User talk:Smsarmad/Archives/2008/April

Birthday poss vandalism
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March Calendar
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April Calendar
He changed march to april so I thought it might have been crafty vandalism

Police,Mad,Jack (talk · contribs) ☺ 19:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not "charged up" but thank you for your concern :) Police,Mad,Jack (talk · contribs) ☺ 20:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey bro
I am so sorry re the edit to Pervez Musharraf, I must have deleted it by accident without paying much attention (block highlight). My intent was to only remove the Meo Rajput point, as he is a known Syed as per the reference that was there. Please accept my heartfelt apology for this mistake, I am not into major blanking of pages lol. I am really shocked as to the changes myself as there are other edits? Unless I must have gone to an older edit perhaps....(very very confused myself...?!)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention bro--Rajput (talk) 09:49, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXV (March 2008)
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Thanky
Many thanks for the festive first edit day salutations! It's certainly nice to look back at my time here. Wishing you the best today and always, Dar-Ape 08:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You are welcome! and thanks for wishing me too! -- S M S  Talk 21:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the birthday message
Thanks, buddy! -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 22:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

BCAD
Hi! Will you be able to finish your BCAD range over the next few days, do you think? You don't have many left to do and we are looking to close the drive soon. All the best, -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 04:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the swift reply. It's only the A-list that needs finishing :) Good luck with your exams! -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 05:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * DDon't worry about it:) Thanks for letting me know. -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 05:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Request for Help, please
Greetings Smsarmad,

Nice to meet you.

Could you kindly help me translate these passages into the unique and honourable Urdu language? Please.


 * "The Sabbath day, the seventh day of the week (Saturday), is a Holy Day, blessed and sanctified by God. It is to be observed under the Lord's grace for the commemoration of God's creation and salvation and with the hope of eternal rest in the life to come".


 * "The Second Coming of Jesus will take place on the Last Day when He descends from heaven to judge the world: the righteous will receive eternal life, while the wicked will be eternally condemned".

Your help would be very Gratefully Appreciated, Thankyou very much. --G. Campbell (talk) 07:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Adminship message
Thanks, I'd forgotten about it before I got the messages today! J Milburn (talk) 21:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Benazir and Yusaf Raza Gilani
Dear, Sarmad kindly stop telling that i should be netural or so!!Well you see all the heads of state of Pakistan and its leaders have their actual Muslim sects Mentioned clearly so why should i mentioned the truth about these two leaders!!?Well now this is double standard,they are Shia-Muslims and no one can deny the fact,but it just you people who think it shouldn't be written there!!Well i believe it should be!!After all there is nothing non-netural in it,it just because you dont believe that they are Shia's so it doesnt mean they are'nt,so i would agian request you not to present me with your your own baseless idea of the artical being netural.As far as you know i would like to inform you that we have family terms with Yousaf Raza Gilani and we know that he is a strong Shia,his wife and daughter often visits our Grandmom's home in Multan during the Muharram!!so please stop it!!As far it about Benazir i dont need to prove that she was a Shi'a!! Paki90 (talk) 17:30, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Source
http://faroutliers.wordpress.com/2006/10/13/pakistans-transition-from-shia-to-sunni-leadership

Pakistan’s Transition from Shia to Sunni Leadership Jump to Comments

Pakistan’s founder, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, was an Ismaili by birth and a Twelver Shia by confession, though not a religiously observant man. He had studied at the Inns of Court in London and was better versed in English law than in Shia jurisprudence, was never seen at an Ashoura procession, and favored a wardrobe that often smacked as much of Savile Row as of South Asia. Yet insofar as he was Muslim and a spokesman for Muslim nationalism, it was as a Shia. His coreligionists played an important role in his movement, and over the years many of Pakistan’s leaders were Shias, including one the country’s first governor-generals, three of its first prime ministers, two of its military leaders (Generals Iskandar Mirza and Yahya Khan), and many other of its leading public officials, landowners, industrialists, artists, and intellectuals. Two later prime ministers, the ill-fated Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and his Radcliffe-educated, currently exiled daughter, Benazir Bhutto, were also Shia. Feeling the wind shift in the 1990s, Benazir styled herself a Sunni, but her Iranian mother, her husband from a big Shia landowning family, and her father’s name, the name of Ali’s twin-bladed sword, make her Shia roots quite visible. In a way, Benazir’s self-reinvention as a Sunni tells the tale of how secular nationalism’s once solid-seeming promise has given way like a rotten plank beneath the feet of contemporary Pakistan’s beleaguered Shia minority.

Benazir’s father came from a family of large Shia landowners who could afford to send him for schooling to the University of California at Berkeley and to Oxford. He cut a dashing figure. Ambitious, intelligent, and secular, he was a brilliant speaker, with the ability, it is said, to make a crowd of a million people dance and then cry. His oratory manipulated public emotion as the best of Shia preachers could, and his call for social justice resonated with Shia values. His party’s flag conveniently displayed the colors of Shiism: black, red, and green. Although he never openly flaunted his Shia background, he commanded the loyalty of Pakistan’s Shia multitudes, around a fifth of the population. What he lacked in the area of regular religious observance he made up for with his zeal for Sufi saints and shrines, especially that of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar, the widely popular Sufi saint of Shia extraction whose tomb is a major shrine in southern Pakistan.

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto’s years in power (1971–77) marked the pinnacle of Shia power in Pakistan and the high point of the promise of an inclusive Muslim nationalism. But the country that Jinnah built and Bhutto ruled had over time become increasingly Sunni in its self-perception. The Sunni identity that was sweeping Pakistan was not of the irenic Sufi kind, moreover, but of a strident and intolerant brand. Bhutto’s Shia-supported mix of secularism and populism—sullied by corruption and his ruthless authoritarianism—fell to a military coup led by pious Sunni generals under the influence of hard-eyed Sunni fundamentalists. In April 1979, the state hanged Bhutto on questionable murder charges. A Sunni general, Muhammad Zia ul-Haq, strongly backed by Sunni fundamentalist parties, personally ordered that the death sentence be carried out, even after Pakistan’s highest court recommended commutation to life imprisonment.

The coup of 1977 ended the Pakistani experiment with inclusive Muslim nationalism. Shia politicians, generals, and business leaders remained on the scene, but a steadily “Islamizing” (read “Sunnifying”) Pakistan came to look more and more like the Arab world, with Sunnis on top and Shias gradually pushed out. Pakistan in many regards captures the essence of the political challenge that the Shia have faced. The promise of the modern state has eluded them as secular nationalism has been colonized from within by Sunni hegemony.

SOURCE: The Shia Revival: How Conflicts Within Islam Will Shape the Future, by Vali Nasr (W. W. Norton, 2006), pp. 88-90

This is the most authentic source i can give you!!so please stop clearing my edits!! Paki90 (talk) 18:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Who are you?
who are you, who told me not to edite at wikipedia. you are vandalizing the true information from Baloch Liberation Army page. if you do it again you will be blocked from editing at wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karojaro (talk • contribs) 19:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Read it in good faith.
Dont abuse Baloch nation, i mean not write Dravadian for Brahui speaking Balochs. Brahui is a language spoken only by Baloch people and Brahui is not a race as presumed by some people or anti Baloch pakistanis.Video links are important to show what BLA is, who the are ther actions and so on. And dont teach me to give video links in wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karojaro (talk • contribs) 20:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Open your eyes!
BLA is not a tribal organization it is a national organization of Baloch people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karojaro (talk • contribs) 20:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Defense of a stranger is a noble act, beloved of Muslim and Christian alike
Shukriya! -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

listen
All people are equal to each other be it Baloch or Pakistani, so we must not vandalize the true factsKarojaro (talk) 20:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Be civilized Mr.Sarmad
Dont abuse! dont tell others of being "civil" first be civilized then give lessons to others.Karojaro (talk) 20:30, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

very nice
if you understand my reasoning then i must had videos links! you said there is no need of video links, so tell me then: there is no need for typing the letters at all.Karojaro (talk) 20:38, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

again
i have not violeted in rule of wikipedia, dont teach me. You, only you must abide the rules of wikipedia.Karojaro (talk) 20:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

to sarmad and other editors!
listen sarmad dont talk like "challanging me". People can give links as sources to give some in depth that what really the issue is. By giving some video links it is not braking any rule. to mr.sarmad do what ever you want to do!Karojaro (talk) 20:50, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

to sarmad
i am not harsh, i just want to gave facts just. but remember do not oppose the opanions of other people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karojaro (talk • contribs) 21:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Washington Post
It is not reliable at all. Check this article by our enemy nation:http://hindustaniat.blogspot.com/2008/01/will-shia-benazirs-legacy-survive-in.html Well Abida Hussain herself is belonging to Fedual Shia Landowner Family of Jhang.For your Kind info that is a Publicity stunt declareing her a Sunni!!When she arrived in Pakistan she had Ali Madad written on her right hand,see that video yourself and kindly do check her speeches in Which she Chanted Naraay-e-Haideri many times,no sunni does this.Her own husband is a Strong Shia landowner of Nawabshah. Washington post is not at all a reliable source,and by the way that article is a part of a book written and published by VALI NASIR he is well renowned Pakistani writer and no one can be more authentic then him and after all he has published and entire book about it how could it be a lie!!So you kindly stop doing this re-editing.Otherwise i will also complain to the Wikipedia Admin that you too should be block from editing because you are senselessly editing my edits!stop it!!It seems you hate Shia's alot and dont want face the actual reality!!Stop it now,stop this hate! Paki90 (talk) 18:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Nav bar
Hey, when are you going to finish this? Parts of it still link to my userspace...-MBK004 02:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You're go to remove it, it looks so different than mine that I would never know of the pedigree if I wasn't consulted. -MBK004 04:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

why did you tell on me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.159.220.124 (talk) 17:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

deletion of test talk pages
Hi, you seem to be under the mistaken impression that talk pages created as a test cannot be speedily deleted. That is not true. The G8 criteria, like all "G" criteria are "General" and applies to anything.

While it is true that it is not as important to delete talk pages, as it is to delete articles, there is still benefit from deleting them. Having a red discussion tab allows users to know that nothing has been said, and they don't have to waste a click (or two if they also check the history to make sure that a real talk page hasn't been blanked as vandalism) to see what has been said on the page. Jon513 (talk) 08:08, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Help in Regex
Hello! I want a little help in writing a regex for finding a section heading(e.g. ==External links== ). Now at least there can be four possibilities of a section heading
 * 1) ==External links==
 * 2) == External links==
 * 3) ==External links ==
 * 4) == External links ==

a simple regex like "\=\=External links\=\=" can't find all the above, so I tried "\=\=(\s|\S)External links(\s|\S)\=\=", but it didn't work. Can you help please! -- S M S  Talk 17:18, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * \s is a whitespace character. = has no regex value.

==[\s]?External [Ll]ink[s]?[\s]?==

or

==\s?External [Ll]ink[s]?\s?==

or

== ?External [Ll]ink[s]? ?==

Try that. Also takes account for capitalisation of the L. — Ree dy  18:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of companies of Pakistan (2nd_nomination)
Hi since you commented on the previous Afd you might be interested that I have re-opened the Afd. Bp E ps - t @  lk 21:10, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello
Actually I am not removing anything. A user crossed out poll results because he did not like them and that's what I reverted. Also I added reasons on my poll. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.210.156 (talk) 16:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for supporting me, Smsarmad. This issue has been contentious, and I did cross out the poll he provided. I did this not because I didn't like the results, but because the poll was worded so as to be a push-poll, which would likely skew the results. The poll I have provided has precedent in the talk page and is neutral as to the outcome. Reasons should not be added at the poll--the voter should come to the poll already informed by the massive amounts of discussion on the issue in the current thread and in archived threads. Thanks again, Smsarmad. Carl.bunderson (talk) 16:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * If you'll notice, I made an effort to restore his comments, and he has just deleted my reply to the last thing I said, after you have given him two clear warnings about this. Carl.bunderson (talk) 17:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I have restored all of Carl.bunderson's comments. Also I have changed the wording of the poll to his liking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.210.156 (talk) 17:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Here is where he deleted my comments after your warnings: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAfghanistan&diff=206283222&oldid=206281210. Carl.bunderson (talk) 17:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * He again deleted my comments in blind reversion, after I have made an effort to restore his comments in good faith: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAfghanistan&diff=206438047&oldid=206285937

His IP has changed? Do you know if there is a way to get the IP range blocked? The should be on a level 4 warning now, I think, which will justify a block. Thanks. Carl.bunderson (talk) 14:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:RFBOT
Your recent bot approvals request has been approved. Please see the request page for details. SQL Query me! 21:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- S M S  Talk 19:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Protection
Done, I'm not a CU, so you'd need to flag one of them to change the autoblock to a full block.  MBisanz  talk 20:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. -- S M S  Talk 20:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

edit war white flight
Please read article discussion board. Consensus was not reached regarding "crime ridden". Please refrain from unwarranted warnings and accusation. It smacks of bitty-ness Thank you. Snottythetroll (talk) 19:16, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Snottythetroll
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia.

User_talk:Snottythetroll
I noticed the message you recently left to. Please remember to try not to bite the newcomers. If you see someone make a common mistake, try to politely point out what they did wrong and how to correct it.

Reply
Thanks, I'll take a look.--RyRy5 (talk ) 23:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Ping!
User talk:Roger Davies -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 09:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for wishing me a happy first edit day! ♥Shapiros10 Wuz Here ♥ 20:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My pleasure! -- S M S  Talk 19:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for wishing me a happy first edit day, and thanks to the Birthday Committee too!  Acs 4b T C U 11:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you from me as well. Three years and counting. Woo Hoo! NoSeptember 13:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

News! Tag & Assess 2008 is coming ...
Milhist's new drive – Tag & Assess 2008 – goes live on April 25 and you are cordially invited to participate. This time, the task is housekeeping. As ever, there are awards galore, plus there's a bit of friendly competition built-in, with a race for bronze, silver and gold wikis! You can sign up, in advance, here. I look forward to seeing you on the drive page! All the best, -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 13:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)




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Socks
Add an entry for me in Suspected sock puppets. If you don't do so, I'll have to remove your defamatory, baseless accusation. --AI009 (talk) 02:38, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

User:AI009
Ah, I had a feeling he was a sockpuppet. Seems you have beaten me in reporting him. --→ Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 21:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't be surprised to know that account was created by you guys to gain moral high ground. Sick. --AI009 (talk) 02:58, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Camaron
Thanks for taking care of some unexpected editors of my user page. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:09, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You are welcome! -- S M S  Talk 16:24, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

FFR
Thanks for both your messages. I'm sorry I haven't replied sooner but I was hoping to find time to reply in real detail again. What the article now needs is a thorough third-party review. You can get this two ways: either by requesting a peer review or by applying for GA. If you go for GA, much will depend on the quality of the reviewer. A really good GA reviewer will help you improve the article considerably, while giving you much useful advice. If you go down the peer review route instead, which I suggest you do before going for A-class, you again need good reviewers. Very competent people to approach for either GA or Peer Review are, , , or. They are all busy so you may have to wait. If you get nowhere, leave me a message and I'll see what I can do. Again, sorry for the discourtesy and very good luck, -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 11:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You can "disturb" me as often as you like. It's always a pleasure talking to you :) The responses may be a little slow at times but I do try to get there eventually, -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 11:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * If you can get one of the above editors to review, go formally for GA. They'll all do an excellent job. -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 11:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Remove an unnecessary redirection site
How can I or could you please remove the site with the redirection from "Sensible world of soccer" (small letters) to "Sensible World of Soccer" for cosmetic reasons, it's needless anyway!? - Thank you (Redhair23 (talk) 16:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC))

Re GA review request for Frontier Force Regiment.
Hi, and thanks for the note. I'll be happy to do your GA review as soon as I have some free time, which won't be before the weekend or early next week. I noticed you haven't yet nominated it for GA - to do this, you'll need to list it on the WP:GAN page at the bottom of the correct section (History -> War and military) and add a talk-page template to the article. There are instructions at the top of the WP:GAN page if you haven't done this before, or drop me a note if you want a hand with the nom.

It may also be helpful to have a quick read through Guide for nominating good articles before the nomination, as it often helps to avoid some of the more common problems we see at GA - although I haven't read your article yet, so I don't know how useful the guide is likely to be! Any questions etc, please get in touch ;) All the best, EyeSerene talk 20:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I've had a quick read-through. I don't think GA is impossible, but a fair amount of work is needed (possibly more than would be justified by a GA hold). Most significantly, the article needs copyediting for prose and grammar, and there are a few MoS issues and referencing gaps. I'm also not convinced by the copyright licenses on some of the images where you have them tagged as 'self-made', but it looks like they've been cropped from paintings or photos (so they need to be attributed to the original source). If you'd rather, I can copyedit the article and we can work on the other things... but then I wouldn't be able to GA review as it would be a conflict of interest. There's no need to make a quick decision though - like I said, I won't be able to do much before next week anyway. Think it over, and let me know what you want to do. Regards, EyeSerene talk 21:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyright of a scanned image
What is the copyright status of an image which is uploaded after being scanned from a booklet. And the booklet holds no where any claim of copyright. I have added these images with a PD-self tag. Can anyone please guide me? -- S M S  Talk 03:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Simply scanning something in does not create a new copyright; the copyright, if there is any, is still fully held by the original author. Just because there is no copyright notice doesn't mean it's public domain; copyright is automatic and doesn't require a notice. Could you tag the images with their original creation date and original source? --Rat at WikiFur (talk) 03:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * How can I know who the author is or who holds it's copyright. Let me give some details, I am talking of these images: Image:Piffer Center.JPG and Image:Piffers War Memorial.JPG, which I took from an official booklet of Frontier Force Regiment. So can you please guide me what to tag to these images. Thanks! -- S M S  Talk 16:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Was there an image credit, copyright notice, or publication date on the booklet? --Rat at WikiFur (talk) 18:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, there are no image credit, copyright notice nor even the publication date. It is an official booklet with two messages in start from the commanders of Frontier Force Regiment with their signatures at the end dated September 6 2002. At the inner side of the back cover it is mentioned
 * "Our gratitude to Lieutenant Colonel Agha Masood Akram (1 FF and 15 FF) for his contribution in compilation of this booklet."
 * -- S M S  Talk 19:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't have any reason to believe it would be public domain then. Your options are WP:COPYREQ, claim fair use, or let them get deleted. --Rat at WikiFur (talk) 19:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If the booklet is a work of the Pakistan government, then its copyright lasts for 50 years after publication, and so not in the public domain until then. GreenReaper (talk) 20:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can say that the work is of Pakistan Government, as this booklet is given by Pakistan Army. How can fair use be claimed here(if possible). (if not)So now what should I do? should I tag these images with CSD:G7(or anyother criteria) or should I wait for getting permission for using these images here? -- S M S  Talk 20:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:Jinnah with Piffers.JPG is fine. As for the other two, unless the structures pictured are no longer standing, or not open to the public, you would not be able to claim fair use, because you could take a new picture and put it under a free license. The only other options left would be WP:COPYREQ or deletion. --Rat at WikiFur (talk) 20:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think for now deletion may be the appropriate option until I get a WP:COPYREQ. Thanks for guiding me on the issue of Media Copyrights here at Wiki! -- S M S  Talk 20:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)