User talk:Smykytyn

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Ian Fleming
Please note, person data is now defunct, as per WP:PDT. -- Cassianto Talk   17:38, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I came here to say the same thing. Please remove it when you see it. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:08, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm fine with Persondata being defunct - but not having an infobox in its place makes it difficult for machine readers. Evets359 (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Composers
You left a message regarding infoboxes for composers. For an explanation see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Composers and below. I have been restricted by the arbitration committee for adding infoboxes to composers, DYK? (I guess, they didn't exactly tell me why.) Editors have left Wikipedia because of the (archived) discussion on Bach. Try to edit that page for a typical warning EDITORIAL NOTICE. However, Beethoven and Handel seem at peace ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I saw all the previous kerfuffle - just wanted to provide some objective statistics to inform the discussion. Musical composers stick out like a sore thumb! Evets359 (talk) 22:59, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeed they do - but please don't be mislead by bogus clams that "It has... been established that 'machine scanability' is not a relevant criterion for Wikipedia or for individual articles". Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:19, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the stats. - You mean you saw all of a 2010 resolution not to have infoboxes in composers' biographies, leading to a massive removal of existing ones? Did you know that Laurence Olivier had an infobox for 8 years, until those who made it a FA felt they had the right to remove it, December 2014? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for these statistics. They confirm that articles about composers are exceptional (for better or worse) among biographical articles. Can you tell us something about the machine-readability project you are working on? Who is sponsoring it, and what is your role in the project? This information would definitely contribute to the debate which will undoubtedly ensue (we love arguing about infoboxes at our project). Thanks, --Ravpapa (talk) 07:52, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

It's a personal project at the moment, for iOS, that consists of a collector app and several user apps that use the collected data and would be of interest to history buffs and students. The collector app on iPhone or iPad presents a browser interface to Wikipedia, and collects information from a page the user visits when it recognizes it as a person. The collector app can auto scan predecessors and successors for political offices and so on. The user apps utilize the collector data to display emergent properties, e.g. who was alive on a particular date, about the relations of persons to each other. I originally used Persondata to detect persons, then added Infobox when I found out Persondata was recently deprecated. Will probably eventually switch to Wikidata to avoid the difficulty of page renames. The back end store is essentially a collection of infoboxes in the cloud. I would like to have at least a couple of the apps on the store publicly available by November 2015. It's been kind of tough to learn how to navigate Wikipedia, in particular learning how to interact with other people - even things as simple as Talk pages are not obvious to new users.Evets359 (talk) 15:13, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Don't rely too much on those statistics. Although they were collected before I ever knew anything about the musical composer specialness, they simply reflect one person's interests, and would not be very complete except with regards to American high political offices. One side note: some Mormon leaders are also difficult to read, because they have some kind of special treatment where they use multiple infoboxes using some kind of template. Different intent, same effect on machine readability.Evets359 (talk) 15:13, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Johann Sebastian Bach has an infobox now?
As an outsider, it's very difficult to follow what happens on these contested pages. Can anyone explain how/why there is an infobox on this page now? I saw it go on, come back off, etc. Just seems weird to someone not in this world.