 'on the other side of the fence' of the user who was recently blocked.  This practice has been trickling into the Little Richard page, riding the rails with the 'informal mediation effort, and possibly tainting the editorial process.--Smoovedogg (talk) 14:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

complaint
Are you aware of this Wikiquette alerts? If you are having problems with a user and have documented them, I might suggest you do something similar... Luminifer (talk) 20:24, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not familiar with wiki and how to lodge complaints, as I am fairly new. But I have been gathering evidence and will proceed with further action along with others who have similar complaints if people help me along with this.  Also if thee is a case for any legal action outside of Wiki, I will move forward with this as well.  I have focued a lot of time on improving the Little Richrd article to make it more accurate, but LR is lightning rod for controversy.  In the outset I went overboard by inserting too much information and agree that it was not very encyclopedic.  But I have been studying FAs and have been working within these parametres recently.  I have contributed accurate information to sections of the article that are standing the test of time and now the article is more accurate (eg. intro, influence section, and the start of the bio).  I remain committed to working on this and ensuring that I am entirely accurate with my references/citations, even if some of us have to contend with editors who are so narrow-minded that you could blind them in both eyes with the head of a pin.--Smoovedogg (talk) 22:36, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

By the way, LR has had enormous influence on a number of musical genres (R&B/Rock n Roll/Rock/Soul/Funk/Contemporary Christian) but when one tries to mention examples (with citations), there is great jealousy from some fans of other rock n roll pioneers who go wild and delete them. An example is that LR was a first major rock n roll influence to key artists, such as Otis Redding, Mick Jagger, David Bowie, Bob Seger and Angus Young from AC/DC (some of the biggest selling artists of the last century), but they are quickly deleted. Bob Seger, John Fogerty and Rod Stewart remain but whenever it indicates that LR was "a frist" major rock n roll inspiration it is removed and replaced with amoung the first major rock n roll influences. Some will fight tooth and nail to keep out any reference of the article to him having been the first to do anything.--Smoovedogg (talk) 22:36, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I responded to your post on the wiki alert. Notice how I posted the pieces of your conversation there. If you have more like this, I guess you can either attach it to the current complaint, or start a new one (if not now, in the future, assuming nothing comes of this)... Hope that helps.. Luminifer (talk) 01:15, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info Luminifer. I will appeal the below block.  It came sudden and without warning.  I was not aware of the rule regarding taking legal action if warranted.--Smoovedogg (talk) 07:30, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

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Can you please point to the WP:DIFF of the legal threat at issue and declare that you unequivocally withdraw the threat, i.e., that you do not intend to undertake legal action?  Sandstein  09:49, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ditto. Sandstein: I'm thinking it's this one. I, too, was trying to hunt it down. :P  But yeah, Smoovedogg: I came to say the same thing as Sandstein in reviewing the block.  Basically all we're looking for is something very explicitly saying that you are rescinding any/all outstanding legal threats made on Wikipedia. In reading your unblock request, it says that your future behavior regarding legal action will presumably adhere to our policies, but still doesn't account for any outstanding legal threats&mdash;only future ones. -- slakr  \ talk / 10:16, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It may be helpful to point out and link to exactly what policies this is at odds with - I personally am unaware of them, and it's likely this user is as well. Luminifer (talk) 12:44, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No legal threats. As detailed on that page, threatening to take legal action (or talking about investigating legal action) is grounds for an indefinite block for the duration of the proceedings, with the rationale that it would be extremely easy for libel disputes to dissolve into arguments over who has more lawyers if users could just threaten to sue each other. Not that any legal action in this case would have a leg to stand on. -- King Öomie 14:42, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Thank you for your questions and comments. Please be advised that I rescind any/all outstanding legal threats made on Wikipedia, and I reiterate that future behavior will adhere to Wiki policies regarding same. Thank you again for your prompt intervention.--Smoovedogg (talk) 18:35, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I remain committed to working to make articles more accurate and more encyclopedic. Unfortunately, there are some users who understand how to make articles more encyclopedic and are outstanding editors but are sorely lacking in knowledge of the topics that they are editing. Further, cliques of users (note: sometimes one editor is a number of users) that have worked together in the past will back each other and support users that edit articles without commenting and or responding to comments in a professional and open-minded manner. I am only contributing to articles pertaining to subjects with which I have expertise. I am also learning how to write FAs (I thank some users for giving me advice along the way) and am looking forward to continue to shape articles to become the best on the net. Wikipedia can be fun but challenging. I don't doubt that I have ruffled the feathers of some users being a new kid on the block with little knowledge of the many Wiki policies but I have recieved comments and other feedback that has encouraged me in my development as a Wiki editor and that there are others who feel the way I do as a new and developing user/editor. I thank everyone who reads this for taking time to do so, and please do your best to encourage new editors/users that show potential to become great Wiki editors.--Smoovedogg (talk) 18:35, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

FYI
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Little Richard
Hello Smoovedogg. I always like to say "you're welcome" when someone thanks me, but in this case, it was actually ClueBot that reverted the vandalism you speak of (at Little Richard), and not me. I appreciate the fact that you've taken time to thank another Wikipedian for good editing, but ClueBot deserves all the credit for that one... I was just the link-disambiguator. Happy editing, and good luck with your efforts at Little Richard. :) -- WikHead (talk) 21:34, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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Hendrix and Little Richard
Hello Smoovedogg. I've noticed that you keep re-adding back the incorrect info about Hendrix and Richard. Your sources for Jimi playing with Richard before the Isleys is 100% wrong. Every Hendrix source I own (35+ books) tells it differently. Also, while Richard deserves a untold amount of credit for influencing people, his stories about Hendrix have been roundly debunked by even Richard's own roadies and Hendrix himself. Players in Richard's band wore whatever Richard allowed (read told) them to wear, Hendrix did not start dressing like Richard out of mimickry, something Richard, by all accounts except his own, would not allow. Only Richard dressed fancy, period. Nobody in his side-band upstaged him or they were fired. GabeMc (talk 22:14, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Also, please try to keep in mind that the White source is an as told to account directly from Richard, making him the primary source for how influencial he is/was. Any source that has Jimi playing with Richard before the Isleys is making a chronological error that all the reliable sources on Hendrix that I own do not make. Are McDermott, Unterberger, Doggett, Black, Shadwick, Cross, Shapiro, Glebbeek, Roby and Schreiber all wrong? P.S. http://www.earlyhendrix.com/richard-menu-recordings is not a WP:RS, but what it actually says is: "Based on those listing Jimi only played on one Little Richard studio session, most likely recorded in New York City in early 1965." All http://rockhall.com/inductees/little-richard/timeline/ says is that Hendrix was "unknown" in 1964, when he played with Richard's backing-band, not that Hendrix's first recordings ever were with Richard, two very different things. Lastly, while I really want to WP:AGF, you appear to be riding the edge of pushing a pro-Richard POV, at Hendrix and elsewhere. Every Hendrix source I am aware of roundly disputes the White source which is again, a "story" told to White by Little Richard as much as it is an "historic account". GabeMc (talk 22:14, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

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Dupe links on Little Richard's article.
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Notfrompedro (talk) You have repeatedly vandalized the DMX page, in my opinion, as I asked you to explain how the source was deemed unacceptable. You have not provided such information. Could you not be blocked from editing?


 * I explained in every single edit summary. As did the other person who removed this content. WP:IBTIMES is NOT a WP:RS and this pseudo-scientific anonymous gossip is WP:UNDUE. Notfrompedro (talk) 14:50, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Notfrompedro (talk) How do you come to derive your assessment of the publication? I think the publication itself might have difficulty with it. It appears that you do not like the content of the article and are making a political statement by continuing to block and remove the insert. I am trying to remain professional. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Business_Times


 * WP:IBTIMES explains why the source isn't reliable. It is a consensus decision and not mine alone. Wikipedia works on consensus. Adding pseudo-scientific anonymous gossip is making a "political statement", not the act of removing it. Notfrompedro (talk) 15:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Notfrompedro (talk) I read through the WP:RS list of sources and their status as far as reliability is concerned. It is obvious that favor is weighted towards the Democratic/left-leaning sources.  I am not from the USA.  I am not Republican or Democrat.  I reside outside of the USA but, like many are on the outside looking in at the tumultuous state that the USA is in. Many outside of the USA do not trust news from the mainstream media.  Just because the majority of Wikipedia editors weighted things in favor of the Democratic news sources, does not necessarily mean that they are more reliable. This is partly why Wikipedia is continually criticized for not being a reliable, unbiased source for information on topics.


 * Your personal politics and views about "mainstream media" aren't relevant here. What is relevant is policy. WP:IBTIMES isn't reliable and adding an entire paragraph of gossip from an unnamed "family member" is undue weight. If it was notable or verifiable there would be reliable sources about it. There aren't. Pseudoscientific conspiracy theories don't belong in encyclopedia articles. Notfrompedro (talk) 19:56, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

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